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wharfrat
06-28-2002, 03:21 PM
My 22 foot sailboat has an aluminium mast with single shrouds. The lower set fit into the tang, which also incorporates a socket for the aluminium spreader. The name of this part eludes me; I’ll refer to it as a tang/spreader plate. It is stainless steel and is riveted to the flat sided oval mast. The port side spreader has been knocked backwards by something unforgiving and is about on a 10 degrees further aft angle than the STB spreader.
The damage is a twisted tang/spreader plate, which has popped one of the forward rivets and dinted in the mast. I would say the dint is about 3 inches long and about 3/8 inch in depth at it's deepest point (created by the edge of the tang/spreader plate). The dint is at the aft edge of the tang/spreader plate right underneath it, still on the flat side of the mast just as it starts to round off. I got the tang/spreader plate off and two of the 1/4 inch holes that the rivots went through have significent cracks around them.
My last option is to cut the mast at the dint which is have way up the 27 foot mast (3"X6") and insert a sleeve after getting the dint out and machine screwing it all back together. However first I would like to get the dint out with out cutting the mast in half. Perhaps by tapping it out with a long drift from the holes on the other side where the other tang/spreader bracket is rivoted on. This will have to come off anyway if I cut the mast in half. Then I would like to shape a piece of aluminium to the contour of the inside of the mast and aluminium weld studs to it in the same position as the existing holes for the tang/spreader plate. Then I intend to slide the reinforcing shaped plate down the mast with a long stick with a clamp devise on the end. with the mast lying with the damaged side down hopefully the studs will position themselves in the holes of the mast and I will be able to get nuts on them and then put on the tang/spreader plate and tighten them up using anti seize. The problem I see is the lack of strength of the aluminium studs which will be threaded. Stainless Steel would be better but then how would I fasten them to the aluminium reinforcing plate. (plate must be tight to the inside of the mast) The plate could be SS but then it would be difficult to shape it to contour of the inside of the oval mast.
I could go with a solid piece of aluminium for the inside reinforcement (say 3" thick and shape it and then tap holes in the appropriate places in line with the tang/spreader holes and then use Stainless Steel 1/4" bolts with Anti seize. If I make it about 16" or 2 feet in length I would then drill many holes in say four rows and machine screw through the mast into the solid piece above and below the splice

If anyone has any other suggestions or thoughts on the subject it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you to any and all that reply

Paul Scheuer
06-28-2002, 04:11 PM
Warf: I think I'd be thinking about an outside reinforcement. New metal In place of, or under the "plates", formed to the outside contour of the mast. Something like a splint, with enough material to make up for the lost strength caused by the deformation and tearing at the rivet holes. I envision a cylinder with an open slot for the sail slot or track, with many screws. Maybe about two inches longer than the damaged area. If done well this could look like it belonged there. The King's Cruiser had a massive fitting at what I believe is called the "hounds", wrapped around its wooden mast, that incorporated the spreader sockets, jib halyard sheave and the attachment points for the lower stays.

You could probably pull the dents out using what's left of the rivet holes easier than trying to punch them out from the inside, (or other side).

And Warf, when the word "hopefully" appears in connection with a plan of action, I get weak in the knees. " hopefully the studs will position themselves in the holes of the mast and I will be able to get nuts on them and- - - " . Good Luck.

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kria
06-28-2002, 05:41 PM
Hi Wharfrat,

I agree with paul that an external repair is the only realistically acheivable repair option. I think would only use rivets as fastenings as the mast wall will be to thin to engage enough thread on a machine screw.

Mainly I think replacement of the spar would probably be the best option. Maybe you can find a suitable 2nd hand replacement rig.

Cheers
Ian



Cheers

Ian

Bruce Hooke
06-28-2002, 05:55 PM
I agree with the idea of trying to pull the dent back out from the outside. However, this still might require getting something down inside temporarily to pull against. But, that might be easier than trying to fit a permenant patch on the inside. If you can pull it back out you might be able to take care of any cracks with a little welding...

donald branscom
02-17-2007, 06:21 PM
I agree with the idea of trying to pull the dent back out from the outside. However, this still might require getting something down inside temporarily to pull against. But, that might be easier than trying to fit a permenant patch on the inside. If you can pull it back out you might be able to take care of any cracks with a little welding...

I agree with a patch with rivets, just the same as an airplane is repaired.
Welding would require sanding off any anodising before welding and a weld in aluminum is only 60% strength of the parent metal. there would be some shrikage and warpage. The HAZ's(heat affected zone) could be a weak point.

Jay Greer
02-17-2007, 06:28 PM
If you can adapt a slide hammer to the job, you might be able to yank the dent out. I have seen it done by welding a tab to the center of the dent and attaching the tool to it. You might be able to position a nut or plate inside and screw in an eye bolt to attach the slide hammer to.
JG

kc8pql
02-17-2007, 08:52 PM
I got the tang/spreader plate off and two of the 1/4 inch holes that the rivets went through have significant cracks around them.


That would bother me more than the dent. Mast alloys aren't very malleable. Cracks tend to grow once they start and you may just start another one when you try to pull the dent. I'd cut it and put in an internal sleeve, particularly with damage at the spreaders. See the current (March) issue of Cruising World, page 80, for just such a repair.