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Memphis Mike
12-22-2002, 02:45 PM
Head Games
Doe with antlers stuns Texas hunters

By Bob Hood
Fort Worth Star-Telegram
December 22, 2002

If there ever was anyone who knew how to score a big white-tailed buck on the hoof, it was Ramiro Torres of Zapata, Texas. But something happened that crisp, fall morning in the southwest Texas brush country that threw his calculations to the wind.

An avid sportsman and hunting outfitter, Torres has bagged more trophy bucks than most people would ever see in a traveling display of mounted trophy deer heads. He grew judicious about which deer he would shoot on the Webb and Zapata county ranches where he hunted.

But on that still morning, with coyotes wailing in the distance and javelinas stripping shreds of prickly pear nearby, Torres experienced a surprise of a lifetime - a chance encounter with a deer unlike any he had ever seen.

Bryan Dorsey of Fort Worth knows how Torres must have felt that morning because he had a similar experience last weekend. But it's a feeling that few hunters will ever share.

I was hunting in a blind about 400 yards from Torres when I heard the crack of his .30-06 rifle. It was followed by a dull thud, and I knew his shot had been on the mark. I didn't have to look at my watch to see what time it was. The sun had only begun rising above the low, thick brush five minutes earlier.

The fact that Torres had shot a deer so early didn't surprise me, but what did surprise me was the sound of his pickup truck coming down the sandy road toward my blind about 20 minutes later. He had told me earlier he would hunt until around 11 a.m., and then come to my stand to pick me up.

By the time I climbed down from the blind, Torres had stopped beneath me and was dragging the deer from the bed of the truck onto the ground, talking so rapidly I couldn't understand a word he was saying.

And then I saw the antlers - a symmetrical eight-point set that still was in the velvet, most unusual for a late November buck. And that's when Torres finally slowed in his excitement and his words became understandable.

"It's an eight-point doe!" Torres exclaimed. "A doe!"

Indeed, except for the fact that it had antlers, the deer had all the other characteristics that make a doe a doe.

We took pictures then loaded the animal back into the pickup and took it to town. By late afternoon, that deer had been viewed by more people than I thought lived in Zapata County.

Dorsey knows how Torres felt. A week ago Saturday, Dorsey bagged an antlered doe while hunting near Brady.

Dorsey's deer sported a 10-point rack with hardened antlers, not ones in the velvet. Taxidermist Robert Sutton said the deer field-dressed at 135 pounds and had a 17-inch spread, with its longest tines measuring 10d inches.

"It was late Saturday evening, and I saw the deer come out of the brush following a doe," Dorsey said. "It wasn't after the doe, just following her. I mistook the 10-pointer for a big buck I had seen the previous morning, but after I shot it, I realized it wasn't the same buck."

Unlike Torres's antlered doe, the unusual deer killed by Dorsey had female sex organs and one testicle. Because of the size of the antlers, Sutton said it appears the deer had grown antlers, dropped them, then grown new antlers.

Wildlife biologists say such abnormalities among deer are caused by a hormonal imbalance.

How was the deer tagged? Because both Torres's and Dorsey's deer sported antlers, Texas law requires them to be tagged and recorded as bucks. The other tags available on a hunting license as well as regulations regarding what deer might be harvested are for "antlerless deer."

Doesn't this make you a little "uneasy" Stan? :D

imported_Conrad
12-22-2002, 03:00 PM
Ah, it just confirms what all of us guys have suspected for a long time- women (sic) everywhere are getting more aggressive! :D I don't have to tell ya what they're gonna grow next, 'cause you already suspect that too!! :eek:

ishmael
12-22-2002, 03:08 PM
There has been an increase in androgeny across the animal spectrum. Some scientists are speculating it's because of synthetic estrogen analogues that are used in many chemical brews, including pesticides.

This might be just the kind of critter that would get Stanley's blood pressure up. :D

We shouldn't be so cruel to a fellow not here to defend himself. But what the hell.

Mrleft8
12-22-2002, 03:37 PM
I kinda figured most Texans were "switch hitters" anyway....

NormMessinger
12-22-2002, 05:02 PM
A fella out in western Nebraska found his buck to be a girl too. Picture in the paper showed it to be an unusually nice rack which is why it made the news. Little antlers on a female is unusual but not rare.

--Norm

stan v
12-22-2002, 05:43 PM
Hey was this buck/doe a:

1. A buck that wanted to be a doe?

2. A doe that wanted to be a buck?

3. Are you sure it wasn't shot in the Austin area? (Austin is the most liberal town in Texas) ;)

Wild Wassa
12-23-2002, 07:02 AM
If I was a Bambi and the rule was to only take bucks (Roo cullers have issues like this), ... I'd tuck them away and be an aggressive female.

Warren.

ps, Train Bambi to roll over ... and check again.

[ 12-23-2002, 08:36 AM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]

Don Olney
12-23-2002, 08:35 AM
What's so odd about a good looking doe with a nice rack?

brad9798
12-23-2002, 12:05 PM
Speaking of BAMBI-

Wasn't BAMBI a buck in the original movie ...

Think of all those poor girls (although most are probably strippers ;) ) named BAMBI.

Named after a male deer, what cute little girl name. :rolleyes:

John Gearing
12-23-2002, 12:22 PM
If these guys are right, we men seem to be selecting women that are androgynous!
:confused: :confused:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993204

Eric Sea Frog
12-23-2002, 02:09 PM
And polar bears, they say...
Remember the song?
I wanna be yar teddy bear !

Mrleft8
12-23-2002, 08:40 PM
A female with a nice rack in Texas isn't all that hard to find usually is it? :D

Shang
12-23-2002, 11:15 PM
You can roll a polar bear over to check his gronicles if you want to, but it doesn't sound like a good idea from here!

Katherine
06-29-2005, 09:31 PM
So, does Sue have antlers? :eek:

Bob Cleek
06-29-2005, 11:31 PM
Musta been another doe trapped in a buck's body!

Gary E
06-30-2005, 09:48 AM
More that that is screwie in Texas

LOL