Status Check - 6 April 03 & Advice requested

[Ed Harrow]

http://home.fiam.net/eeharrow/4.1.03.jpg

This weekend was mostly about pushing and shoving, and wishing I had another pair of stands. Maybe it's like clamps and screws, in the case of the former you always need more, and, in the case of the latter, there is always one more... Oh, and we have the Foster Monster visiting for a couple of days, a real progress-limiting engagement... Yikes! :eek: :eek:

Question 1: The rudder. Should I remove it sooner or later? The bottom of the rudder is hung on the deadwood. I could either just lower the rudder, or support it in place, but sooner or later it's got to come out.

Question 2: I think it would be very advantageous to run some 2x stock between the stand pads and the hull, from stand to stand. What say yee (besides "You should have done that before.").

[mmd]

Hi, Ed.

1.) Sooner, unless it is easier later. Access will be easier around the stern without it and if it ain't there, ya can't smack it with an errant timber and mar it.

2.) Normally pairs of jackstands have a chain shackled between them under the boat so they can't be knocked away easily. Big safety thing; do in now, IMHO.

[Walcheren]

What am I looking at apart from pouch? Dirk

[Figment]

Ed,

I'm sure someone who knows much more than me will weigh in on your questions, so I'll keep quiet.

I just wanted to post my gratitude for the return of the "status check" threads. I can only imagine your feelings on finally having that ballast down in the cradle!

[Ed Harrow]

LOL, those stands are chained every way for Sunday... Definately put some side loads :eek: on them in the jacking/ballast dropping operation. I'd probably be looking like a squashed tomali (sp?) now if they weren't.

Thanks for your concern! smile.gif

Dirk, you're looking at 6300 pounds of ballast that we just lowered off the keel. We jacked the whole kit and kabootle (sp?) up, the lowered the cradle and ballast down onto pipe rollers on top of 2x so that I can (I hope) move it out of the way. You can click on my home page link to get more of the story. The page is screwed up, but at least there are pictures from this year posted.

[ 04-06-2003, 11:34 PM: Message edited by: Ed Harrow ]

[Thad]

Q1: what mmd said
Q2: I assume you are talking about spreading the load between the stands. I think 2x is too heavy, these pieces would need to bend at least as easily as her planking. In any case you shouldn't need to do this, just keep the backbone well supported, don't have too much or uneven pressure on the stands, and place the stands where there is good structure inside the hull.

[Mr. Know It All]

Great to see pictures again Ed. :cool:
Our friend Finbar looks great and the project seems to be coming along nicely.
Good for you and best of luck.
Peace----> Kevin in Ohio

[nedL]

Ed, it's good to see Finbar back at work ;) (are you going to put a harness on him like one of those sled dogs to pull the ballast out of the way?)
As Thad said, If you have the jack stands against solid structure inside (bulkheads right up against the planking)I wouldn't think you would need to do much else. I do understand your concern about inducing 'flat spots' at each stand pad & would think the 2x idea would help that. I would think that you would want something stiffer than planking stock as you want to distribute some of the load along the 2x.
Just my .02 -- Great progress (We need a green smiley for "green with envey") :D

[Ken Hutchins]

Ed. I have a several harnesses left from my sled-dogging days, I'm sure 1 will fit.
Otherwise I agree get the rudder out of the way.

[Ian McColgin]

I think once the keel is dropped far enough and slid out, you'll be able to jack against the wooden keel enough to get some longitudinal support from stand to stand, as you think. I don't think 2x4 will be too stiff. You're spreading the stress longitudinally frame to fram. Unless you cupped it inside, a wider plank would not really bear on the hull any broader than a 2x4 anyway, and a 2x4 has some bend.

I'd get the keel out of the way and make sure that all the stands will stay up like bracing your pit when you dig the rudder pit. That'll be a real horror show.

G'luck

[John Bell]

I've been reading (and enjoying) Ed's 'status' threads for quite a long time. But it occurs to me that I have no idea why he's taking his boat apart. Can y'all remind what all's getting fixed? smile.gif

[Donn]

John...I'll wager that Ed asks himself the same question now and then. ;)

[nedL]

Ed's just doing a routine Gronnicle upgrade job. ;)

[Wayne Jeffers]

Ed,

I'm glad to see another update. I hope it will be a regular feature again. I see Finbar does not look worried. ;)

Give Zach a hug from Michelle and me.

JB,

See http://home.fiam.net/eeharrow/phoenix,.htm for a list of repairs Phoenix needs.

Wayne

[Concordia..41]

Finbar power :D - just harness Finbar to the ballast keel and get one of those rabbit things they use at the greyhound parks and he'll have the ballast halfway down the street quick as a ;)

On the jackstand question - what everyone else has said about supporting at the bulkheads, etc. Plus, just check them by eye every now and then. The shipwright that owns the yard where we are will come down and visit, and the whole time he's there, he's just looking at her lines. At first I was really self conscious cause it seemed like he was checking our work, but now it's kinda cool - I try to follow what he's looking at as his eyes run back and forth over her (and hope they don't settle on something I recently butchered).

A couple of times in the scanning process he's glanced at a jackstand and said, "ya' might wanna take that back a turn"

Sure enough, I'll look and (after having it pointed out) it's perfectly obvious that she's settled a little and a jackstand is pressing in a couple of planks - back off a turn and they come back into place.

- M

[ 04-07-2003, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: Concordia..41 ]

[John Bell]

Thanks for the link.

Wow. What a lovely boat, certainly worth the effort.

All I'd seen up to now was a shot of a black bow sticking out of "Our Lady"...