haddock

[Hughman]

I bought some haddock for chowder that had a distinct iodine smell.

Other fish from the same batch didn't have this odor.

what causes this?

[ 03-16-2005, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Hughman ]

[Mrleft8]

Iodine

[Hughman]

Thanks, Doug :D

[martin schulz]

Ahh yes I remember...

Captain Haddock:

http://images.google.de/images?q=tbn:cItvAJfhR5QJ:www.bonniercarlsen.se/Blandat/Tintin/haddock.gif
http://images.google.de/images?q=tbn:h9HE8LR6_tAJ:www.utc.fr/~aupetit/icon/haddock.gif

[ 03-16-2005, 09:40 AM: Message edited by: martin schulz ]

[Mrleft8]

Originally posted by Hughman:
Thanks, Doug :D No problem! Any time! Glad I could help!
:D

[Donn]

Originally posted by Mrleft8:
Iodine:D

It's correct, as well as funny. Haddock is very high in iodine. Chances are that you either have some old fat Haddock, or it's liver was ruptured during processing.

[Hughman]

Originally posted by Donn:
[QB Chances are that you either have some old fat Haddock, or it's liver was ruptured during processing.[/QB]I think this is the answer I was hoping for. I wondered if there was a diet related or a processing related answer to this question. I didn't think I was getting old/bad fish from this dealer.

Thanks, Donn smile.gif

[Hughman]

Originally posted by popeye:
another possiblity is the fish monger used a sanitizer with iodine, some use bleach, either is ok with copious amounts of rinse water. idaphor? i think is the trade name.I tried to rinse the fillets to remove the smell, but no luck. The fish was returned to the dealer for a different fish which had no such smell. He couldn't smell the difference....

Idaphor googles as a brewery sanitizer. I'll check some more

[huisjen]

I've got a bottle of B-T-F brand Iodophor Sanitizer right here. It's part of my brewing supplies, except I use bleach instead. It claims to be odorless. The only thing I smell when I sniff it is the Simple Green that I used to clean the tractor grease off my hands half an hour ago.

Dan

[Donn]

"I didn't think I was getting old/bad fish from this dealer." When I said old fat Haddock, I meant old when it was caught, a very large Haddock. The larger they are, the more iodine in 'em.

I love good Haddock. My next door neighbor goes out to the banks once in a while, and brings back too much Haddock. Last year, I was trading him Lettuce and Snow Pea pods for his extras.

[Jack Heinlen]

How are the haddock stocks?

The Friday all you can eat haddock fry is a venerable tradition around these parts. Usually around nine bucks, less in the off season when the tourists are gone. I haven't been in a long time, but when it's done right it's GOOD! Mmm, coleslaw, fries and fish. There's a place in Bucksport that I may just try this week.

And speaking of fish, I've not seen monkfish in the case at the grocery in a coon's age. When I first moved to Maine twenty years ago monkfish was really cheap. Poor man's lobster was what Mainers called it. It has a firm texture not unlike lobster. Then it caught on with the rich and famous, the price went up, and now I don't see it at all. Wonder if it's been fished too hard? :rolleyes:

[George.]

Tonnere de Brest! Iconoclaste! Anthropophage! Zulu! :D

[Donn]

Haddock stocks look good. (http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/sos/spsyn/pg/haddock/)

I got hooked on it on the Friday deals, when I lived in Camillus. We bought the fried fillets, and my mother served it with spaghetti. Yum! To this day, fresh fish with a side of spaghetti is one of my favorite meals.

Monkfish facts (http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries/education/monkfish/monkfish.html)

[StevenBauer]

I saw Monkfish at Harbor Fish Market (http://www.harborfish.com) last week. If anyone coming to Portland this weekend hasn't been to a really good fish market lately they should stop in and check it out.

http://www.harborfish.com/images/retflag.jpg

http://www.harborfish.com/images/store3.jpg

[captain's gig]

now see, obviously, to my mind, the guy is trying to brew haddock flavored beer.

it's fillet time.

[huisjen]

Un-freaking-likely!

[huisjen]

Originally posted by Jack Heinlen:
How are the haddock stocks?

The Friday all you can eat haddock fry is a venerable tradition around these parts. Usually around nine bucks, less in the off season when the tourists are gone. I haven't been in a long time, but when it's done right it's GOOD! Mmm, coleslaw, fries and fish. There's a place in Bucksport that I may just try this week.Haddock stocks are said to be very good. There's a boom coming when one particular cohort matures in a few years.

Katey has been agitating to go to The Brooklin Inn for his all-you-can-eat on Friday, but she's open minded on this. What's the place in Bucksport have to offer?

Dan

[Jack Heinlen]

What's the place in Bucksport have to offer? I'm not sure Dan. I've had breakfast there a few times, typical greasy spoon fare, and a burger that was forgettable. Not much I guess. ;) But they have a fishfry every Friday, year round. Sometimes unremarkable places do a fishfry right. It's on the main drag, just up from Bangor Savings, on the river side. If I go, I'll report back.

There is a place in Stockton Springs that has a daily AYCE at lunch time, or did a couple years ago. It was good. I can't remember the name, Sue's Place? Right off of One, you can't miss it.

[huisjen]

It's not AYCE, but Katey has become fairly fond of the haddock sandwiches at The Bagaduce Lunch, which is only open in the summer, right next to Bagaduce Falls. The first time she ordered one, she had expected a processed patty. Instead she was issued a hamburger bun with a breaded fish fillet sticking out 4" to either side, still very much shaped like a large fish.

Dan

[Hughman]

SWMBO makes wicked good haddock chowder. She doesnt even eat it herself, and makes a kind of shrimp bisque with fresh local shrimp to be companionable. Remarkable!

Served with yellow corn bread, butter, and honey. Makes me get downright immoderate. I add chopped green onions and pepper.

[Popeye]

don't mean to belabour this .. but .. it is the bilge afterall. the 'iodine' smell may not infact be produced by the metal 'iodine' being present. consider there are solvents in iodine sanitizer solutions and bleach solutions. either can cause phenols (chlorophenols) and phenolic compounds which are really described as iodine smelly, (think of a bandaid smell).

this makes me think also of ammonia smells often associated with fish stalls too. ammonia like smells can come from rotting fish , not always the piece you pick up, but maybe from some small chunk missed from the previous days clean-out.

ammonia is also a refrigerant commonly used in the processing, a small leak will will be very apparent, especially in fish whitings.

[ 03-17-2005, 07:58 AM: Message edited by: popeye ]

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

the metal 'iodine' I think not.
Elemental Iodine is a halogen - not a metal.

[Mrleft8]

... Not tonight honey, I have a haddock...

[Popeye]

Originally posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I think not.
Elemental Iodine is a halogen - not a metal.</font>[/QUOTE]better be sure.

A halogen is properly an electro-negative element or radical, which, by combination with a metal, forms a haloid salt; especially, chlorine,
bromine, and iodine (a metal).

[martin schulz]

Originally posted by George.:
Tonnere de Brest! Iconoclaste! Anthropophage! Zulu! :D :D I guess the others here are more or less Disney indoctrinated...

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

Better be sure...
The Halogens (http://www.chemsoc.org/viselements/pages/data/intro_groupvii_data.html)

[Popeye]

is table salt a metal?

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

is table salt a metal? No. It's a Metal Halide - sodium chloride (NaCl).
The Metal componant is the Sodium (Na) and the Halogen is Chlorine (Cl).

I have seen "Iodised" table salt on sale - same stuff with a small quantity of Sodium Iodide (NaI) added.

The so-called low-sodium table salts replace some of the Sodium with Potassium.

[John Bell]

I knew my chemistry degree would be good for something!

No, table salt NaCl is not a metal. It is a salt. It is a salt of an alkali metal and a halogen. Only certain elemental substances can be considered a metal. Anything else is either a non-metal or a compound.

Looking at the periodic table, metallic character of elements generally increases as you go down the table and decreases as you go to the right of the table. Metals are generally distinguished by their ability to conduct heat and electricity, as well as having a tendency to form positive ions. Metals are also both ductile (can be drawn into a wire) and malleable (can be hammered into flat sheets).

Halogens don't do any of those things above. Most notably is that they all form strong negative ions which is what allows them to form salts with all the positively charged metal ions. Were it otherwise, there'd be no table salt!

One thing about iodine is that it does not last long in an elemental form around organic molecules. Halogenation of alkenes is about the easiest and fastest chemical reaction possible. That's one reason halogens work so well as disinfectants. The immediately react with any organics, like the cell walls of bacteria, which disrupts them so much they simply die.

[ 03-17-2005, 09:33 AM: Message edited by: John Bell ]

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

Name: iodine
Symbol: I
Atomic number: 53
Atomic weight: 126.90447 (3)
CAS Registry ID: 7553-56-2
Group number: 17
Group name: Halogen
Period number: 5
Block: p-block

[JimD]

But haddock is a fish, right?

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

Pardon, I'm a little hard of herring.

[JimD]

The music is too loud. Turn down the bass.

[Popeye]

Metals are also both ductile (can be drawn into a wire) and malleable (can be hammered into flat sheets) like mercury and calcium.

elemental I and I2 has metallic properties like luster and has radioactive isotopes. It's simply in a group called halogens.

free ranging in the enviroment, like heavy metals, it bio-accumulates in fish and thyroid glands. it is a metal.

why does chlorine, bromine (halogens) not accumulate in organic tissue.? http://www.chemtopics.com/elements/halogen/i.jpg

[ 03-17-2005, 10:21 AM: Message edited by: popeye ]

[Mrleft8]

Originally posted by JimD:
The music is too loud. Turn down the bass.Yer just being shellfish!

[Hughman]

I'll have more chowder just for the halibut.

[John Bell]

Sorry, popeye, but you are wrong on this one. Iodine is not a metal under any circumstCalcium does not exist as it's native metal in nature but it still has the properties I describe above. The way we are most used to seeing calcium is as its salts, predominantly calcium carbonate.

Merucury exhibits all those properties of ductility and malleability, just not at room temperature. Hg is something of an exception to the rule, but it doesn't make it any less metallic.

The only halogen that exhibits metalloid properties is astitine, one period down in 7a group. Metalloids are a small group of elements that exhibit some, but not all properties of metals. These are boron, silicon, germanium, arsenic, antimony, tellurium, polonium, and astitine.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

The whiting is on the wall.

[Mrleft8]

Originally posted by P.I. Stazzer-Newt:
The whiting is on the wall.In most places, that's eel-egal.

[ 03-17-2005, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Mrleft8 ]

[Popeye]

Originally posted by John Bell:
.. Iodine is not a metal under any circumstances..

.Ennnt!

under many more circumstances iodine exhibits metallic properties, as another example halogenated compounds are used in high-voltage electrical transformers because they conduct heat well while being fire resistant and good electrical insulators. Also i got iodine down as an electrical conductor, wanna see?

iodine is in a tricky metal to non-metal transistion.

better be sure.

[ 03-17-2005, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: popeye ]

[Donn]

Perching silently above the sleeping prey,
On the bream of the crick,
Praying to Cod to support him if he flounders,
The weakfish ermine prepares to strike.

[John Bell]

popeye, you're never going convince me. Metals tend to lose electrons to make cations, something that iodine will not do under any ordinary circumstance. Iodine will scarf up an electron from a metal, but it ain't going to give one away to any cation I can think of.

Also don't confuse physical and electrical properties of compounds as necessarily being indicative of the properties of the underlying elements. I don't think you are going to find that I2 crystals are ductile, malleable, or conductive.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

Take half a pound of elemental Iodine and about a gallon of strong ammonia.

Have fun.

[John Bell]

No thanks. Shock sensitive materials aren't much fun, not that elemental halogens are much fun to begin with. ;)

[Donn]

If the rain is soaking your sole, put a tarpon it.

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

In order of diminishing fun potential:

Iodine
Bromine
Chlorine
Fluorine

I seem to remember from somewhere that hydrogen and fluorine are, theoretically, the perfect rocket fuel, were it not for the minor inconvenience that the combustion product would etch glass!

[Popeye]

Think outside the bun. officially iodine is a halogen, only because somebody drew a circle , in pencil, around a group of symbols representing physical elements, thus forming a nomenclature.

The same could be done for identifying which group of cars are properly called SUV.

Consider how an FID works, and think about how iodine transports itself thru the environment, as in the context of iodine in fish. consider how it gets stuck in kelp. The EPA calls iodine a metal for those reasons.. consider elemental iodine has luster. metals are good heat conductors, not all halogenated compounds are, 'cept maybe .. the one with iodine..ipso facto.

a metal has a degree of ductility but to my mind there is no such word as 'ductile', as in it is or isnt.

a semi-conductor is likewise a contradiction in terms and may not exist, if it is considered by its similarity to other natural compounds, it has some and it has none. it is a unique thing with its own qualifiers.

if it looks like a metal duck .. iodine is a metal.

[ 03-17-2005, 12:28 PM: Message edited by: popeye ]

[Donn]

Sailfish?
Can't decide which?
Mullet over on the way to El Dorado.

[P.I. Stazzer-Newt]

J.B. you can't shock that - if it hears you coming it will go off.

I hate coming back to this point but EPA iodine sheet (http://www.epa.gov/superfund/resources/radiation/pdf/iodine.pdf).

If you don't wat to follow the link, there is a box-out with the following text:
What is Iodine?
Iodine is a metal found throughout the environment in
a stable form, iodine-127, and as unstable radioactive
isotopes of iodine. These radioactive forms include
iodine-129 and iodine-131. Iodine-129 is produced
naturally in the upper atmosphere. Iodine-129 and
iodine-131 are also produced in nuclear explosions. In
addition, iodine-129 is released at very low levels into
the environment from facilities that separate and
reprocess nuclear reactor fuels, and from waste
storage facilities.

Popeye may be misinformed, but I cannot forgive the EPA that.

[Popeye]

Schnozz dude, i seem to remember a discussion on contact explosives in the context of 'i know something you don't know'. from some .. where..

oh puh-lease. :rolleyes:

if you see metal lattices in I2, then review your night school chemistry notes and tell me and the EPA community all about it :D

[ 03-18-2005, 07:55 AM: Message edited by: popeye ]

[Donn]

This should be in Boat-related, since most, if not all Haddock are caught from boats.

Last one (the crowd roars!):

My scup runneth over.
It wasn't a fluke,
I did it on porpoise,
But I had a speck in my eye.
Got it watching Porgy & Bass.