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this is entertaining
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502020014
Victor
02-08-2005, 09:43 PM
You can see the same thing at Town Hall. This is the guy who gets invited to all the functions, and gets fed the stories. The other guy, the one who thinks he's gonna be a real reporter, gets shut out, or his editor gets a phone call. They're all just mouthpieces for the politicians, or else they're not there at all, not any more. Actually, it's always been this way. I think Watergate gave us the impression that it was different. If Nixon had had the geniality of Reagan or even Bush, he would've gotten away with it for sure.
but at the Whitehouse to have a 'reporter' who's backed by the GOP and frames questions that mirror the administrations deceptions is more than 'the same thing at Townhall'
MR. McCLELLAN: Go ahead, Jeff.
Q: Thank you. The imam [Yassin M. Aref] that was arrested in [Albany] New York last week was discovered because his name appeared in a Rolodex in a terrorist training camp in Iraq before the war. The book was found after, by U.S. troops, but he was in Iraq before the war. Is this another piece of evidence showing the direct terror ties between Iraq and al Qaeda?
Ian McColgin
02-09-2005, 04:13 AM
Cf: http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=021358 .
I regret that I'd overlooked LeeG asking the question - http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/cgi-bin/UBB/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=021339 - the day before, but that did not prevent him and others from adding to the story.
The additional twist here is that the Republican Regressives now want to make out that all pols utterly control access and ensure soft lobs. LeeG is absolutely right that this is way out in front of what mayors do.
it gets better,,rumor has it that jeff gannon is a white house reporter under another name,,with some interesting domain names ..if true it fits group-think...this really is politically correct politics at work but the sheep cannot name it as such.
an archived copy of one of his webpages:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040213162508/www.theconservativeguy.com/WHOisFP.htm
a string of gossip/research following domain names associated with "Gannon" and Talon News,,
http://dailykos.com/comments/2005/1/31/93126/4150/228#228
going,going,and gone..and to think he was there for the Whitehouse connecting the dots for the American people when the questions got,,hard
http://www.jeffgannon.com/
[ 02-09-2005, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: LeeG ]
NormMessinger
02-09-2005, 07:49 AM
I bet Karen approves.
it gets better,,you thought Bernard Kiruk had issues..we got a White House reporter soft stroking the administrations hard work getting the message out to reporters.
http://www.americablog.org/
NormMessinger
02-09-2005, 07:41 PM
NPR reported Gannon quit as a reporter. Geeze, now how is Karen gonna find the truth.
Lurch
02-09-2005, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by NormMessinger:
NPR reported Gannon quit as a reporter. Geeze, now how is Karen gonna find the truth.Truth doesn't matter, only overwhelming volume does. :rolleyes:
High C
02-09-2005, 10:25 PM
:D What an outrage! :D
Now you know how conservatives have felt for years when reporters tossed softball "questions" at Dem politicians. Loaded questions which were really just a form of cheerleading. We endured thousands of 'em, for decades!
It's an old practice, but it's new for you guys to be on this side of it. :D
still looking for those WMD?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/9/191334/0754
In conclusion:
Jeff Gannon was planted by the administration to disseminate their talking points unfettered by any journalism ethics or investigation shortly after the Iraq war, when the failure to find WMDs was becoming apparent. He became incredibly useful in L'Affaire Plame to continue to push the dual stories that a) Plame's name was already common knowledge and therefore `outing' her was not a crime and b) to continue to help discredit the CIA and Wilson.
Based on the evidence, I believe the 2002 CIA memo was leaked to Gannon when Novak became unusable and when the `mainstream' reporters with CIA contacts were not pushing the WH's preferred story line. They needed cover, and they got it.
And as is evidenced by his remarkable access to Scott McClellan and President Bush in the White House press room, to this day, he was rewarded handsomely...
And it continues as business as usual... until today when he became expendable and `resigned' from Talon News.
Comprehensive timeline: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/5/212837/3714
[ 02-10-2005, 12:10 AM: Message edited by: LeeG ]
Originally posted by High C:
:D What an outrage! :D
:D only if you believe in a leadership that doesn't have to deceive you to lead you.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1830500.stm
High,,this is different than Charles Krautheimer writing editorials supporting his neo-con buddies,,,this is an example of using the tools of disinformation to deceive YOU.
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/02/09/white.house.reporter/index.html
alteran
02-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Just a guess, but I bet when you stop to see people in your real neighborhood and start talking politics they suddenly hear their mother calling and need to go attend to her.......
Alteran,,you don't find an occasional journalist operating in the White House under an assumed name and paid by a GOP media outlet bothersome?
alteran
02-10-2005, 12:34 AM
My mothers calling............
Ian McColgin
02-10-2005, 06:23 AM
The claim that 'liberal' press lob softballs to 'liberal' pols does not stand up to a review of Clinton's press conferences.
The difference is that Clinton - a brilliant policy wonk and adult child of an alcoholic - would handle any (non-personal) question so very well while Bush 43 manages to make even Gannon's lobs look tricky.
The face of cartoon conservatism,,Rove, working hard for your money. Because answering questions about WMD is HARD.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040213162508/www.theconservativeguy.com/WHOisFP.htm
who does that song.."working hard for your money, working hard for it honey,,,"?
militarymenm4m.com work it honey. Shades of Roy Cohn.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0502100291feb10,1,3302013.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ct rack=1 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0502100291feb10,1,3302013.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctr ack=1) &cset=true
Gannon's stories appeared on a site founded by Texas Republican activist Robert Eberle.
Eberle said in a statement: "I understand and support Jeff's decision, and have accepted the resignation," adding that Talon is looking for a replacement.
Among the domain names registered by Gannon's company several years ago, but never launched, were Hotmilitarystud.com, Militaryescorts.com and Militaryescortsm4m.com and Exposejessejackson.com.
Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), welcomed the news. In his question at the presidential news conference, Gannon had said that in an effort to disparage the U.S. economy "Harry Reid was talking about soup lines," which is not accurate and which Gannon later acknowledged was a characterization he picked up from Rush Limbaugh.
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Chris Coose
02-10-2005, 06:50 AM
dubbya press conferences will be one day pasted together to make a 1/2 hour comedy show that will win awards.
High C
02-10-2005, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
The claim that 'liberal' press lob softballs to 'liberal' pols does not stand up to a review of Clinton's press conferences...:D
NormMessinger
02-10-2005, 07:34 AM
Originally posted by alteran:
My mothers calling............LOL! The ramifications of this does have a profound impact on what you believe about the truthfullness of what else your heros have been telling you, eh. I'd cover my ears too if I were you.
ok,,this is gratuitious,,tough boxers. The really funny part is that he thinks a Nissan Pathfinder is a manly SUV,,,oh this is sad. If he was a real man it would be a '78 Bronco, with Texas plates.
http://www.nydailynews.com/02-10-2005/news/gossip/story/279466p-239417c.html
High C,
Are you saying that it was right when Clinton did it, or it was wrong when Bush did it, or that two wrongs now make a right? Just what exactly are you saying?
Except, of course, Clinton never did anything like this --- softball questions from a paid party operative working under a fake name for a fake news agency run by wealthy camapaign supporters.
It takes a very special type of guy to get lied to and then proclaim loudly that that's exactly the way he wants his government to treat him.
There's a special level of hell reserved for those who claim that it's what they wanted all along.
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Garrett Lowell
02-10-2005, 09:44 AM
For the record, this Jim person didn't own or operate the websites listed in the NYTimes article. He only owned the domain names. Websites were never launched.
for the record,,when Jeff/Jim asked Scot McClellan at a White House Press briefing whether the missing HMX at Al Qaqaa was an 11th hour Democrat attempt to discredit the president prior to the election,,,he was planting misinformation into morning news for you and me.
Work the facts,,the Iraqi minister called the IAEA, the IAEA identifies the missing material, the white house is up against the wall manufacturing lame answers like the russians took it,Saddam took it, but an ABC VIDEO shows it AFTER the dates provided by the White House and Jeff/Jim from Talon/GOPUSA asks if this is an "11th hour" smear from the Democrats.
When the average American gets news from headlines and possibly the first paragraph of a news article it's an opportunity for disinformation for a 'journalist' (with no news credentials) to lead a question to the White House press secretary in that manner. Especially when other real journalists representing a range of news services are hounding Scott,,Jim/Jeff provides a safe haven and sound bite for Fox news.
Keith Wilson
02-10-2005, 10:53 AM
This sort of thing is starting to remind me of "Pravda" in the old days. Of course, government journalism was the only legitimate kind in the old USSR, but it's not a pleasing development, particualrly since it's an article of faith among the right that the New York Times is never a reliable source of information.
It reminds me of one of the reasons we invaded Iraq -- so that people can be free of their government and that it would be responsible and accountable to them.
nahh, it's a battle of perceptions.
Gary Lee
02-10-2005, 02:29 PM
Helen Thomas, and Dan Rather have been asking loaded questions of their enemies, even traveling to Communist nations to slant their news for decades. There is no wrong doing here. I like it when the double standard makes the headlines. This is one individual, with barely a pen and paper, against million dollar networks and syndicates. This is one individual moving mountains by himself.
High C
02-10-2005, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Keith Wilson:
This sort of thing is starting to remind me of "Pravda" in the old days...We've had "Pravda" in this country for decades, but now the Democrat side finally sees it, as the shoe finds itself on the other foot. I have heard the word "Pravda" applied to the American media many times over the years.
It's wrong whomever engages in it. Now that more people see it, maybe it'll finally be stopped.
It's a VERY old situation. Your concern and recognition are most welcome.
[ 02-10-2005, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: High C ]
Garrett Lowell
02-10-2005, 04:12 PM
Well, the main issue being overlooked here is that this man was attacked by the neolibs in the same tactics and manner that they usually decry (that is, if it's someone not a conservative).
This, from Howard Kurtz (who writes for Washington Post) and Wolf Blitzer:
"BLITZER: Is there any evidence that there's a connection, that the White House put him up to this to throw these kind of questions whether to Scott McClellan or to the president? Any evidence of wrongdoing, first of all, on the part of the White House?
"KURTZ: No evidence whatsoever. I talked to Scott McClellan about this today, the White House spokesman. He said, first of all, President Bush didn't know who Jeff Gannon was when he called on him at that news conference.
"But McClellan knows who he is. He calls on him at White House briefings from time to time. He says that there are a lot of people in the White House press room who have strong opinions and sometimes put them into their questions and it's not his job as the press secretary to be deciding who can get into the White House and who can't based on their political views.
"Gannon, by the way, says, sure, he's very conservative. He makes no bones about that. But he thinks that a lot of the reporters in the White House press room are liberal, and he provides some balance. . . .
"The issue I think is, should some of his liberal critics, these liberal bloggers, have started investigating his personal life in an effort to discredit him?
"It's fine to disagree with his politics, but did they go too far, I think a lot of people are asking, in dragging in some of this personal stuff?
"BLITZER: I used to be a White House correspondent for many years, sat through numerous briefings. There are plenty of journalists that wear their politics on their sleeve, liberals, conservatives. What's wrong with journalists having these kind of views, being advocacy journalists, if you will?
"KURTZ: I personally don't think there's anything wrong with it, as long as they make clear what their views are, as Jeff Gannon clearly did.
"A lot of people are questioning, well, why does this guy have White House press credentials? Because he doesn't write for a newspaper or magazine. Everything he writes is simply online. But in the age of blogging, that's hardly unusual. And he doesn't have a permanent -- what's called a hard pass. He just gets cleared into the White House on a day-to-day basis, which is a privilege that is pretty much open to any journalist."
Garrett Lowell
02-10-2005, 04:14 PM
Interesting that there are some here who find it all "entertaining".
Chris Coose
02-10-2005, 04:47 PM
He just gets cleared into the White House on a day-to-day basis, which is a privilege that is pretty much open to any journalist." I'd like to see Al Franken among the handpicked some day.
You don't think dubbya's press shows are staged to be entertaining?
Roger Stouff
02-10-2005, 05:42 PM
Fear not, dear forumites...there are still SOME small town newspaper guys who cause everyone in City Hall to tremble in their shoes when they come through the door. Trust me on this one. :D
it is interesting, and entertaining. WMD and the search for good over bad intelligence is interesting and entertaining, a press corp seeking information from Scott McClellan is interesting and entertaining. Pre-emptive war based on bad intel is interesting and entertaining,,a journalist in the White House press who has no journalistic history but is hired by a "news outlet" that's allied with the Republican party is interesting and entertaining. Especially when the administration went out of its way to present bad intel.
if the gay want ad nature of the websites are Gannons then the entertainment value goes up significantly given the presidents constitutional amendment on heterosexual marriages.
Anyone who says this is normal is mistaken.
You can say Dan Rather is biased -- some people might even believe you.
But you can't say he was on the DNC payroll.
This guy was on the GOP payroll. So was Armstrong Williams and Mark Mcanus and others.
It's one thing to have weak, unimaginative, gullible or unscrupulous journalists.
It's quite another for them to be paid by the government with taxpayer money.
Chris Coose
02-10-2005, 05:53 PM
http://blog.democrats.com/image/view/3267
Now that's entertainment!
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Ian McColgin
02-10-2005, 05:58 PM
We already have the Administration exposed for blatant violations of federal law barring use of federal funds for partisan propaganda. Now it appears that "Gannon" may be a 'trade name.' You can bet your bippie that the Secret Service would not clear a "reporter" with a false name in unless they were under Administration orders.
These regressive Republicans take a distain for truth to a new low. Debate is one thing. Making an arguement is one thing. But democracy cannot function if its leaders lie so shamelessly.
ljb5, to those who believe the story is what matters, this is normal, another story. The person in power gets to tell the story just as the victor gets to write history. In the battle of perceptions,,perception is all. They hate us because we're free. To criticize the president or US policies is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. So someone in the press corp who has no previous journalistic crendentials hired by Republican interests is providing fair and balanced questioning. It's only fair,,since the media asks such mean questions,,someone should ask friendly questions.
It's like a handicap. Whether it's points in a race or a disability, perfectly normal. The administration has a handicap so Gannon is there to even the odds.
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High C
02-10-2005, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
...democracy cannot function if its leaders lie so shamelessly.:D :rolleyes: Where was all this haughty concern for the truth when Bill Clinton was President? He wasn't able to be straight about what he ate for breakfast, for crying out loud. :rolleyes:
Chris Coose
02-10-2005, 06:16 PM
The administration has a handicap so Gannon is there to even the odds.
You got that right Lee.
dubbya needs all the help he can get.
Think though if he were going to spend our money for it he might be purchasing a better caddie.
Ian McColgin
02-10-2005, 06:19 PM
Bill Clinton did indeed lie about a matter that was not itself a crime. He has a very good reputation for truthfulness in what he said about his policies and plans. The movie "Wag the Dog" came out fairly pointedly during his administration and regressive Republicans claimed he was trying to divert attention from something when he got involved in Somolia and the Balkans and such, but Clinton did not start a war based on assertions that were simply untrue. And the Clinton Administration sure didn't pay "journalists" to trumpet their agenda.
The regressive chant that Clinton is a liar is just that, a chant.
High C
02-10-2005, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
Bill Clinton...has a very good reputation for truthfulness in what he said about his policies and plans.
The regressive chant that Clinton is a liar is just that, a chant.I just wanted to read it again... :D
Originally posted by High C:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Ian McColgin:
...democracy cannot function if its leaders lie so shamelessly.:D :rolleyes: Where was all this haughty concern for the truth when Bill Clinton was President? He wasn't able to be straight about what he ate for breakfast, for crying out loud. :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]are you speaking of a blowjob or the basis for pre-emptive war? How about a blowjob or the troop strength necessary to prevent crime from overtaking Iraq when it's security apparatus is dissolved? Maybe the outing of a CIA operative is equivalent...yeah,,so much to leave unanswered.
So why did the 9/11 commission have to wait until now to release documents showing that FAA officials had received 52 memos concerning Al Qaeda and hijacking?
Chris Coose
02-10-2005, 06:26 PM
Where was all this haughty concern for the truth when Bill Clinton was President? He wasn't able to be straight about what he ate for breakfast, for crying out loud. I think I remember something about impeachment.
Course that was quite a while ago. We could dredge up all kinds of lies to be placed on about any one of them.
This topic appears to be about the lies of the dubbya. Naturally, I could see why you wouldn't want to go there.
Not sure if I want The Liberal Guy in the press corp.
from Jim/Jeffs recently removed website:
Therefore, my mission is simple:
1. Help people to realize that they have conservative core values and are therefore conservatives.
2. Help people to be proud that they are conservatives.
3. Help people to allow their conservative values to govern their actions.
4. To expose the liberal lies perpetuated by the media, Hollywood, the teachers' unions and the Democratic Party.
and how is he going to do it?
I am going to tell you what I think. I will be passionate. I will be cynical at times. I will employ some humor and some sarcasm. The expression of my opinions will be controversial because I don't have to be politically correct. I'm not running for office. I'm not trying to be fair and balanced. I am a conservative and I am speaking my mind.
I encourage you to do the same.
NormMessinger
02-10-2005, 06:30 PM
My hats off to yea, HighC. Of course you are purdee wrong but at least you have the courage of your convictions.
High C
02-10-2005, 06:32 PM
:D :rolleyes: tongue.gif
Chris Coose
02-10-2005, 06:33 PM
Yes Norm.
It could be called courage of conviction to come in and defend on this one. There are other things I could call it but you got it best.
High C
02-10-2005, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by LeeG:
How about...the troop strength necessary to prevent crime from overtaking Iraq when it's security apparatus is dissolved? You gotta get over Clinton's screwups and look forward. Since you're now convinced that he shouldn't have reduced troop levels so deeply, you might consider dropping a note to your Congressman to that effect.
But don't mention Clinton in an angry way. Bygones...
High C
02-10-2005, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by Chris Coose:
Yes Norm.
It could be called courage of conviction to come in and defend on this one.Had you read my posts, you'd know that I have not defended this. I said that this is wrong, whomever does it. That includes your guys and mine. It's wrong, no defense. Just drop the pretense that your side has a clean history. Everyone knows better.
alteran
02-10-2005, 06:40 PM
Clinton, a man who made a false statement under oath in a court of law while serving as president that caused him to be not only disgraced but disbarred as well. This "champion" of womens rights lying in court about his actions with one woman in a case where another woman accused him of improper behavior.
Those who attempt to minimize this as a simple private dalliance expose themselves as hopelessly naive or untruthful. In any case it doesn't matter, they have long ago lost any credibility.
JimJeff could not get a Congressional Press Pass but could get a Whitehouse one. Hmm,,sounds ok. Bernard Kerik was nominated to be the next Sec.for Homeland Defense and he was a gross mistake,,so why not let in a "newsreporter" that couldn't be allowed to cover Congress? It's that handicap thing.
http://lautenberg.senate.gov/~lautenberg/press/2003/01/2005210903.html
maybe Talon News will be able to buy more donuts for the staff?
http://www.alexa.com/data/d etails/traffic_details?&y=t&q=&url=http://www.talonnews.com/ (http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&y=t&q=&url=http://www.talonnews.com/)
this ones better,,more staying power
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.woodenboat.com
[ 02-10-2005, 07:49 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]
Originally posted by High C:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LeeG:
How about...the troop strength necessary to prevent crime from overtaking Iraq when it's security apparatus is dissolved? You gotta get over Clinton's screwups and look forward. Since you're now convinced that he shouldn't have reduced troop levels so deeply, you might consider dropping a note to your Congressman to that effect.
But don't mention Clinton in an angry way. Bygones...</font>[/QUOTE]tsk,tsk,,,the whitehouse asks the Army for an estimate of troop strength required to invade Iraq,,500,000. Shinseki/White give an estimate to the Senate summer of '02 "a few hundred thousand" with numbers mentioning 340,000. Rumsfeld/Wolf were thinking of 50,000-75,000. Powell got behind Franks and the number went up to 150,000. So,,"haughty concern for truth",,how about the basis for Iraqs threat to the US?
how about Gannons friendly introduction to the White House press corp,,when getting the message out was getting hard?
High C
02-10-2005, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by LeeG:
...the whitehouse asks the Army for an estimate of troop strength required to invade Iraq,,500,000. Shinseki/White give an estimate to the Senate summer of '02 "a few hundred thousand" with numbers mentioning 340,000. Rumsfeld/Wolf were thinking of 50,000-75,000. Powell got behind Franks and the number went up to 150,000...And how many troops do you suppose we have just hanging around the US still?
When you gripe about inadequate troop levels in Iraq, look to Clinton, not to Bush. But you already knew that, didn't you?
GaryLee,,check this out,,this one man representing Talon News,JimJeff, with access to the WhiteHouse compared to this one man, Juan Cole, prof. Eastern Studies. The both have websites,,but check out the popularity contest!
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&range=6m&size=medium&y=r&url=www.juancole.com#top
[ 02-10-2005, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]
Originally posted by High C:
I said that this is wrong, whomever does it. That includes your guys and mine. It's wrong, no defense. Just drop the pretense that your side has a clean history.That's where you are wrong, C.
There may have been some left-leaning reporters before, but never before has one been paid by the president's party.
It's the difference between a boxer losing a fight and being paid to take a dive.
Stop claiming that Clinton did this too. He did nothing of the sort.
Besides, you hate him and he was impeached. Are you sure you want to compare Bush to him?
Garrett, the main issue is that Jim/Jeff was a fraud reporter operating with Whitehouse knowledge that he's a fraud. In order for Jim/Jeff to get clearance it was with the knowledge of his advocacy by the Republican Party. Talon News is a cover for the Republican Party compared to real newspapers with award winning writers that don't make it into the Whitehouse. But Jim/Jeff did. The Whitehouse needs plants like Jim/Jeff,,he couldn't get a Congressional Press Pass because he had no credentials as a journalist but he could make it into the WhiteHouse.
Gary Lee
02-10-2005, 07:55 PM
This is becoming a funny thread. If you serve with a Democratic president, you will receive primetime billing with one of the major networks. This has never required any degree from any journalism school in the country. If you service a Democratic president, you will make millions and receive prime time billing on all the major networks.
see, it is entertaining. So,,Gary,,how about the industry lobbiests posing as news reporters? Still don't think a Pathfinder is macho enough for a gun owner.
this is from a CNN article about JimJeff:
The House and Senate press galleries declined Guckert's request for credentials in 2003.
Julie Davis, chairwoman of the Senate press gallery's executive committee, said Guckert could not demonstrate any separation between Talon News and GOPUSA, a Republican consulting group.
Both organizations are run by Bobby Eberle, a Texas GOP activist. Many Talon News articles also appeared as news releases on the GOPUSA Web site, said Davis, a reporter for The Sun newspaper of Baltimore, Maryland.
[ 02-10-2005, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]
Gary, what you are describing is the difference between an alleged, circumstantial relationship and a real, pecuniary relationship.
Stop making excuses. Your guy did it. No one else has ever done it so blatantly. No allegations about anyone else will ever justify what the GOP has done.
ljb5, you don't get it. In a War of Perceptions it's OK to mix categories and types, apples and oranges, you just have to have Faith. Iraq has four letters, Al Qaeada has more, they both are near Iran, my fingers never left my hands!poof,,and for my next magical trick
from the Eberle Communications website Statement Of Values:
1
Priorities. We keep ours straight . . .
God, family, country, business.
2
In business, clients come first.
Their success is our success.
3
Quality through commitment.
There is no other way.
4
Innovation without risk doesn’t exist.
Go for it!
5
There is no substitute for integrity.
6
Mutual trust.
We can’t do our best without it.
7 Everyone a leader. Everyone a team player.
It’s the key to excellence.
8 Courtesy is a must.
9 Pride. We’re proud of what we do.
We’re proud of each other.
10 Fun. We enjoy work.
We enjoy life.
Gary Lee
02-10-2005, 08:35 PM
Gary, what you are describing is the difference between an alleged, circumstantial relationship and a real, pecuniary relationship. Stop making excuses. Your guy did it. No one else has ever done it so blatantly. No allegations about anyone else will ever justify what the GOP has done
Are you attempting to tell us there are no pecuniary relationships with the major networks and the past advisors to the Democratic party heads?
Do you require a white with a red tip cane, a short bus and a braille keyboard?
Gary, what you are describing is what happens with lobbiests,politicians and industry. What JeffJimEberle Communications has done would be like a reporter for Boeings in house paper asking Scott Mclellan about the deal to lease Boeing 767 tanker jets. . . or like Richard Perles consulting business receiving income from Boeing while sending recomendations to Congress to ok the leasing deal. What happened with JimJeffGOPUSA is close to fraud. He couldn't cut Congresses standards for getting a press pass but he could for the Whitehouse.
High C
02-10-2005, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by LeeG:
huh?Edited to add: Gary, sometimes all you can do is laugh... :D :D
[ 02-10-2005, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: High C ]
Ha, ha....
Nice try. Clinton may have had his supporters in the media, but he never put them on the payroll; not the party's payroll and not the taxpayer's.
Sympathetic media is one thing. Bought and paid for is quite another.
Originally posted by alteran:
Clinton, a man who made a false statement under oath in a court of law while serving as president that caused him to be not only disgraced but disbarred as well. This "champion" of womens rights lying in court about his actions with one woman in a case where another woman accused him of improper behavior.
Those who attempt to minimize this as a simple private dalliance expose themselves as hopelessly naive or untruthful. In any case it doesn't matter, they have long ago lost any credibility.Lying under oath is bad. Deceiving the public to protect the president is good. Guess what?,,documents from the 9/11 hearings just got unclassified,,guess we had to wait for the election to be over. Guess who lied?
BEEP, times up,,Condi said in the 9/11 hearings that the Jan25 memo from Clarke urgently asking for a principals meeting didn't have a plan regarding Al Qaeda,,,BRAAAP,,,said memo has been released, quess what? it does. The amount of wiggle room is equivalent to redefining "is".
But for entertainment value,,what is a reporter?
like dude, what is actionable intelligence?
Drudge become philosophical
WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: WHAT IS A REPORTER?
Thu Feb 10 2005 20:49:03 ET
White House spokesman Scott McClellan On Thursday challenged liberal media activists, who are currently feigning outrage over events surrounding "Jeff Gannon," to examine the definition of reporter in the new century.
"In this day and age, when you have a changing media, it's not an easy issue to decide or try to pick and choose who is a journalist. It gets into the issue of advocacy journalism," McClellan said.
"Where do you draw the line? There are a number of people who cross that line in the briefing room.
"There are a number of people in that room that express their points of view, and there are people in that room that represent traditional media, they represent talk radio, they're columnists, and they represent online news organizations."
Developing...
Originally posted by High C:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by LeeG:
huh?Edited to add: Gary, sometimes all you can do is laugh... :D :D </font>[/QUOTE]huh,,huh,huh,or is it hehehe?
Talon News with less traffic than this website was created a few days before Jeff Gannon gained access to White House press gatherings. Without credentials that would get him into covering Congress he gets access to national coverage,Scott McClellan, the president and a secret memo that identifies Valerie Plame as a CIA operative that other journalists didn't get access to. This could not occur without Whitehouse permission.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/11/politics/11gannon.html?
cool,,Talon News is created four days before JeffJim gets his White House Pass,,his journalistic career was nine articles in four days.
Is America great or what?!
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
From: The DailyKos Diarists
To: National Desk, Political Reporter
Contact : Brian Kelly at nybri2@yahoo.com
RE: The Jeff Gannon Controversy - A Primer for the Press or Beginners
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Feb. 10, 2005 - An unprecedented coalition of citizen DailyKos Diarists have recently investigated and uncovered important details regarding Talon News reporter, James "J.D." Guckert (AKA Jeff Gannon). These details, along with other information reported by Media Matters and other blog sites, have led to Mr. Guckert's resignation from his position as Washington Bureau Chief for Talon News yesterday amid a flurry of controversy.
Prompted by a Jan. 26 report by MediaMatters.org regarding Guckert's "softball" questions to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan and President Bush, members of DailyKos, an online community, began investigating the matter.
The information discovered by this investigation was in the public domain, readily available to anyone with internet access. Much of the information was derived from Guckert's own sites which he published himself on the internet, or from comments he himself posted on various sites.
In his Talon News profile, Guckert claimed he had a degree in Education from the "Pennsylvania State University System." His only journalistic "experience" was attendance at the Leadership Institute Broadcast Journalism School. The Leadership Institute describes its mission as increasing "the number and effectiveness of conservative public policy leaders" and to "place conservative leaders in the public policy process." Guckert's "training" at the Leadership Institute was a two-day seminar, tuition for which was $50.
Despite his lack of journalistic experience, Guckert used an assumed name and was granted access to the elite White House Press Corps. His application for a press pass to the House and Senate galleries was rejected because Talon News shares ownership with GOPUSA.com and did not meet press pass standards. Yet somehow he was still given a daily press pass to White House Briefings for over two years.
In a press briefing on Feb. 10th, White House Press Secretary McClellan claimed that Guckert was granted White House access because he "showed that he was representing a news organization that published regularly." (emphasis added).
However, Talon News came into existence on March 29, 2003. It was granted White House Press Corps access just four days (approx. 96 hours) later. During that four-day time period, Talon News published a total of nine "stories."
During briefings, Guckert's questions frequently revealed not only his conservative bias, but also a possible coordination with White House Press Secretary McClellan. Guckert's questions were frequently leading, unabashedly partisan, and at times inflammatory. Moreover, Guckert apparently had unprecedented access, and even claimed at one point to be "entertaining the Prime Minister of Great Britain."
The researchers at DailyKos discovered another issue that suggested close coordination with the administration. According to the Washington Post, Guckert may have had access to a leaked internal CIA memo which revealed the identity of Ambassador Joe Wilson's wife, then an undercover CIA operative. In fact, because of his possible tie to the leak, Guckert was one of a small number to be subpoenaed to testify in the federal grand jury investigation into the matter.
The Guckert incident is part of a larger story involving attempts on the administration's part to "plant" friendly commentators and journalists in the media to advance their political agenda. In the last month, investigations have revealed that in addition to having an illegitimate conservative "reporter" in its Press Corps:
* The Bush Administration paid conservative commentator Armstrong Williams $240,000 to advocate the No Child Left Behind Act , even though previous to the payments, he was publicly critical of the policy. Williams has since admitted that "there are others" paid by the government to promote its agenda.
* The Bush Administration also paid conservative commentator Maggie Gallagher, who claims no credentials as a marriage expert, to promote its traditional marriage agenda.
Recently, in a letter to President Bush, Representative Louise M. Slaughter (NY-28) demanded an explanation, writing that "'Mr. Gannon' is a Republican political operative, uses a false name, has phony or questionable journalistic credentials, is known for plagiarizing much of the `news' he reports, and according to several web reports, may have ties to the promotion of the prostitution of military personnel." Rep. Slaughter asked the President to answer the critical question: "why the individual known as `Mr. Gannon' was repeatedly cleared by your staff to join the legitimate White House press corps?"
Additionally, Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ) has written a letter to White House Press Secretary McClellan, asking for the immediate release of all documents relating to Guckert's credentials. Senator Lautenberg, echoing the sentiment of many concerned citizens, has asked for an explanation of "how Mr. Guckert/Gannon passed muster for White House press credentials."
DailyKos is an online community, with over 40,000 members. Membership is free, and the site is one of the web's most popular political websites, with an average 470,000 hits per day. The research was conducted and this statement was released by DailyKos Diarists, not officially associated with Markos Moulitsas, but working with his full support.
What IS a reporter,,guess that depends on your definition of "is" doesn't it?
How about Weapons of Mass Destruction? Hmmmm,,guess that's a concept with hazy lines.
In these days of changing threats it's not easy to pick and choose what is a WMD. The defining rhetoric better be the one with power. It's a Battle of Perceptions out there,,be careful where you point those things. JeffJim, another soldier in the Battle of Perceptions takes a fall,,a silent moment please.
WHITE HOUSE SPOKESMAN: WHAT IS A REPORTER?
Thu Feb 10 2005 20:49:03 ET
White House spokesman Scott McClellan On Thursday challenged liberal media activists, who are currently feigning outrage over events surrounding "Jeff Gannon," to examine the definition of reporter in the new century.
"In this day and age, when you have a changing media, it's not an easy issue to decide or try to pick and choose who is a journalist. It gets into the issue of advocacy journalism," McClellan said.
km gresham
02-11-2005, 09:44 AM
Yep. The bloggers outed Dan Rather and they're all over news stories pointing out false information and stories the usual media outlets won't touch. I'd say it's a new era in reporting. And some "reporters" are having trouble adjusting.
An example:
The Blogs Beat the Bigs Again
How often does this happen?
by Hugh Hewitt
02/10/2005 12:18:00 AM
"CHRIS MATTHEWS looked at you like you were Grover Norquist," a very senior Democratic operative commented on my appearance at Matthews' weekend show. During the segment where Matthews asks his panel to tell them something he doesn't know, I predicted a breakout this week into mainstream media of the controversy surrounding Eason Jordan's statements about the U.S. military "targeting" journalists in Iraq made at Davos on January 27. My friend meant to convey that Matthews thought I shared with Grover a "not to be trusted," hostile disposition towards big media. In fact, all I had was a habit of reading the blogs.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/240ovtmu.asp
[ 02-11-2005, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: km gresham ]
Scott McClellan is being a little dishonest....
There are a number of people in that room that express their points of view...The problem isn't that people are expressing their points of view -- the problem is that they are being paid to present his point of view.
Opinions and bias in journalism are one thing -- but having the president, his party, or his administration pay for it is very different.
Clinton may have had his supporters, but he won them fair and square, with intellect and charisma. He didn't pay anyone. Not with his money, not with the party's money and not with taxpayer money.
rbgarr
02-11-2005, 10:49 AM
Gluckert says he resigned from Talon because he was receiving hate mail and death threats. Where is the courage he so loudly proclaims in his 'mission statement' quoted on his now-defunct website quoted above?
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Karen,,who can send your fellow citizen to war,,Dan Rather or the president?
Ian McColgin
02-11-2005, 04:33 PM
Nice attempt at distraction with Jordan's nutsey rant, but Karen might have chosen a less deceptivly self-serving rant than Hugh Hewitt's. The guy is still trying to hide the fact that it was the very liberal and gay Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank who outed the emptiness of Jordan's claim right on the stage, right on the panel, live real time.
All the regressive Republican commentators are trying to place Jordan as a liberal, which he's not anyway but he once was an ok journalist and I really can't figure what happened to his soul here, and trying to hide from the fact that it was Congress's most out there liberal who exposed him.
nothing like connecting the dots. For a good time follow the slime to TalonNews/GOPUSA/Eberle Communications Group.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502110007#4
How exactly was Gannon allowed into the press briefing room?
McClellan has said, "I don't think it's the role of the press secretary to get into picking or choosing who gets press credentials." Does he really mean to imply that if, say, incoming Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean were to ask, he would be allowed into presidential press conferences?
Would Bush call on Dean? Would he answer Dean's question?
What if Dean first paid $50 for a two-day journalism course at the right-wing Leadership Institute, like Gannon did?
What if Dean started calling himself "Harry Dixon" instead of using his real name?
Gannon apparently obtained a copy of classified documents regarding CIA operative Plame. What specific steps is President Bush taking to ensure that his administration never again illegally hands classified documents that reveal the identity of covert operatives over to someone using a pseudonym?
Given that Gannon was using a pseudonym, the administration official who apparently gave him the classified documents presumably did not know his true identity -- McClellan himself claimed he only "recently" became aware that Gannon is not his real name. What are the national security implications of someone running around the halls of the White House, using an assumed identity while talking to people with security clearance about CIA operatives?
Did Gannon's misrepresentation of his identity constitute a security breach?
Was anything illegal done -- other than the disclosure of Plame's identity in apparent violation of the law?
Did the White House use Gannon to disseminate any other controversial or illegal materials?
When did McClellan find out Gannon was using a pseudonym? When did others on the White House staff find out? Who in the press office decided to allow Gannon into briefings?
Why did Gannon use a "daily pass" nearly every day for two years, rather than obtaining a "hard pass"? Was this an "end-around" the normal process, designed to hide the fact that a partisan operative was posing as a "journalist"?
At least one reporter -- The Washington Post's Dana Milbank -- has said he believes he saw Gannon walking around with a "hard pass." Which is correct? Will the White House release any and all documents relating to Gannon's visits to the White House?
President Bush is notoriously disinclined to hold press conferences, and even more notoriously likes to befriend the reporters who cover him. The Bush White House is also well-known for scripting Bush's every move. Is it really plausible that Gannon has been covering the White House for two years, and was able to ask Bush a question at a briefing, without Bush knowing who he is?
Did Gannon ever travel with the rest of the White House press corps? Did he accompany Bush to Crawford, Texas, or on any other trips away from Washington? Did he fly on Air Force One?
Who else regularly attends White House press briefings using "daily passes"? Do any of them, like Talon, pass off White House talking points as original reporting?
Talon is looking for a replacement for Gannon; will Talon again be allowed to send a fake reporter to briefings? Will he or she be called on?
[ 02-11-2005, 10:39 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]
Turns out that White House Chief of Personell has three bosses,,Andy Card, Karl Rove, GW(the prez). Her husband is on the board of GOP/USA(TalonNews).
whitehouse chief of personel (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64575-2005Jan10.html)
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