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ishmael
03-21-2003, 09:12 PM
Minute After Minute
The Missiles Came...
With Devastating Shrieks
By Robert Fisk in Baghdad
The Independent - UK
3-21-3

Saddam's main presidential palace, a great rampart of a building 20 storeys high, simply exploded in front of me - a cauldron of fire, a 100ft sheet of flame and a sound that had my ears singing for an hour after. The entire, massively buttressed edifice shuddered under the impact. Then four more cruise missiles came in.

It is the heaviest bombing Baghdad has suffered in more than 20 years of war. All across the city last night, massive explosions shook the ground. To my right, the Ministry of Armaments Procurement - a long colonnaded building looking much like the façade of the Pentagon - coughed fire as five missiles crashed into the concrete.

In an operation officially intended to create "shock and awe'', shock was hardly the word for it. The few Iraqis in the streets around me - no friends of Saddam I would suspect - cursed under their breath.

>From high-rise buildings, shops and homes came the thunder of crashing glass as the shock waves swept across the Tigris river in both directions. Minute after minute the missiles came in. Many Iraqis had watched - as I had - television film of those ominous B-52 bombers taking off from Britain only six hours earlier. Like me, they had noted the time, added three hours for Iraqi time in front of London and guessed that, at around 9pm, the terror would begin. The B-52s, almost certainly firing from outside Iraqi airspace, were dead on time.

Police cars drove at speed through the streets, their loudspeakers ordering pedestrians to take shelter or hide under cover of tall buildings. Much good did it do. Crouching next to a block of shops on the opposite side of the river, I narrowly missed the shower of glass that came cascading down from the upper windows as the shock waves slammed into them.

Along the streets a few Iraqis could be seen staring from balconies, shards of broken glass around them. Each time one of the great golden bubbles of fire burst across the city, they ducked inside before the blast wave reached them. At one point, as I stood beneath the trees on the corniche, a wave of cruise missiles passed low overhead, the shriek of their passage almost as devastating as the explosions that were
to follow.

How, I ask myself, does one describe this outside the language of a military report, the definition of the colour, the decibels of the explosions? When the cruise missiles came in it sounded as if someone was ripping to pieces huge curtains of silk in the sky and the blast waves became a kind of frightening counterpoint to the flames.

There is something anarchic about all human beings, about their reaction to violence. The Iraqis around me stood and watched, as I did, at huge tongues of flame bursting from the upper stories of Saddam's palace, reaching high into the sky. Strangely, the electricity grid continued to operate and around us the traffic lights continued to move between red and green. Billboards moved in the breeze of the shock waves and floodlights continued to blaze on public buildings. Above us we could see the massive curtains of smoke beginning to move over Baghdad, white from the explosions, black from the burning targets.

How could one resist it? How could the Iraqis ever believe with their broken technology, their debilitating 12 years of sanctions, that they could defeat the computers of these missiles and of these aircraft? It was the same old story: irresistible, unquestionable power.

Well yes, one could say, could one attack a more appropriate regime? But that is not quite the point. For the message of last night's raid was the same as that of Thursday's raid, that of all the raids in the hours to come: that the United States must be obeyed. That the EU, UN, Nato - nothing - must stand in its way. Indeed can stand in its way.

No doubt this morning the Iraqi Minister of Information will address us all again and insist that Iraq will prevail. We shall see. But many Iraqis are now asking an obvious question: how many days? Not because they want the Americans or the British in Baghdad, though they may profoundly wish it. But because they want this violence to end: which, when you think of it, is exactly why these raids took place.

Reports were coming in last night of civilians killed in the raids - which, given the intensity of the cruise missile attacks, is not surprising. Another target turned out to be the vast Rashid military barracks, perhaps the largest in Iraq.

But the symbolic centre of this raid was clearly intended to be Saddam's main palace, with its villas, fountains, porticos and gardens. And, sure enough, the flames licking across the façade of the palace last night looked very much like a funeral pyre.


© 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=389497

Memphis Mike
03-21-2003, 09:24 PM
Good piece of discriptive reading.

TomFF
03-21-2003, 09:24 PM
Thanks for the report. Sobering stuff. It's important to note that the news only provides a slice of what's going on. There is also shock and awe in other cities/areas as well.

Pray for our troops
Pray for the people of Iraq

Bruce Taylor
03-21-2003, 09:29 PM
What Mike said.

shamus
03-21-2003, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by TomFF:


Pray for our troops
Pray for the people of IraqI know you mean it well, Tom, but who to? God? Allah? This is the work of man, at its worst. No respectable deity would allow it. I therefore decline to pray.

Dutch Rub
03-21-2003, 09:37 PM
but Shamus-Gods on our side......

LeeG
03-21-2003, 09:45 PM
prayer can be an opportunity to listen for the nature of god,,not necessarily a pleading for dispensation.
by the way dutch,,it's good to hear your voice.

[ 03-21-2003, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: LeeG ]

Captain Pre-Capsize
03-21-2003, 09:47 PM
Refusing to pray is quite understandable - even the God of the Bible understands why we protest at the madness around us at times. The ultimate in madness (from our human point of view) is sacraficing your only son for people to believe in, that then decline to do so. And after that God STILL loves us unconditionally - now there is amazing love! You might say He is the eternal optimist - always hopeful we will turn to Him.

shamus
03-21-2003, 10:23 PM
Dutch, I believe if God was involved we'd be beating the swords into ploughshares and the stealth bombers into musical instruments. Anyway we'd best not start a religious argument here, the potitics is enough. Lee & Captain- good points.

Native son
03-21-2003, 10:28 PM
Lots of Iraqs people are going to die. It will be Americas fault.

Captain Pre-Capsize
03-21-2003, 10:35 PM
Thanks Darryl, I feel so much better now about being an American. tongue.gif

Native son
03-21-2003, 10:40 PM
How could anyone feel good about that?

Meerkat
03-22-2003, 03:14 AM
Anybody still reporting from Bagdhad has got to be more eyewitless than eyewitness!

Andrew Craig-Bennett
03-22-2003, 04:30 AM
There is a disproportion here.

An immense sum of money is being spent on "smart" weapons so that civilian losses can be minimised. Almost certainly, the bombs and missiles falling on Baghdad cost more than the buildings they are destroying. It is notable that the Iraqi civilian population are not terrorised - they seem almost calm about the whole business. They actually trust us not to kill them, ecept by accident.

At the opposite pole, Al_Qaeda set out to kill as many civilians as possible, as horribly as possible, with weapons that cost almost nothing, with the intention of terrorising civilians.

There will, at some point, be a question about whether we can afford to fight like this. Not a nice thought.

[ 03-22-2003, 06:52 AM: Message edited by: Andrew Craig-Bennett ]

LaMess
03-22-2003, 05:25 AM
Impotence speaks from our 51st state.


How could anyone feel good about that?

doorstop
03-22-2003, 06:14 AM
Lots of Iraqis will die.
That will be Saddams fault, no-one elses.....

km gresham
03-22-2003, 06:30 AM
Lots of Iraqis HAVE died for years, and it is Saddam's fault. He didn't worry about trying to minimize death among the innocents.

I remember the horrid pictures of the men, women and children dead on the streets after his poison gas attack.

There will of course be accidental casualties in this war, but at least we are not targeting innocent people, and as we come through we and our allies bring food and medicine to people who have had too little of both for years.

I realize this makes no difference to some - they recognize no difference between accidental killing and intentional killing, but there it is anyway.

By the way do you guys sleep?!

On Vacation
03-22-2003, 06:38 AM
Will the U.S., Canada, France, Russia, Germany, peaceniks or the United Nations ever stop wars?
Nope. Read your history and you will find that we are just as violent in nature as the Romans were, in the good old days of rocks and stones. If you would read the Bible, and visit the mideast,you will become aware to this fact.

[ 03-22-2003, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: Oyster ]

huisjen
03-22-2003, 06:39 AM
I don't believe in a god.

Prayer may be another matter.

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/2.html

Dan

On Vacation
03-22-2003, 06:42 AM
Read about the Gladiators. Goes back a long time before smart bombs.