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10-12-2004, 08:03 AM
hmmm,,not nice to piss off the CIA

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Former senior CIA officials argue that so-called "neo-conservative" hawks such as the vice president, Dick Cheney, the secretary of defence, Donald Rumsfeld, and his number three at the defence department, Douglas Feith, have prompted the ill-feeling by demanding "politically acceptable" results from the agency and rejecting conclusions they did not like. Yet Colin Powell, the less hardline secretary of state, has also been scathing in his criticism of pre-war intelligence briefings.

The leaks are also a shot across the bows of Porter Goss, the agency's new director and a former Republican congressman. He takes over with orders from the White House to end the in-fighting and revamp the troubled spy agency as part of a radical overhaul of the American intelligence world.

Bill Harlow, the former CIA spokesman who left with the former director George Tenet in July, acknowledged that there had been leaks from within the agency. "The intelligence community has been made the scapegoat for all the failings over Iraq," he said. "It deserves some of the blame, but not all of it. People are chafing at that, and that's the background to these leaks."

Fighting to defend their patch ahead of the future review, anti-Bush CIA operatives have ensured that Iraq remains high on the election campaign agenda long after Republican strategists such as Karl Rove, the President's closest adviser, had hoped that it would fade from the front pages.

In the latest clash, a senior former CIA agent revealed that Mr Cheney "blew up" when a report into links between the Saddam regime and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the terrorist behind the kidnappings and beheadings of hostages in Iraq, including the Briton Kenneth Bigley, proved inconclusive.

Other recent leaks have included the contents of classified reports drawn up by CIA analysts before the invasion of Iraq, warning the White House about the dangers of post-war instability. Specifically, the reports said that rogue Ba'athist elements might team up with terrorist groups to wage a guerrilla war.

Critics of the White House include officials who have served in previous Republican administrations such as Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA head of counter-terrorism and member of the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan.

"These have been an extraordinary four years for the CIA and the political pressure to come up with the right results has been enormous, particularly from Vice-President Cheney.

"I'm afraid that the agency is guilty of bending over backwards to please the administration. George Tenet was desperate to give them what they wanted and that was a complete disaster."

With the simmering rows breaking out in public, the Wall Street Journal declared in an editorial that the administration was now fighting two insurgencies: one in Iraq and one at the CIA.

[ 10-12-2004, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: LeeG ]

10-12-2004, 09:41 AM
Why do you fill the pages of Misc with such BS? :confused: Nobody reads these...nobody responds. :rolleyes:


10-12-2004, 11:02 AM
it's misc. nonboat,,and to quote Jack,,"these people should be heard".

The fact that the CIA sends a high profile diplomat like Joe Wilson to disprove the president on yellow cake purchases is a clue the president is doing something contrary to the CIAs mission,,got it?
It's like a former Sectretary of the Treasurey needing to write a book describing how GW went to war. Or THE WHITEHOUSE expert on Counterterrorism doing the same.
Corporate america running the Pentagon has postives and negatives,,one of the negatives is what happens to the employees when the new owner comes in and increases the bean count without consideration of the conservative values in these organizations that have developed over time to do their job.
There's a difference between a leader taking a people where they don't want to go for their own good because they're safely insulated from the threats of the world and a leader taking a country to far from it's citizens ability to support that vision. The Vietnam war is a simple example that sending people off to kill people to make them free from communism didn't sit well with citizens or soldiers. It doesn't look that straight up in Iraq either given the screw-ups to secure that country on the cheap with shifting goals at the outset.

10-12-2004, 02:28 PM
Thanks for posting the article Lee.


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