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Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
05-19-2005, 07:43 AM
I'm not a big fan of "The Donnald" but I have to admit I think he has hit the mark with his proposal to rebuild the Twin Towers just a little bit taller. I LOVE IT what a better way to say FREEDOM than to rebuild them and the NYC Skyline.

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/cp/world/20050518/w051856a.jpg

I love his BLUNT comment; "The plan ''looks like a junkyard, a series of broken-down angles that don't match each other. And we have to live with this for hundreds of years?'' he said. ''It is the worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen in my life.'' smile.gif


May 19, 2005

Trump Sounds Off on World Trade Center

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 7:38 a.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- To Donald Trump, the proposals for the replacement for the World Trade Center look like a junkyard. His solution? Rebuild the twin towers, more or less.

Standing in the lobby of his Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue, the developer turned TV star on Wednesday presented a model of his own envisioned towers, reflecting the original shape of the skyscrapers that fell Sept. 11, 2001.

The towers he advocates would be 111 stories tall -- one floor taller than the lost towers.

Plans for the site, to be dominated by a 1,776-foot Freedom Tower, have been stalled lately because of security concerns, though Gov. George Pataki assured New Yorkers last week that the project was not losing momentum.

''Failure to rebuild is not an option,'' the Republican governor said in a speech in downtown Manhattan.

But Trump had little use for the futuristic, angular Freedom Tower model.

The plan ''looks like a junkyard, a series of broken-down angles that don't match each other. And we have to live with this for hundreds of years?'' he said. ''It is the worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen in my life.''

However, Trump said he was leaving it up to developer Larry Silverstein, who owns the lease on the World Trade Center site, and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which owns the land, to execute the design first introduced last year by engineer Ken Gardner.

''I only have the power of persuasion,'' Trump said. ''It's a very simple power, but sometimes it can be very strong.''

Speaking for Silverstein, Howard J. Rubenstein said Trump was a friend, but ''Silverstein's only concern right now is designing a safe and spectacular Freedom Tower in keeping with the well-established master plan for the site.''

Trump read from a letter sent to him by architect Daniel Libeskind, whose plan won an international design competition for the trade center project. Silverstein then brought in his own architect, David Childs, to redesign the signature Freedom Tower.

In the letter, Libeskind was ''essentially complaining that the design is no good,'' Trump said.

He quoted Libeskind as saying the shape of the tower was ''the product of David Childs,'' while he wanted a more slender, classical tower set back farther from the street.

Libeskind added in a statement Wednesday: ''The site plan is not just about commercial buildings. The memorial is its crucial centerpiece. It is there for a reason.''

Though it would be taller than the twin towers, the Freedom Tower would have much of its top one-third given over to airy latticework and a spire emitting light into the night. Only around 70 floors would be usable office space.

Trump described the existing design as ''essentially a skeleton'' at the top. ''If we rebuild the World Trade Center in the form of a skeleton, the terrorists win.''

Trump also left room for an alternative to his plan, if tenants can't be found for the new towers. ''If for some reason, it can't be built, because there is a possibility that people do not want to be in any of the buildings on the site, then what we should do is ... build a great memorial park,'' he said.

km gresham
05-19-2005, 07:46 AM
I agree. Defiance is a good thing - and something Americans are and always have been particularly good at. My sense is that people WILL want to be in the new towers.

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Chris Coose
05-19-2005, 07:58 AM
''It is the worst pile of crap architecture I've ever seen in my life.''
Ever see anything he's built that doesn't have his name all over it?

Some said the same thing of the black wall in Washington.

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
05-19-2005, 08:03 AM
Originally posted by Chris Coose:
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Ever see anything he's built that doesn't have his name all over it?
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The Wolman Rink

I agree HIS buildings are eeeek gross architecturally but when he gets involved with PUBLIC works he simply gets the job done.

Norman Bernstein
05-19-2005, 08:17 AM
I'm also in agreement with Trump.. at least, his basic principle in this controversy. I can't think of ANYTHING that would be in more alignment with the American Spirit than to rebuild the towers almost as they were prior to 9/11.

Bruce Hooke
05-19-2005, 08:55 AM
I would be more supportive of his push to rebuild the towers if they were not such mediocre architecture to start with, at least in my opinion. Thus, I would rather see something more dynamic, architecturally speaking, on that site. Rebuilding the towers pretty much as they were also bothers me because it does not seem to acknowledge that September 11 did irrevocably change our country.

Don Olney
05-19-2005, 09:13 AM
Nor does it acknowledge the fact that no one around here would want to work in the new towers. The "build them bigger than they were" sentiment is fine for people who don't actually live or work here.

And that there is a glut of office space in lower Manhattan right now and prospective tenants are few and far between. A gazillion feet of new office space downtown would further depress the market.

And that Governor Wooden Head Pataki just stupidly blew off the largest and most prestigious tenant for the new buildings, Goldman Sachs, who last week, citing a lack of concern for security, backed out of the deal (and took a $40-50 million loss) and will almost certainly now build a new building somewhere in midtown.

[ 05-19-2005, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: Don Olney ]

Meerkat
05-19-2005, 09:17 AM
The site might make a great sunken garden. Something with a Babalonian theme would be appropriate...

Don Olney
05-19-2005, 09:31 AM
:rolleyes:

George Roberts
05-19-2005, 09:55 AM
The twin towers were great architecture.

While I would like to see them there again, too many people have the right of disapproval for that to happen.

Cuyahoga Chuck
05-19-2005, 11:56 AM
At the moment a lot of Trump's real estate is in the hands of his bankers who are trying to prop it all up so they won't take a financial bath.
Even if Trump had the instincts of Frank LLoyd Wright or Phil Johnson it would be folly to let him get his hands on the public's money. His ego is much too large for his talent.
His dalience with a TV series shows that he has a lot of time on his hands. Halleluia for that. His current reputation stems more from the fact that he plays a high rolling mogul on TV and not on any current business deals that will wow his detractors in the NY real estate world.
Charlie

N. Scheuer
05-19-2005, 05:27 PM
I'll buy in.

The symetry of the twin towers, as opposed to just on, even if taller, was something exceptional on the NY skyline.

Rebuild it talle says something to the scum bags of the earth.

Moby Nick

N. Scheuer
05-19-2005, 05:28 PM
(Add an "e" and a "r" in the obvious places)

Donn
05-19-2005, 05:41 PM
(and an "m")

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
05-19-2005, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by Donn:
(and an "m")Hey Donn I bet you know how to spell the word C H I C K E N ? tongue.gif

J. Dillon
05-19-2005, 05:59 PM
Hey Joe,

You just don't know when to stop. tongue.gif
JD

brian.cunningham
05-19-2005, 06:50 PM
I say rebuild it.
Just make sure there's a memorial.
There's a lot of families out there w/o a grave to visit.

imported_Dutch
05-19-2005, 08:35 PM
the only yankee i know that is more obnoxious than jcsoh is donald trump

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
05-19-2005, 08:42 PM
Na Dutch we are ALL like this :D You best to move as far down to FLA as humanly possible. OH but don't forget to come back and regale us with your failure.

http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultim atebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=022513 (http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=022513)


Originally posted by Dutch:
i know i have been a bit of a thorn to some of you.

nows your chance to get your digs in and feel like i got mine.

things did not work out in florida, as i had been hoping, but one thing i have learned in life is that things usually work out for the best one way or another. even if you cant see it at the moment

[ 05-19-2005, 09:45 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

imported_Dutch
05-19-2005, 09:04 PM
joes feeding on my failure- what a sick dude

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
05-19-2005, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Dutch:
joes feeding on my failure- what a sick dudeHey at least I don't KEEP failing :D :D :D

Why don't you try going NORTH this time cause South aint workin fer ya LOL :D

seafox
05-19-2005, 09:32 PM
comprimise build them twin towers twice as big and solid. make them 1776 feet high

Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )
05-19-2005, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by seafox:
comprimise build them twin towers twice as big and solid. make them 1776 feet highTHATS what I'm talkin about seafox http://www.woodenboat-ubb.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

George.
05-20-2005, 05:02 AM
I thought the Twin Towers were the boxes that the Empire State and Chrysler buildings came in...

Having said that, I am surprised that they haven't been rebuilt yet. All this diddling over desings misses the point. Show the world America's resilience! Put them back up!

Would have been a better use for a few billion $$ than "shock-and-awe."

N. Scheuer
05-20-2005, 05:34 AM
(note to Donn) As my Father-in-law used to say, "It's a small mind that cannot think of more than one way to spell a word."

Moby Nick

Donn
05-20-2005, 05:44 AM
Your father in law was Andrew Jackson?

cs
05-20-2005, 05:59 AM
I'd still like to see this built.

http://www.delmars.com/wright/milehigh.jpg

Chad

Mrleft8
05-20-2005, 07:06 AM
The original towers were boring, clunky, and sterile. The proposed new "freedom tower" is a waste of air space. All show and no go. I think the best way to "honor those who died", would be to turn the foot print into a park. Get a little more green into NYC. Then again, it is kinda sorta for New Yorkers, not the rest of us, and it's very clear that anything over 8 feet tall that isn't made of concrete, steel, or glass is frightening and alien to New Yorkers. (A girl I went to college with in Vermont said to me one day, when I asked her why she looked so unhappy, "there's too many TREES! I need to see tall buildings! There's so much empty space up there!" She only lasted one year...

km gresham
05-20-2005, 07:07 AM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - for some it's trees and for others, tall buildings. smile.gif

Bruce Hooke
05-21-2005, 01:41 PM
Hey now, don't forget about Central Park. There's an awful lot of pretty good size trees there... :D

seafox
05-21-2005, 02:32 PM
chad isn't that broad acre tower frank loyed wrights 5280 foot skyscraper?

seafox
05-21-2005, 03:49 PM
make it big enough and strong enough that it san't be brought down like the towers were and that would go a long way to solving that problem . but I would like to here your thoughts on solving the terrorist problem?

Katherine
05-22-2005, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by PatCassidy:
It is going to be a long time before anyone is willing to go to work in a building that would have a big bulls-eye painted on it.

Tell that to all the Target employees. tongue.gif

Meerkat
05-22-2005, 10:07 PM
Not sure I like the idea of the taller twin towers, but it's better than the current design, which looks to me like the splintered remains of a larger building that stood there before - not quite the image one wants to present methinks, however apt.

Katherine
05-22-2005, 10:12 PM
I actually like the look of the Freedom tower. Has anyone asked Trump to work on this or is he being presumptuous by doing it on his own?

J. Dillon
05-22-2005, 10:14 PM
I agree with Doug on this one. A park would be the best use of the land considering it's now historical significace. A mermorial of some kind of course and how about a tree for each person that died there ?

But big money will win in the end. :(

JD

Ross M
05-22-2005, 10:44 PM
Rumour is that NYC will loose it's 2012 Olympic bid if a suitable stadium is not made available in Manhattan...

Ross

RichKrough
05-22-2005, 10:48 PM
I have always thought this was the more appropriate design

http://www.mixson.org/osamapix/New_World_Trade_Center.jpg

cs
05-23-2005, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by seafox:
chad isn't that broad acre tower frank loyed wrights 5280 foot skyscraper?Yep, is sure is.

Chad