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Northernguy59
04-04-2003, 08:33 AM
Friday, April 04, 2003

NEAR BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. troops found thousands of boxes of white powder, nerve agent antidote and Arabic documents on how to engage in chemical warfare at an industrial site south of Baghdad, a U.S. officer said Friday.

Col. John Peabody, engineer brigade commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, said the materials were found Friday at the Latifiyah industrial complex 25 miles south of Baghdad.

"It is clearly a suspicious site," Peabody said.

Peabody said troops found thousands of boxes, each of which contained three vials of white powder, together with documents written in Arabic that dealt with how to engage in chemical warfare.

He also said they discovered atropine, used to counter the effects of nerve agents.

The facility had been identified by the International Atomic Energy Agency as a suspected chemical, biological and nuclear weapons site. U.N. inspectors visited the plant at least a dozen times, including as recently as Feb. 18.

The facility is part of a larger complex known as the Latifiyah Explosives and Ammunition Plant al Qa Qaa.

During the 1991 Gulf War, U.S. jets bombed the plant.

On April 1, Iraqi Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan, in a statement on Iraqi television, repeated Baghdad's position that it had no weapons on mass destruction. Referring to reports that gas masks and other chemical gear had been found elsewhere in the country, he said the coalition might plant weapons of mass destruction to implicate Iraq.

"Let me say one more time that Iraq is free of weapons of mass destruction," he said.

"The aggressors may themselves intend to bring those materials to plant them here and say those are weapons of mass destruction," he said.

Im sure some folks would think this is Aunt Jamima pancake mix so the Irai soilders could have breakfast ready for our boys !

High C
04-04-2003, 08:40 AM
N'ah, it's probably just crack cocaine. They said they destroyed all the bad stuff. ;)

Chris Coose
04-04-2003, 08:42 AM
So tell me exactly what chemical weapons have been found?

Northernguy59
04-04-2003, 08:44 AM
Stay tuned..........

Mr. Know It All
04-04-2003, 08:47 AM
Northernguy.......Have you noticed a missing thread? The "we were wrong" thread from yesterday. This is almost too good. :D Looks like some people (Peter comes to mind) are going to be eating crow for breakfast. :eek:

Mrleft8
04-04-2003, 08:50 AM
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So tell me exactly what chemical weapons have been found?
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White powder! Can't you read? White powder is KNOWN to be deadly! White powder also ONLY affects humans. There are no agricultural uses, or benign chemical reasons for having White powder! :D

Northernguy59
04-04-2003, 08:50 AM
I was just striving inform my fellow forumites....... smile.gif

LeeG
04-04-2003, 08:59 AM
Northern,,,was this tongue in cheek or a confusion between antidotes and poisons,atropine is not a poison. Either way WOMD is a ruse. You're wasting your time. Chemicals don't kill people,,people kill people. Add up the unexploded cluster bomblets all around the world and look at that WOMD. Gotta tell you guys this focus on WOMD is a bother,,,we got these weapons, we didn't use them, didn't prevent SH from using them like a lot of other genocides we can't prevent. We aren't there because of WOMD. Put together enough MLRS, 155mm shells with submunitions,and the slew of stuff dropped from the air that distributes anti personel or antimaterial bomblets and you got a time release WOMD. Maybe next year the new and improved self destructing bomblets will appear but in the mean time,,,WOMD is the fear word of the decade like killer weed. Demonize the thing,,use the thing confuse the thing.

Northernguy59
04-04-2003, 09:06 AM
As reported from the Associated Press this morning. Like everything we should weigh the information and draw our own conclusions. I've drawn mine.

[ 04-04-2003, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: Northernguy59 ]

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-04-2003, 09:17 AM
Just heard it on BBC radio. AP and the BBC are good enough for me, but I wonder what the "white powder" will turn out to be?

Northernguy59
04-04-2003, 09:31 AM
I just heard an ex UN inspector and he said that it is more than likely VX Nerve.

Bad stuff.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-04-2003, 09:33 AM
That's the stuff which gets through your skin, as I recall. One droplet on your hand will kill you.

R.I.Singer30
04-04-2003, 10:18 AM
Darryl, Darryl..Darryl....

John Bell
04-04-2003, 10:23 AM
Just a reminder: we do not yet know these are in fact chemical weapons. It's to early for a definitive "I told you so."

That being said, I'm confident they will be found in due time. How else to explain Iraqi troops carrying atropine and Cipro?

I'm also confident that there will be no shortage of people who will accuse the US of planting them.

Ken Hall
04-04-2003, 10:47 AM
A more recent report suggests that the vials may contain some sort of explosive, but the facility is very large and they've only begun to search.

The link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=514&e=3&cid=514&u=/ap/20030404/ap_on_re_mi_ea/war_iraq_chemical)


NEAR BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. troops found thousands of boxes of suspicious white powder, nerve agent antidote and Arabic documents on how to engage in chemical warfare south of Baghdad. But a senior U.S. official familiar with initial testing said the materials were believed to be explosives.Nobody really knows yet...but this bears watching.

[ 04-04-2003, 10:49 AM: Message edited by: Ken Hall ]

Northernguy59
04-04-2003, 10:49 AM
Im all ears to know the truth behind the story I posted.

Northernguy59
04-04-2003, 11:17 AM
UPDATE....... No chemical weapons. Report said it was just a chenical weapon training sight.

John Bell
04-04-2003, 11:22 AM
Northernguy: They did find a training site in the western desert. The site with the vials was the Latifiyah Explosives and Ammunition Plant al Qa Qaa, in suburban Baghdad. Reports I've seen this morning say the vials were just explosives, but they are still searching the site.

Scott Rosen
04-04-2003, 11:31 AM
John, those vials contain chemical toxins for WMD.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/895185.asp?0bl=-0

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-04-2003, 11:38 AM
Scott, that report concerns the Ansar al-Islam, whose links to Al-Qaeda are known and whose "spiritual leader" Mullah Krekar, has just been released from custody by the Norwegian Court of Appeals, in one of those cuddly little gestures (when their own vital interests are not at stake!) that make the modern Vikings so remarkably irritating!

Their members are probably not even Iraqis, but the story links to ricin finds in Paris and London.

PatCox
04-04-2003, 11:38 AM
Scott, read closely; the report of thousands of vials of white powder is very recent, this morning, from an industrial building on the outskirts of baghdad, and those vials seem to contain explosives.

The traces of ricin were found in the kurdish autonomous region in northern Iraq in a camp belonging to a sect of muslim fundamentalists which has no conection with the baath party, and they found "traces," not vials. Thats in an area not controlled by Hussein.

Scott Rosen
04-04-2003, 11:43 AM
I know where the vials were found. I know there is a different situation developing in the South, with no results to report yet.

I thought the terror camp was located in the North, close to the Iranian border, but South of Kurdish controlled areas. From what I can tell, the terror camp was behind Iraqi lines until very recently. Pat, are you sure it wasn't in an Iraqi-controlled area?

Scott Rosen
04-04-2003, 11:49 AM
Oops. I now see how my first post was confusing. I thought the white power found in the South was not in vials, but in boxes.

WTB
04-04-2003, 11:56 AM
Pat:

What is the source of your information that:
"...has no conection with the baath party"?

Ian McColgin
04-04-2003, 12:06 PM
The news reports I read pointed out that they disavow the Baath and visa versa. There's no real controversy about that.

The fact that they both hate us does not make them buddies, in this case. Both would like to see the other inflict damage on us, but each would slit the other's throat in a heartbeat.

WTB
04-04-2003, 12:15 PM
Thanks.

Northernguy59
04-04-2003, 12:34 PM
MSNBC.COM’S TESTS were conducted over a two-day period at Sargat, an alleged terrorist training camp a mile from the Iraq-Iran border. The camp, set back in an isolated valley and surrounded by snowcapped peaks, was home to the radical Islamic militant group Ansar al-Islam, which counts among its some 700 followers scores of al-Qaida fighters.
In a Feb. 5 speech to the U.N. Security Council, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell showed a satellite photo of the Sargat camp and described Ansar al-Islam as “teaching its operatives how to produce ricin and other poisons.” U.S. officials have repeated the allegations in recent weeks.
In an operation timed to coincide with the war on Iraq, U.S. special operations forces have targeted Ansar al-Islam’s militants in northern Iraq. Hundreds of Islamists, including al-Qaida fighters who took refuge in northern Iraq after the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan, have been killed.
Although U.S. officials for months have leveled charges that the Ansar al-Islam and al-Qaida militants were producing poisons in northern Iraq, it wasn’t until this week that specialist American teams were able to gain access to the Sargat camp to test for traces of biological and chemical weapons.
Experts believe the Islamic group was producing the substances in the camp as both toxins can be created from everyday products and simple procedures.

Nicholas Carey
04-04-2003, 02:54 PM
Yeah. That was funny this AM.

The US press is reporting boxes of white powder, nerve gas antidotes and 'instructions in Arabic on how to wage chemical and bio war'.

The BBC at the same time was reporting boxes of white powder, nerve gas antidotes and protective suits and 'instructions in Arabic on how to defend oneself against a chemical or bio attack.'

Two slightly different things.

Omigawd!

White power... :eek: Oh no, not...white power!

That stuff could be dangerous.

I'd better get rid of my stocks of sugar and flour. Not to mention the borax, microballoons, fumed silica, chalk, ground limestone, ... before John Ashcroft finds out.

Meerkat
04-04-2003, 03:11 PM
WHITE POWDER!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!

Better pull all the powdered sugar out of the grocery stores! Watch out for those sugar dusted terrorist doughnuts!

Funny the ones calling for restraint and "wait and see" are the same people that are being called anties by the people that are running around wringing their hands and flipping their aprons over their heads :D Some people get their kicks out of sensationalizing anything.

paladin
04-04-2003, 03:20 PM
Locally, A CIA spokesperson has "Warned" the "news" media and other "agents" about the gross misreporting of the weapons found (grossly overstated on tv and the German and other stuff was really old material) and the fact that antidotes for the various nerve agents/toxins have been found....BUT NO REAL NERVE AGENTS. But then again, the coalition forces are carrying the same stuff (protective suits and antidotes).

WWheeler
04-04-2003, 03:23 PM
UMM. we've now passed the dreaded "red line" around Baghdad, at which point the Iraqis were supposed to be start firing off the chemical weapons.

[ 04-04-2003, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: WWheeler ]

Dutch Rub
04-04-2003, 03:51 PM
I wont believe anything about this war until I read about it in the history books in 10 or 15 years. And then Ill be taking into account what the writer is trying to prove.

Shang
04-04-2003, 04:08 PM
Fellow I know got found with some white powder on him...
...should be getting out April after next.

Scott Rosen
04-04-2003, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by WWheeler:
UMM. we've now passed the dreaded "red line" around Baghdad, at which point the Iraqis were supposed to be start firing off the chemical weapons.You're not disappointed, are you?

Bruce Taylor
04-04-2003, 05:09 PM
That being said, I'm confident they will be found in due time. How else to explain Iraqi troops carrying atropine and Cipro?I'm sure nasty weapons will turn up. However, both atropine and cipro can be found in any decent medical kit. Your local hospital will be well stocked with both, I trust.

Atropine is an antispasmodic and anticholinergic, used in the treatment of heart conditions, Parkinsonism and exposure to certain toxins (I think it's used to block certain common muscarinic toxins, like those found in Amanita mushrooms).

Cipro is just an antibiotic. I have some in my own medicine cabinet.

[ 04-04-2003, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: Bruce Taylor ]

Scott Rosen
04-04-2003, 05:12 PM
Just a thought . . . what if we don't find WMD or Saddam?

Eek.

Chris Coose
04-04-2003, 05:19 PM
Scott, I've been figuring this to be the case all along. You don't think old Saddam got to be such an evil world leader on his good looks alone?

They will simply play us a new tune from DC and we'll all dance along to the wonderfulness of it all.

mmd
04-04-2003, 05:22 PM
Scott, not trying to raise the rabble, but I think that a lot of people outside of the US believe that your country would look upon that eventuality as reason to broaden the war into other countries of the Middle East, thereby dragging us inexorably closer to WWIII. Let us hope that we all are proven wrong on that count.

(Edited for dyslexic fingers)

[ 04-04-2003, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: mmd ]

LeeG
04-04-2003, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by Scott Rosen:
Just a thought . . . what if we don't find WMD or Saddam?

Eek.The plan would still be a success like Afghanistan. We will have scared the crap out of our allies, made private sponsors of terrorism re-group and sharpen their skills, and for those countries that are on the edge of nuclear weaponry they will double their efforts to have the bomb like NorthKorea. And resources for the "war on ..." will be shifted to more covert operations and spooks. Personalizing the threat of terrorism for our good guys to kill will increase. And the conditions that made terrorism possible will be ignored as it's "their problem".

Jim H
04-04-2003, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by LeeG:
The plan would still be a success like Afghanistan. We will have scared the crap out of our allies, made private sponsors of terrorism re-group and sharpen their skillsLee, what do you think we should have done about obl & al-qaeda?

Jim H
04-04-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Bruce Taylor:

Atropine is an antispasmodic and anticholinergic, used in the treatment of heart conditions, Parkinsonism and exposure to certain toxins (I think it's used to block certain common muscarinic toxins, like those found in Amanita mushrooms).

Cipro is just an antibiotic. I have some in my own medicine cabinet.Bruce, an honest question: do your medical facilities have atropine in pre-dosed auto-injection pens?

Is Cipro the only antibiotic used to treat Anthrax?

Oyvind Snibsoer
04-04-2003, 06:11 PM
I think you'll also find that atropine ampines and gas masks are standard issuses in most NATO armed forces. That doesn't mean they all have nerve agents for offensive use.

Meerkat
04-04-2003, 06:16 PM
Medicines at a hospital - damn, what will they think of next!?

It has occurred to me that the Iraqis might believe (have been led to believe) the US capable of using chemical and biological weapons upon them - and where better a place then a hospital to have the antidotes?

There is also the matter of the Iranians - they used gas during the Iran/Iraq war too.

The most remarkable thing about all this is the degree of sensationalism surrounding finding something not unexpected in a not unexpected place - unless you truly do believe the sky is falling.

[ 04-04-2003, 06:18 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

LeeG
04-04-2003, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by JimHillman:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LeeG:
The plan would still be a success like Afghanistan. We will have scared the crap out of our allies, made private sponsors of terrorism re-group and sharpen their skillsLee, what do you think we should have done about obl & al-qaeda?</font>[/QUOTE]I think the rout of the Taliban and Al Queda was marvelous. I didn't know know much about them before 9/11 and don't hear much about them now. I wonder how Mushareff and the madrassas on the western regions is doing these days. I wonder how militant islam is going to move next. I wonder if the chemical and bio weapons incineration plant will be built in one of the former soviet countries to deal with their old stocks, same in the US. I wonder if Iran has some of the scientists or materials that were working in Russia. How about you? I'm still wondering if $10 Billion in covert operations and good old getting along with allies would yield a more cost effective way of attacking terrorism than occupation as a means for dealing with 21st century middle east.

Bruce Taylor
04-04-2003, 06:24 PM
Jim, I don't know what forms of atropine the local hospital keeps on hand. My wife Maggie is in the ER tonight...when she calls, later, I'll try to remember to ask.

I did check the 1997 CPES, and just did a quick search on the net. Atropine sulfate for ordinary medical use seems to be available in all sorts of forms, including needleless injectors, needled syringes, bottles for IV injection, opthalmic drops, and even a topical ointment.

I suppose if you really needed to you could also run out behind the house and chew on some nightshade, or eat a green potato.

I don't know what else is used on anthrax, but Cipro is prescribed for all sorts of common ailments. My daughter was on it for a while.

ken mcclure
04-04-2003, 06:49 PM
Interestingly enough, old General Vince (whom I like, btw) when asked about this "find" at this morning's press conference, said that there was not a large quantity, and that the facility was more than likely a training school.

What happened to the 100,000 sq ft factory they found?

I smell something funny, and it's not nerve gas.....

High C
04-05-2003, 12:45 AM
Here's a story about another chemical weapons find, dumped into the Euphrates River. Wait til Greenpeace hears. Now they're in real trouble.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-44agents,0,698286.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

:D

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 03:42 PM
HiC I could run the same test in the Hudson and come up with the same results :confused: Hmmmmm who do we bomb then GE ??? Fact, you all are so reved to find these WOMD. Daryl post proved that. Who? :eek: What? :eek: Where are they? Where is the website? Where did you get that info?? :eek: All the warmongers were taken in by his scam and you fell for it hook line and sinker :D . Were in Baghdad now and guess what NO WOMD ??????. Didn't all the warmongers say that they knew where it was all hid????? Always confused me if they KNEW where they were then why didn't they tell the weapon inspectors :confused: How many weapon's inspectors were there and how many troops do we have in there for the past 2 weeks? And still no WOMD hmmmmm someone better plant some somewhere real fast or you warmongers are not going to get your feast. http://www.davidandmaddie.com/images/gcc-11-green-eggs-and-ham.jpg

[ 04-05-2003, 03:45 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Chris Coose
04-05-2003, 04:28 PM
Joe,
The marines are digging up a courtyard on some school yard presently.
You'd think rummy and the dubbya would be giving them the coordinates for the big piles by now.
Maybe SH followed their instructions and got rid of the stuff. Maybe, maybe, maybe.
Price of gas is going down at the pumps. That's all that really matters.

Glad to see your posts. I know exactly what you have in mind.

Mr. Know It All
04-05-2003, 05:08 PM
If thats true ,I say we should bomb G.E. Joe. :D The price of gas has dropped from $1.89 to $1.38 a gallon and I've been wondering myself Chris. ;)
Peace---&gt; Kevin in Ohio

Meerkat
04-05-2003, 05:32 PM
After 2+ weeks in the field, they've finally found evidence of chemical warfare: anywhere downwind of US troop concentrations ;)

High C
04-05-2003, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
HiC I could run the same test in the Hudson and come up with the same results :confused: Hmmmmm who do we bomb then GE ??? Fact, you all are so reved to find these WOMD. Daryl post proved that. Who? :eek: What? :eek: Where are they? Where is the website? Where did you get that info?? :eek: All the warmongers were taken in by his scam and you fell for it hook line and sinker :D . Were in Baghdad now and guess what NO WOMD ??????. Didn't all the warmongers say that they knew where it was all hid????? Always confused me if they KNEW where they were then why didn't they tell the weapon inspectors :confused: How many weapon's inspectors were there and how many troops do we have in there for the past 2 weeks? And still no WOMD hmmmmm someone better plant some somewhere real fast or you warmongers are not going to get your feast. http://www.davidandmaddie.com/images/gcc-11-green-eggs-and-ham.jpgIndeed we should bomb GE if they are found to have dumped mustard gas and cyanide in the Hudson. Take a deep breath and count to ten. You're making a fool of yourself.

Furthermore I did not fall for Darryl's nonsense. His behavior on this board has been so juvenile and crude that nothing he has to say could possibly be taken seriously. Yours is little better. Civility had begun to return to this forum recently, but some people seem determined to keep that from occuring.

[ 04-05-2003, 05:55 PM: Message edited by: High C ]

Meerkat
04-05-2003, 05:56 PM
Which part of GE should we bomb first? GE has a plant along the Hudson that's been shut down for over a decade that is still leaking.


Last month, General Electric Co. asked a federal court to declare the Superfund law unconstitutional, calling it a violation of due process. At least three GE sites are part of the Superfund list.

One of them is a stretch of the Hudson River contaminated by PCBs released by two GE capacitor plants. The EPA recommended Wednesday that the company dredge the river, which could cost $460 million.

The Hudson River PCBs Site is a 40-mile stretch of the Hudson River between Mechanicville and Fort Edward, New York. General Electric Co. discharged an estimated 1.1 million pounds of PCBs into this stretch of river.

Meerkat
04-05-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Meerkat:
After 2+ weeks in the field, they've finally found evidence of chemical warfare: anywhere downwind of US troop concentrations ;) http://www.kickingdonkeyproducts.com/images/GC741%20braying%20donkey.jpg</font>[/QUOTE]At last Donn posts a self-portrait! :D

Mr. Know It All
04-05-2003, 06:09 PM
This reminds me of the Disney Cartoon "Pinnochio"(sp) where the badboys all turn into jackasses......hee haw!?! :D

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ishmael
04-05-2003, 06:44 PM
Hey Joe,

Nice to see ya back!

I dunno about cyanide and mustard gas, but what's the status of PCB deal the guv'ment and GE were working on? When I lived in western Mass., that was often in the news. It seemed the best solution, to me, was to leave things as they are rather than try to dredge the nasties up.

I was the junior environmental health physicist (fancy phrase for a monitor of radionuclides in nature) at Batelle, West Jefferson Ohio, for a couple years. The department was just two of us.

During that time Batelle was contracted to investigate, to determine the status of, an abandoned nuclear facility outside of Niagra Falls. It was originally a munitions plant, and later was used for refining uranium, during the Manhattan project. It hadn't been used for twenty years, in the early eighties, and it was a nightmare.

There were high level wastes, stacked in crumbling buildings, with ground and surface water flowing through. :eek: One day, we had to kill a feral bitch who was whelping pups in one of the hot zones, along with her chil'en. :(

To top it off, there was a pumping station that emptied directly to the Niagra River. Rumor had it that the contract manager of the site was mobbed up, and hired the pumping facility to the highest bidder.

It was an eye opening experience to manage that place for a couple weeks that summer. Not all terrible, I had a torrid love affair with a local gal. God, youth. smile.gif

It was also the summer Pop died.

Jack

[ 04-05-2003, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: ishmael ]

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
http://www.kickingdonkeyproducts.com/images/GC741%20braying%20donkey.jpg[/QUOTE]

Ummmm Donn nice choice
Did ya know ?
The choice of the mule as the Army mascot can be traced back to 1899 when an officer at the Philadelphia Quartermaster Depot decided that Army needed something to counteract the Navy goat when the two academies went into action on the football field for that season.

http://www.wsmr.army.mil/paopage/Images/rcnike02.jpg

Its my look like an ass and talk like an ass it still dont make it convincing argument for WOMD :D

[ 04-05-2003, 09:59 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
You missed it entirely, Jose....I'm posting pics of Meerkat's audience.I dont miss anything - It's called a segway :D You know a stupid one of these things
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:h2_nT8WMu5sC:bennelson.senate.gov/EBN-Segway.jpg
Maybe the president can use one of these to locate WOMD

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 10:43 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
["Segway?" Is that the local grocery store? ROFL!Yup I just picked up a carton of milk some HoHo's but I couldn't find the WOMD do you know what aisle there on ???

Volly for serve ?

ishmael
04-05-2003, 10:46 PM
Now don't you two, with your propensity for testosterone poisoning, get too excited again. Ya hear?

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 10:53 PM
AHHHH WOMD
http://www.bushbeans.com/art/body/products/countrystylemain.gif

Good thing we ivade Mexico HUN ??

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 10:59 PM
Donn come on you know the Bush's are from TX by way of CT . Man Donn you fell into that one :D I was saying na no way he is to clever to not get the BUSH connection

[ 04-06-2003, 12:01 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Peter Malcolm Jardine
04-05-2003, 11:01 PM
Hey Joe... good to see you.

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
Nope...just checked the cupboard. Bush Brothers, Knoxvill, TN.Duh - get it BUSH -WOMD - BEANS = FUNNY you fell for it hook line and sinker :D walked right into it ROTFLOL and it only took 3 post

[ 04-05-2003, 11:06 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
Oh. Joe, You're so "cleaver."Donn as Roger Moore in the Saint would say "No Not Cleaver ...... Extremely Cleaver
http://www.retrojeunesse60.com/saint01.jpg
:D

Now Donn if your so cleaver why dont you show us all where those pesky WOMD that our boys are fighting for are ??

[ 04-07-2003, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Joe (SoCal)
04-05-2003, 11:29 PM
Ooof Donn with the patented dictionary retort but DUDE look up I just used YOUR spelling of the word :D

40 Love
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/furniture/in_depth/tennis/2002/wimbledon/legends/john_mcenroe.jpg

Game set and match

[ 04-05-2003, 11:31 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

plimsol
04-06-2003, 03:14 AM
It was all a big mistake. They were trial size boxes of Tide soap that were delivered to the wrong warehouse. The parties responsible were taken out and shot, so they would not make the mistake again.

Mr. Know It All
04-06-2003, 06:09 AM
Dayum, you New Yorker's are so confrontational. :D

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by Donn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
Donn come on you know the Bush's are from TX by way of CT . Man Donn you fell into that one :D I was saying na no way he is to clever to not get the BUSH connectionWhen you came back to correct "cleaver," you should have gotten "to," too. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.</font>[/QUOTE]Donn its a conspiracy - con·spir·a·cy
Pronunciation: k&n-'spir-&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Middle English conspiracie, from Latin conspirare
Date: 14th century
1 : the act of conspiring together
2 a : an agreement among conspirators b : a group of conspirators
synonym see PLOT

Just like WOMD in Iraq :D

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by Donn:
Your spelling improves greatly when you cut and paste.Don't matter how ya speilt it Donn still aint gonna get ya any closer to findin any of dem dang WOMD is it. Maybe that's it Donn they spelled WOMD wrong on the box when they hid them. We should be looking for DOM W Careful DONN W its kinda close, quick look out your window the 3rd ID may be sneaking up on ya. :D

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by Donn:
I'm not looking for WMD, Joe. Never was. I don't need them to justify croaking SH.I knew that :D . Now somebody just tell HiC and Northernguy59 .

So Donn since you know so much and such a dam fine speller who are we gonna croak next.

Now that's a foreign policy ya can sink yer teeth in to. Do as we say or we will croak your ass :D

stan v
04-06-2003, 09:22 AM
Joe, I can hardly wait to start missing you again. As if I did last time. Are you Duryl w without the foul language? You sound like a 12 y.o.

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by stan v:
Joe, I can hardly wait to start missing you again. As if I did last time. Are you Duryl w without the foul language? You sound like a 12 y.o.Ahhhh the first insult oooh I feel all warm and cozy again :D

Well, to retort Stanley when you Cut and paste you sound like a right wing 50 year old who can spell. When you rarely post your own thoughts you sound like a 12 year old gerbil loving, bambi killing, cousin loving Texan smile.gif

stan v
04-06-2003, 09:31 AM
I strongly suggest you start cutting and pasting.

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Donn:
Go to mass, Joe...and don't forget to light a candle for our troops.I'm off and I always light one for our troops - true fact. I also pray for peace and in the Lords Prayer I pray for our leaders to make the right choices. Obviously this one isn't listening - even the Pope is agents this war.

stan v
04-06-2003, 09:46 AM
[/QUOTE] even the Pope is agents this war.[/QB][/QUOTE]

No sh*t?

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by stan v:
No sh*t?To all, the above is an example of Stan thinking on his own and NOT cutting and pasting :D Someone sharpen this boys sissor :D

Northernguy59
04-06-2003, 10:12 AM
U.S.: 'Chemical Ali' May Have Been Home During Strike

Saturday, April 05, 2003

CAMP AS SAYLIYAH, Qatar — Coalition aircraft on Saturday struck the villa of an Iraqi general known as "Chemical Ali" for ordering a poison gas attack that killed thousands of Kurds in 1988. Allied officials said the general — Saddam Hussein's cousin — was believed to be home at the time, but it was not known whether he was killed or wounded.

Two coalition aircraft used laser-guided munitions to attack Gen. Ali Hassan al-Majid's home in Basra, 250 miles southeast of Baghdad and under siege by British troops. Last month, the Iraqi president named al-Majid supreme commander of the southern district of Iraq, which includes Basra, the country's second-largest city.

A U.S. official in Washington, speaking on condition of anonymity, told The Associated Press that al-Majid was believed to be home when his residence was hit but that it was not known whether he was killed.

A source at field headquarters for the British army also said he believed al-Majid was in the house when the attack occurred, but his fate was unknown, according to British pool reports.

Air Force Maj. Gen. Gene Renuart said officials believe al-Majid had been in the hospital where Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch had been held captive. But on the night military commandos rescued her last week, the general was not there, Renuart said.

"That's not to say that we haven't been tracking him down at some other locations and will continue to do so until we're pretty confident that he's been eliminated," Renuart said at U.S. Central Command in Qatar.

Al-Majid, a member of Saddam's inner circle, has been associated with some of the regime's most brutal episodes.

He boasted of ordering attacks on Iraqi Kurds, including the 1988 gas bomb strike on the village of Halabja, where an estimated 5,000 people died. He has been linked to crackdowns on Shiites in southern Iraq and served as governor of Kuwait during Iraq's seven-month occupation of the emirate in 1990-1991.

British soldiers, deployed in Basra for more than two weeks, have penetrated closer to the city center as fierce battles continued with Iraqi fighters, who also faced residents who oppose Saddam's regime. Britain's 7th Armored Brigade — descended from the famed "Desert Rats" — and the Royal Marines awaited orders to launch their final push.

British forces on Friday stormed into several houses that belonged to members of Sadaam's Baath Party and the Fedayeen militia, according to Associated Press Television News. More than 70 suspects were taken into custody as one woman cried out in English, "What about my husband?"

"There was no shots fired," said Maj. Paul Nanson, the British officer in charge of the operation. "We gave a good warning before we came in. We have been playing warnings to people to stay in their houses. And we only lifted those people who we have got a very good intelligence on."

He said some of the suspects had been identified to the military by their neighbors.

Also Friday, British soldiers pulled down a massive Saddam statue at the gates of Basra.

Mr. Know It All
04-06-2003, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Donn:
This isn't confrontation, Peace---&gt;Kevin, this is banter. As I suspected when I asked you what your experience was, you don't know anything about confrontation.Oh I know all about confrontation Donn. After all I was married for 13 years. :D I just don't feel the childish need to call your house and threaten you with a gun. tongue.gif Thats just downright stupid. Of course I know how to get "really" confrontational now and it involves lawyers and court. There are far worse things than an ass kicking Donn. Welcome to the modern world.

JimD
04-06-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Donn:
http://www.kickingdonkeyproducts.com/images/GC741%20braying%20donkey.jpg</font>[/QUOTE]Ummmm Donn nice choice
Did ya know ?
The choice of the mule as the Army mascot can be traced back to 1899 when an officer at the Philadelphia Quartermaster Depot decided that Army needed something to counteract the Navy goat when the two academies went into action on the football field for that season.

http://www.wsmr.army.mil/paopage/Images/rcnike02.jpg

Its my look like an ass and talk like an ass it still dont make it convincing argument for WOMD :D [/QUOTE]
Heck, the guy with his hands on the donkey's face looks so much like me I had to do a double take. Thought I finally got my pretty face in the forum

Mr. Know It All
04-06-2003, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Donn:
Bring it on! I have a good lawyer.A brainless coment like that tells me 3 things about you.

1. As I suspected, you have no recent experience with the legal system or you wouldn't be so quick to go there.

2. You have more money than brains.

3. You must of bumpped you head. There is no such thing as a "good" lawyer. What you want is what I have.....a really "bad" lawyer. :D

Mr. Know It All
04-06-2003, 11:56 AM
Hey.....I know that lawyer. I'm represented by his partner.............Heywood Jablome. :D

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 11:58 AM
Northernguy59 nice C&P
Got WOMD ??? I think that would look good on a T Shirt :D
NOPE - Chemical Weapons NOT Found......... NOT A Joke !

Kevin & Donn come on now were at the My lawyer can beat your lawyer fight :D oof we are getting old aren't we smile.gif

Kevin where is the peace my brother give me some peace and love back my brother - chill out no need to fight for me. I came back because so many left and I felt my humor and voice were needed again.

Now help me find those pesky WOMD so Northernguy59 can get his post back on track. Someone said they were in boxes of Tide laundry detergent.

Bruce G
04-06-2003, 12:02 PM
Hey Joe (Cold Feet/ Cold Springs?) I guess the millions of murdered innocents in Iraq, by their own leader, is not enough to stop the labeling of Americans as Warmongers?!!?! I would like to know what your stance on Bosnia was. Did you support the actions taken there? Were the people of Bosnia more fortunate because they did not live atop of oil? Were their liberties more important than the people of Iraq.

You know Joe what is funny- the U.S. is more concerned with winning this war right now than ‘proving’ it was just. We know that all items will be found once it is finished. We are in no rush to prove to the masses that this war was just. We already have the coalition that knows it is.

Don’t worry about the feast Joe, we will have our own with our new found allies, and we will not even give the ‘others’ the bone to chew on.

God bless us all
American by birth, Texan with pride.

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by Bruce G:

American by birth, Texan with pride.Kinda says it all dont it :D

Joe (SoCal)
04-06-2003, 12:24 PM
Originally posted by Bruce G:
You know Joe what is funny- the U.S. is more concerned with winning this war right now than ‘proving’ it was just. .Another great foreign police oops I mean policy strategy. Keep those priorities in check there. Ohh and Bosnia's OVER ??? Did we win ???

[ 04-06-2003, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

Mr. Know It All
04-06-2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
Kevin where is the peace my brother give me some peace and love back my brother - chill out no need to fight for me. I came back because so many left and I felt my humor and voice were needed againI hear you Joe, the peace and love is still in here somewhere. I'm looking for it and my sense of humor too. Glad to see you back.
smile.gif

Northernguy59
04-06-2003, 03:53 PM
Im NOT worried about "my thread" I just want to know the truth where ever that takes us.

Northernguy59
04-07-2003, 09:15 AM
U.S. May Have Found Iraqi WMD Storage Site
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NEAR BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an Iraqi storage site for weapons of mass destruction (WMD), a U.S. officer told Reuters on Monday.

A military source who declined to be identified said there were unconfirmed reports there could be sarin -- a highly lethal nerve agent that causes death by suffocation -- at the site.

Iraq (news - web sites) is believed to have used sarin against Kurdish Iraqis in the 1980s.

"Our detectors have indicated something," said Maj. Ross Coffman, a public affairs officer with the U.S. 3rd Infantry.

"We're talking about finding a site of possible WMD storage. This is an initial report, but it could be a smoking gun," he said, adding that the site was south of the central Iraqi town of Hindiyah.

"It is not as if there is a cloud of gas hanging everywhere endangering soldiers lives. We're talking about a facility," Coffman added.

The United States and Britain launched the war against Iraq to rid the country of weapons of mass destruction Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) denies having.

U.N. weapons inspectors returned to Iraq after a four-year absence in November to look for banned chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.

Inspectors had not found any such weapons when their search abruptly ended when U.S.-led troops attacked Iraq on March 20.

On Saturday, a U.S. officer said that first tests of a suspicious white powder and liquid found on Friday in thousands of boxes south of Baghdad indicated it was not a chemical weapon.

Over the weekend, U.S. Marines in the central Iraqi town of Aziziyah began digging up a suspected chemical weapons hiding place at a girl's school.

The dig began after U.S. forces received information from an Iraqi who described himself as a former special forces member.

The informant told the Marines that a team of Iraqi officials broke through the wall of the school two months ago to truck in material and buried it under new concrete -- about the size of two tennis courts -- in the course of three nights.

Garrett Lowell
04-07-2003, 09:59 AM
The Washington Post reports that the school yard site turned up nothing:

"That did not keep U.S. forces from continuing to search for stashes of chemical weapons. The Marines Sunday were searching five sites around Baghdad. However, excavation at a school where the Marines had been told something suspicious had been buried turned up nothing, officers said"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44658-2003Apr7.html

Joe (SoCal)
04-07-2003, 10:10 AM
NEAR BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. biological and chemical weapons experts believe they may have found an Iraqi storage site for weapons of mass destruction (WMD), a U.S. officer told Reuters on Monday. Ooooo can they be more vauge :confused:

Nothernguy, you and everyone else are scrounging around for crumbs. WHERE IS THE TONS OF KNOWN BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS WE WERE PROMISED? WHERE ARE THE NUCLEAR DEVELOPMENT, The aluminum tubes at least show me some more aluminum tubes (Oh Nuclear weapons, that's in Korea I forgot) waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa I want my WOMD I want my WOMD I want satisfaction knowing we were justified to invade a foreign country like PODUS Bush told us? Northernguy - Please Post when you have the STOCKPILE we were promised, not conjecture and innuendo.

High C
04-07-2003, 10:15 AM
Don't be in such a hurry to find the WMDs, fellows. There's still a war going on. But the evidence is mounting. If there's nothing to hide, as some of you so fervently wish, then why didn't the Iraqis cooperate with the inspections team and avoid this war?

Here's the latest:

Monday April 7, 2003 9:45 a.m.
Shocker! Blix Missed the Sarin

The boys from our 101st Airborne went through a sickening experience on Sunday: They were poisoned by Saddam's Sarin nerve gas.

A unit of the 101st was exploring an Iraqi military complex at the airport when they wandered into a room where the gas hung heavy in the air.

The twelve soldiers, who were treated for symptoms of low-level exposure - vomiting, dizziness and skin blotches - are recovering.

All coalition soldiers evacuated the compound after tests by a mobile laboratory confirmed evidence of the nasty chemical weapon.

The real story, however, is not that weapons were found, but where they were found: Just a few yards from the very building Hans Blix and his inspection team used when they were once again lied to by Saddam and his puppets.

If Blix and his so-called "inspectors" had walked just a few yards from their plane to the buildings at the edge of the airfield, they would have found the Sarin.

Joe (SoCal)
04-07-2003, 10:24 AM
HiC where did you pick that story from? The Louisiana INQUIRER next to the article on the Elvis sighting in Walmart?

High C
04-07-2003, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
HiC where did you pick that story from? The Louisiana INQUIRER next to the article on the Elvis sighting in Walmart?Yeah Joe, I made it up myself. :rolleyes:

Northernguy59
04-07-2003, 10:54 AM
Joe Im going to post both sides....... I want the truth. I thought you left?

Garrett Lowell
04-07-2003, 11:25 AM
Now will come the conspiracy theorists,saying that we planted the lot to justify the war.

km gresham
04-07-2003, 11:32 AM
They're everywhere already, Garrett :rolleyes: I think Chirac stated before we ever started that if we found anything it will be because we planted it. I've never seen people so frantic in their efforts to avoid the truth.

Northernguy59
04-07-2003, 11:48 AM
Karen....... Amen !

thechemist
04-07-2003, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by km gresham:
They're everywhere already, Garrett :rolleyes: I think Chirac stated before we ever started that if we found anything it will be because we planted it. I've never seen people so frantic in their efforts to avoid the truth.People who do [to others] things they would be unwilling to have done to themselves will, afterwards, exert great efforts to keep others from finding out. As others get closer to "finding out", the effort to withhold knowledge from others becomes more and more frantic.

Chirac has behaved so frantically in attempting to keep us from finding out the truth......so frantically that methinks he somehow personally profited from the sale of materials and/or technology to the former Iraqi regieme, and it is actually his own crimes that he does not wish to have found out.

Donn, what can you find out about Chirac? Is he under indictment for anything, held at bay because of his government position? Has his personal wealth increased in undocumented ways over the last 10-20 years?

An investigation of Chirac, personally, should reveal crimes, for he is behaving in the manner of a criminal, of one who has something to hide, by attempting to prevent discovery of the crimes of another. Only one who has some point of agreement with the crimes of another will attempt to withhold those crimes of another.

thechemist
04-07-2003, 01:44 PM
Thank you, Donn.

This behavior of Chirac's points to further, as-yet-unrevealed crimes.

An investigation of Chirac's personal finances and recent acquisition of property by himself or his immediate family will likely turn up payments by those who did business with Iraq in recent years.

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 02:24 PM
Oh, lets get serious about chemical weapons stockpiles:
Umatilla Chemical Depot, Hermiston, Oregon:
91,400 M-55 rockets filled with Sarin gas
14,500 M-55 rockets filled with VX gas
32,300 artillery shells filled with VX gas
Deseret Chemical Depot, Tooele, Utah:
768,400 artillery shells filled with Sarin gas
29,600 artillery shells of mustard gas
22,700 land mines filled with VX gas
Pueblo Chemical Depot, Pueblo, Colorado:
480,500 cartridges of mustard gas
299,600 artillery shells of mustard gas
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/west/nucwst.htm

Jim H
04-07-2003, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Meerkat:
Oh, lets get serious about chemical weapons stockpiles:
Umatilla Chemical Depot, Hermiston, Oregon:
91,400 M-55 rockets filled with Sarin gas
14,500 M-55 rockets filled with VX gas
32,300 artillery shells filled with VX gas
Deseret Chemical Depot, Tooele, Utah:
768,400 artillery shells filled with Sarin gas
29,600 artillery shells of mustard gas
22,700 land mines filled with VX gas
Pueblo Chemical Depot, Pueblo, Colorado:
480,500 cartridges of mustard gas
299,600 artillery shells of mustard gas
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/west/nucwst.htmMeerkat R. Clark
http://shadow.autono.net/sin001/images/clark.jpg

High C
04-07-2003, 02:36 PM
I use that stuff in my yard to repel mosquitoes and alligators. It doesn't stop the skeeters, though. tongue.gif

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 02:39 PM
Ah, I just love abuse by neocons - a sure sign of intellectual overload. Of course, there wasn't much to begin with: they're neocons.

Joe (SoCal)
04-07-2003, 02:47 PM
Lades & Gentleman looks like we might have found the smoking gun hun.
http://www.genkigirl.org/speakeasy/images/smoking-gun-large.jpg

Honestly I don't think we would plant anything I just don't think there is the massive stockpile that was used as a cause to Invade. I'm glad there is at least some evidence after all this time. By the way there is a very interesting article in this months Vanity Fair (of all places) on the Sadams Sons WOW just be glad those two will not be a part of the reconstuction :eek:

Norhernguy - I too want to know both sides of the story. I just saw the rush to say every speck of anything was nauseating - ooh we found a chemical gas mask that must be the smoking gun - oooh we found white powder that must be it people in hysteria, and yet we still haven't found the person or people that sent killed people in our own country with anthrax over a year ago.

High C
04-07-2003, 02:49 PM
Originally posted by Meerkat:
Ah, I just love abuse by neocons - a sure sign of intellectual overload. Of course, there wasn't much to begin with: they're neocons.Neocon? How would you know whether I'm a neocon or an oldocon? I started out as a liberal, voting twice for Jimmy Carter. After that disaster I came to my senses, witnessing the success of the Reagan administration in the early 80s, and have been a conservative ever since. Neocon? That term was dreamed up just a few years ago.

km gresham
04-07-2003, 02:54 PM
Some of the best conservatives are recovering liberals!

Gresham CA
04-07-2003, 02:59 PM
Joe, I think that they are still working on the terrorist side of this war. Also IIRC we were more worried about the amounts that Saddam did have being sold(or given) to likes of OBL. I don't think they were ever looking for "massive stockpiles".

ps. Glad to see you back, you **** stirrer. ;)

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-07-2003, 03:03 PM
Let's face it, chaps (and Karen!) we are not going to find the sort of massive arsenal of chemical weapons listed by Meerkat above (and a check of UK Government supplies at Porton Down would look rather similar, I fancy). Finding a few dozen rockets with chemical warheads just does not justify invading a nation of 24 million people, trashing their armed forces, killing a few hundred of their civilians and destroying parts of their infrastructure (although I will be the first to say that the armed forces involved have been very restrained, have killed as few people as possible and done very little lasting damage).

The only justification for our actions must be that we leave the place better than we found it.

Britain did not go into Sierra Leone because of WMD, we did it because innocent people were, literally, being mutilated (arms and legs hacked off) by brutes calling themselves "freedom fighters". Don't recall we asked the UN, either, but its a better country now.

Northernguy59
04-07-2003, 03:09 PM
Congratulations High C !!

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 03:56 PM
acb; in the US, an ingrown toenail can justify amputation above the knee if the neocon hysterics panic - something they're quite prone to do :D

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 04:22 PM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble. (emphasis added), and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Police State.

[ 04-07-2003, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

Andrew Craig-Bennett
04-07-2003, 04:46 PM
American President Lines is now owned by Neptune Orient Lines, a subsidiary of Temasek Holdings, a Singapore Government holding company. I am sure you wanted to know that.

gunnar I am
04-07-2003, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by High C:
After that disaster I came to my senses, witnessing the success of the Reagan administration in the early 80s, and have been a conservative ever since. [/QB]Success of the Reagan administration? Is that like the French military victory , you guys are always talking about?

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
As the Supreme Court found today, there are limits to free speech.

A nation of laws.So long as you and people like you are around Donn, the Supreme Court will never be able to find a limit on ignorance, short sightedness and plain old garden variety narrow mindedness.

BTW Skippy, your post and my reply where about assembly, not speech. I would have thought that the added emphasis made that clear. I keep forgetting that, with neocons, you have to use single syllable words and lots of pictures - rather like kindergarten kids.

Aside from not actually killing people physically, I'm beginning to see a strong resemblence between neocons and terrorists. They mindlessly believe in a charismatic leader who they support without thinking and oppose and offer violence towards any who disagree. Only the rights they support are valid rights, only the means of expression they approve of are valid expression, only their speech is protected speech and they'll willingly trash any and all other provisions of the constitution and laws of this country in order to enforce their narrow world view, deeply held prejudices and rampant paranoyia. Call them fascists, fundamentalists or neoconservatives - they're all cut from the same rags.

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />
Originally posted by Donn:
So long as you and people like you are around Donn......people like you will be in the minority, and out of office...pissing and moaning about everything, and getting shot with rubber bullets.</font>[/QUOTE]Dream on Donn: W seems right on track to repeat his father's feat: win the war and lose the election. People vote their pocketbook before they vote foreign policy issues and there are too many pocketbooks hurting right now. If he can pull a rabbit out of the hat, more power to him, but he should start conjuring up that rabbit sooner than later.

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 06:09 PM
Gee Donn, if "people like you" jigger the presidential election twice in a row, don't you think people will notice?

If there's ever another revolution in this country, it's going to be caused by "people like you". Aux Barricades!

High C
04-07-2003, 06:12 PM
As so politely put by Meerkat:
"BTW Skippy, your post and my reply where about assembly, not speech. I would have thought that the added emphasis made that clear. I keep forgetting that, with neocons, you have to use single syllable words and lots of pictures - rather like kindergarten kids."

I think it's safe to say that the Supreme Court would find that the right to assemble does not apply IN THE MIDDLE OF A STREET, OR BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE TO SOMEONE'S BUSINESS. :rolleyes:

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by High C:
I think it's safe to say that the Supreme Court would find that the right to assemble does not apply IN THE MIDDLE OF A STREET, OR BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE TO SOMEONE'S BUSINESS. :rolleyes: Wellll.... I think you're wrong on that score. I think the USSC has already found that SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC STREET, THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO USE IT and inconvenience to business is secondary to the important right of assembly.

Chris Coose
04-07-2003, 06:45 PM
OOOPs!
Looking like another little prank.
I think one of the drums said to look inside specifically on April 1st.

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by Chris Coose:
OOOPs!
Looking like another little prank.
I think one of the drums said to look inside specifically on April 1st.More amusement for the neocons &lt;g&gt;

Impotence - is that like threatening somone with a gun because you didn't like what they said on the phone? :cool:

High C
04-07-2003, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Meerkat:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by High C:
I think it's safe to say that the Supreme Court would find that the right to assemble does not apply IN THE MIDDLE OF A STREET, OR BLOCKING THE ENTRANCE TO SOMEONE'S BUSINESS. :rolleyes: Wellll.... I think you're wrong on that score. I think the USSC has already found that SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC STREET, THE PUBLIC HAS A RIGHT TO USE IT and inconvenience to business is secondary to the important right of assembly.</font>[/QUOTE]No way. The public has a right to use a street within the confines of the law. Not to play basketball, nor to go camping, nor to speak freely, rather to motivate oneself in a legal vehicle, and within the posted speed limit. Free speakers may do so on public property such as parks, but not in the middle of the street.

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 07:09 PM
Dude! THE law says people have a right to peaceful assembly. It does not say "in designated areas" or "at the government's convenience". The streets are public property, ergo, they're a legitimate place to assemble.

The government and the police are agencies of the people; the people are not the subjects of the government.

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
No...that would be potency. Impotence is the state of being unable to accomplish what you consider to be a goal.

Potency is the ability to reduce a snivelling anarchist to insult and innuendo with a few well placed facts.I guess that's not a goal of yours then, Donn. So far, you're not succeding. Want to try threatening me with a gun next?

[ 04-07-2003, 07:12 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
The police and the government decide what can and cannot be done...not "people like you" Dude.Only while we let them, Dudly

Mr. Know It All
04-07-2003, 07:16 PM
Thats the way it should be Meer, not the way it is. :D

Hey ya'll I got a letter from cs Chad at Ft. Campbell. Gonna post it in people and places in awhile.
Peace---&gt; Kevin in Ohio

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 07:22 PM
Donn; I gotta say: you are good for a laugh from time to time.

High C
04-07-2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Meerkat:
Dude! THE law says people have a right to peaceful assembly. It does not say "in designated areas" or "at the government's convenience". The streets are public property, ergo, they're a legitimate place to assemble.

The government and the police are agencies of the people; the people are not the subjects of the government.Bull. Have yourself a little protest in the middle of Interstate 5 and see what happens to your butt. tongue.gif

On Vacation
04-07-2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Know It All:
Thats the way it should be Meer, not the way it is. :D

Hey ya'll I got a letter from cs Chad at Ft. Campbell. Gonna post it in people and places in awhile.
Peace---&gt; Kevin in OhioLooking foward to the post.

km gresham
04-07-2003, 07:33 PM
JT, He would become a "sail kat"!! LOL Ok I'll explain - A "sail cat" is one that's been smashed so flat on the highway that you can pick it up and sail it through the air. :D

Sorry for the tasteless humor, but I couldn't resist smile.gif

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 07:39 PM
Well, funny you should mention I-5. Nobody got hurt or shot with lead or rubber bullets or anything along those lines in a recent protest that made it's way onto I-5 in Seattle. I guess we're more tolorant of people acting up and not hurting other people or property. OTOH, we rightfully went after the anarchist component of the WTF protestors. Of course, one of the police did get fired for macing a couple of people innocently sitting in their car in a parking lot near the demonstrations. Next time, I guess he'll know better than to do it with a TV camera recording the incident.

Just to be unbiased about it, the police did deter a more recent demonstration from taking to I-5, but nobody was hurt or arrested IIRC.

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 07:50 PM
You can bet your sweet bippy I'm more tolorant than you'll ever be Donnwaldo!

I restrict my intolorance to intolorance for the most part and you, on the other hand, seem to be intolorant of everything that doesn't fit your narrow little view of the way things should be (according to you).
:cool:

km gresham
04-07-2003, 07:52 PM
Donn! :D Sad to say I was an English major and I keep a dictionary beside me every time I get on this thing - and I still screw up! ;) You're in charge of keeping me straight from now on!

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 08:03 PM
Oh goodness me - I seem to have misspelled "intolerance" and "tolerance". Somehow, I think you got the message though.

Karen; Just typing a word into Yahoo works well for basic spelling correction - http://www.dictionary.com is good for definitions.

John Bell
04-07-2003, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Meerkat:
You can bet your sweet bippy I'm more tolorant than you'll ever be Donnwaldo!

I restrict my intolorance to intolorance for the most part and you, on the other hand, seem to be intolorant of everything that doesn't fit your narrow little view of the way things should be (according to you).
:cool: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you tolerance

Meerkat spouteth:

Aside from not actually killing people physically, I'm beginning to see a strong resemblence between neocons and terrorists. They mindlessly believe in a charismatic leader who they support without thinking and oppose and offer violence towards any who disagree. Only the rights they support are valid rights, only the means of expression they approve of are valid expression, only their speech is protected speech and they'll willingly trash any and all other provisions of the constitution and laws of this country and employ means, however vile, in order to enforce their narrow world view, deeply held prejudices and rampant paranoyia. Call them fascists, fundamentalists or neoconservatives - they're all cut from the same rags.
Tolerance. Love and understanding for all.

QED

A little self-awareness would go a long way, Meer. tongue.gif

(Sorry for the ad hominem attack folks, sometimes I just can't take it anymore.)

[ 04-07-2003, 08:09 PM: Message edited by: John Bell ]

Meerkat
04-07-2003, 08:31 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
It seems that some of us can deal with the language, and some of us cannot. You brought it up, but you can't compete. Maybe this is your problem. Email me your resume, and I'll proof it for you. tongue.gif Heh - if you want to suggest I can't deal with language based on occasionally misspelling a word, you are welcome to your misconception. If you want to find somebody really challenged with language (or has his fingers wrapped around his pickle fork, I'm not sure which), I suggest you take on a nearby mollusk! That might help with any potency issues you might have. tongue.gif

High C
04-07-2003, 09:01 PM
Now Donn, the Meer and I had previously agreed not to get into a pissing match over writing skills since it would be embarrassing to the marginally educated lefties on the forum.

Please, a little tolerance. ;)

Paul Denison
04-07-2003, 10:24 PM
A little more tolerance from Meerkat:

quote:
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Originally posted by plimsol:
Religion and its associated beliefs are a Society's socially sanctioned mental illness. More misery has come to mankind from "holymen" who are little more than tyrants in vestments.
I believe God has as much to do with the future as the Energizer Bunny does.
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Meerkat says:

"Right on Plimsol!

I don't go as far as you in that religion itself isn't bad, it's the acts in it's name and it's organization and exploitation that sucks.

I say we put a big fence up from the N. of Lebanon to the Israeli Egyptian border and east to include Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Iran and put every last Muslim, Christian and Jew in there, take away all guns and other modern weapons and let them fight it out among themselves with traditional weapons: knives, slingstones and rocks. A nice conservative tradition.

Naturally they would have to be excluded from the oil fields, but then children shouldn't be allowed in such areas anyway.

Islam, Christianity and Judaism are a blight upon the face of the world. Hinduism comes in a close 4th. Missionaries of any faith should be shot on sight." :(

Bruce G
04-07-2003, 10:33 PM
Well for those of you who do not like religion then you better hope that you are right, for an eternity is an extremely long time to think about being wrong.

As for the rubber bullets- why waste good rubber when they could have used good old lead instead. That way those liberal pieces of dung would not be spiting on our soldiers when they come home (like the human waste in the Viet Nam era). Hell, rather than shoot them we should send to Canada with the rest of the liberal garbage.

God bless us all, and guide those who are lost
American by birth, Texan with pride.

John Bell
04-07-2003, 11:28 PM
Good 'un Paul. I had forgotten that particular exchange.

High C
04-07-2003, 11:35 PM
Oohh, that kind of talk is the hell express! ;)

stan v
04-07-2003, 11:49 PM
I'm not up to speed on this incident in Oakland. But, if the police ordered the protestors to back off, stop a particular activity, then the police can use force to carry out their commands. Does anyone know what happened? And, where can I get some of those rubber bullets? tongue.gif

Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread!

[ 04-07-2003, 11:54 PM: Message edited by: stan v ]

Meerkat
04-08-2003, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by High C:
Now Donn, the Meer and I had previously agreed not to get into a pissing match over writing skills since it would be embarrassing to the marginally educated lefties on the forum.

Please, a little tolerance. ;) Not to mention the illiterate righties, which seem to predominate on this forum on your side of the fence tongue.gif

Joe (SoCal)
04-16-2003, 04:05 AM
Rubber Bullets, Pissing contest, and grammatical errors aside. Lets review the origins of this post. HAVE ANY OF THE WOMD SUPPOSEDLY FOUND SURVIVE SCRUTINY ?? I'm reading so far NOTHING of any significance has been found :rolleyes:

stan v
04-16-2003, 05:57 AM
To date, mostly links to terrorism. WOMD to come, so don't get your hopes up. :rolleyes:

Chris Coose
04-16-2003, 06:32 AM
No better than the links to terrorism in the US.

I wonder how much quicker we'd have invaded Iraq if the suicide boys got trained there or if we knew for a fact that M. Atta had his last meal in Baghdad instead of Portland, ME.

imported_Daniel
04-16-2003, 06:49 AM
Hell, rather than shoot them we should send to Canada with the rest of the liberal garbage.
Funny, last I heard, we were still trucking our garbage to Michigan. :D