Stan Come Back I was wrong

[Jim Hillman]

I just wanted the Bilge to settle down into what it used to be, Misc. BS. We went from balanced C&P to all Liberal all the time C&P. The Libs just wanted to silence any opposition or opposing opinion.

So I hope you'll accept my apology and bring yourself back to the Bilge.

Happy Thanksgiving to those of you that complained about the C&P back when it was more than just Lib C&P, you get what you deserve. I actually called Stan on it, which is more than what you have done - in retrospect I'm sorry I did you were not worth it.

George., if there were any justice on this board you'd have been scoted long ago and often. The fact that you can continually break the rules and remain just points to the intellectual dishonesty of how rthe rules are brokered.

Integrity, look up the definition sometime.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Posts: 549 | From: Houston, TX

George's Boat he built.

http://www.worldwide-yacht-charter.com/picscruise/243/dalia.jpg

I can think of no one finer to have aboard this WoodenBoat Forum, and obviously Scot is in full agreement.

Jim need we say more. As for you all hat and no cattle.

[ 11-24-2005, 12:20 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[Jim Hillman]

George's boat he had built for him, per WB article. You do read don't you?

[Memphis Mike]

[ 11-24-2005, 09:28 AM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

[Paul Girouard]

Hey we all get wrapped around our own axe , or axisle (sp). Crap I have ,Joe has , George is from another country , he is intitled to his OP , doesn't have to be Humble .

As a sailor in USN you are , weather you like it or not , a ambassator for your country .

ya that sucks , as a world wide forum we need to look at the whole world .

I as a sailor 1977 - 1990 , in 1990 met some multi national soldres in Tel Avive, Isr. they where the anti jewish people I've ever met , bigot's to say the least .

I've seen worst then George , and he just hates US , some of you seem that way as well . Traveled much ? If at all ? unike Jamie I really can't spell and frankly I don't give a damn tonight . I think it is close enough to be better than Zimmer .

So George is anti american so what. That is the least of my fears . Happy Thanksgiving, George , because we can smile.gif

[Rick Tyler]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):George's Boat he built. So, as long as Hitler had a really nice boat...?

[formerlyknownasprince]

So George is anti american so what I would rate George as provocative rather than anti-American. It helps to have a provocative viewpoint around.

Ian

[George.]

Wow, a thread about me! :cool: :D

"Anti-American?" Let me tell you something. You don't know what anti-American is. Get out and travel. Hear people's opinions. You will find that I am one of the most pro-American foreigners in Europe or Latin America. Yes, that's how bad it is.

Real America haters don't bother to discuss issues with Americans on such a forum, or try to prod them to react and live up to America's promise. They just hate America, and discuss it with one another. Just like none of you xenophobes go into some Arab forum to criticize Islamism - you all just rant about it to one another.

Jim, tell me ONE rule of this forum that I have violated. And you better be ready to prove it.

PS: the reason libs are dominating the bilge is because the positions the conservatives were defending have become indefensible, one by one. Just look at your president's approval ratings - are you going to blame that on Scot too? tongue.gif

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

I agree with George.

There are times when the urge to yank the chain of our more absurdly over-"patriotic" American friends becomes irresistible. ;)

But that does not make one "anti-American", any more than Bob Smalser doing the same to me makes him "anti-British".

[Chris Coose]

JH starts a thread which goes after a group and an individual and then complains about the rules and uses the words "integrity"... "intelectual dishonesty"?

Go ahead, take George up on his challenge. Otherwise, Joe has got it just right. All hat BS.

[huisjen]

This is interesting. Can anyone remember anyone ever saying of Stan or Karen or Oyster when he was frothing, that they agreed with the politics but were unhappy with the delivery? I even kinda like Donn, but he could easily be put in that class at times too. He could be a bully. Any such comments from the right were pretty few and far between. It appears that the libs are able to separate the message and the messenger. (Sigh. I miss Norm.)

There are some liberals around here who do push the point a bit far, yet on the whole I agree with them. George and ljb5 are fine examples. Dutch too sometimes. And when I think of how long I suffered through Stan talking about how he'd love to see certain men sodomized by pigs, how he wrapped himself in the flag and covered it with his filth, I loose any sympathy I might have had for the conservatives who complain that a few liberals play hardball.

George, I liked the cartoon, even while the truth of it saddens me.

Dan

[TomF]

I've seen no rule that George's broken. He's pointedly supported his views, frequently these are about American foreign policy. But other times about evolution. Or religion. Or ...

He hasn't taken any sh!t from anyone, to be sure, but has he knowingly spread lies? None I've seen. Has he acknowledged when he's been mistaken, or apologized for occasional fits of temper? Yes to both. Has he applied the same rigorous standards to any political discussion - involving his own country or others? Yup.

On the other hand, I've seen no threats, very little name-calling, and frequently a fair bit of wit mixed with his indignation.

"Foreign" liberals are becoming less welcome on this board, if they talk about world issues that involve the American government. We've had versions of this conversation a few times over the past several weeks. But the same answers still apply. American foreign policy is daily fodder because:

1. It doesn't just affect America. The Superpower's actions affect the world.

2. Lots of folks here have opinions on it, and want to talk about it. Americans, and others.

3. Few show a great deal of interest in talking about other global issues, or domestic political issues in places other than the US which affect the rest of the world. What threads there are, drop like bricks.

4. WBF is not an American forum, though WoodenBoat is based in the US. This is a global forum; no citizenship papers are needed before launching into any of the discussions.

t.

[LeeG]

Jim from Texas,,it's the pendulum,,a couple years ago the emperor was in full dress and now he's nekkid, it'll change again. Back to the eternal verities,,wit, water, and wenches.

[Keith Wilson]

GEORGE anti-American??? ROTFL!!! You obviously have no clue what anti-American really is. He’s anti-Bush, anti-Iraq war, certainly, but that describes somewhat more than half the US these days.

My understanding of the he forum rules, such as they are:
- No threats
- No egregious name-calling
- Be reasonably polite
- Don’t say anything you wouldn’t say to a very amiable and slightly drunk guy who stands 6’8 and weighs 280 lbs. sitting on a barstool next to you.

If you can show that George (or ljb5, for that matter) breaks these rules, do so. StanV had no concept of politeness or civility.

If you want to post opposing arguments that are as coherent and intelligent as those posted by George, please do so. I’ll be very pleased, even though I may not agree. Jägermeister and cedarsavage have done exactly that lately, with notable civility. They’re a great addition to the forum, even though I disagree with them on almost every issue. The reason I bother to particupate in political discussions here is that there are some intelligent people whe disagree with me, but can discuss issues( or even argue passionately ) without resorting to name-calling.

[ 11-24-2005, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: Keith Wilson ]

[High C]

Originally posted by Keith Wilson:
...If you can show that George (or ljb5, for that matter) breaks these rules, do so....Keith, I am amazed at your blindness to the name calling that certain people engage in here. A search of ljb5's posts (if the search feature actually worked :rolleyes: ) would reveal dozens, perhaps hundreds, of instances of him calling people "idiots", "morons", etc.

He is one of the most frequent violators of the forum's rules.

The relevant bit: "if you use our site, you agree not to:
a. upload, transmit, post, email or otherwise make available to the site, any content or other material in any format that: (i) is false, inaccurate, misleading, fraudulent, unlawful (including, but not limited to, laws governing consumer protection, unfair competition, antidiscrimination, or false advertising), harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, invasive of another's privacy, libelous and/or otherwise objectionable..."

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

High C is being on the moral high-ground better for throwing rocks in your own glass house :D

[High C]

:confused:

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by High C:
:confused: Do I have to go and pull up some of your recent vitriol and quote you so you can see your hypocrisy?

HiC you used to be moderate but with the tide turning away from the neocon agenda you have become a poster boy for divisive neocon partisan lockstep. When confronted with the facts you are more times than in the past have lashed out. Check your own post's before you talk about others.

Me I have never changed, but you have gotten more angry.

Bwaaaaaaa ha ha :D

[ 11-24-2005, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[George.]

if you use our site, you agree not to:
a. upload, transmit, post, email or otherwise make available to the site, any content or other material in any format that: (i) is false, inaccurate, misleading, fraudulent... [/QB]Well, that would cover many of the arguments posted here by neocons, from the Saddam-9/11 connection to denials of torture by the Bush administration, to "flaws" in the theory of evolution, to insisting that there are WMD in Iraq...

[ 11-24-2005, 11:52 AM: Message edited by: George. ]

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by High C:
The relevant bit: "if you use our site, you agree not to:
a. upload, transmit, post, email or otherwise make available to the site, any content or other material in any format that: (i) is false, inaccurate, misleading, fraudulent, unlawful (including, but not limited to, laws governing consumer protection, unfair competition, antidiscrimination, or false advertising), harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, invasive of another's privacy, libelous and/or otherwise objectionable..."Oh this is rich from the guy that KNEW Saddam was dead. The same guy who KNOWS Ossama is dead. Who also KNOWS there were WMD's in Iraq. HiC the guy who KNEW the Brazilian killed by police in the London Subway was Al Queda. :rolleyes:

HiC you have stuck your foot in your mouth enough times you should open up a combination Payless Shoe/ Dentist store.

Bwaaaaaa ha ha :D

[ 11-24-2005, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ) ]

[ljb5]

Joe, in all fairness, it's true -- I have occasionally said some things I've regretted.

So has nearly everyone here -- especially those self-appointed arbiters of civility who occasionally get themselves thrown off.

I don't know what standard Scot uses to decide who to expel, but so far, I haven't run afoul of it. I try to keep my discussions topical, fact-based and impersonal. I don't threaten people, I don't follow them around or try to hunt them down outside of the forum and I don't pick fights. Apparently, that's good enough.

Occasionally, I tell someone they're wrong when, in fact, they are wrong. Why shouldn't I? Would you let a friend walk around with a booger hanging out of his nose? Why wouldn't you correct him if he was mistaken?

I won't apologize for vigorously defending the truth -- but I will look for a more polite way to do it. However, I don't feel obligated to be the only polite person here.

[High C]

Joe, you're full of crap.

Yes, I speak bluntly sometimes, and very critically against views and people whom I believe richly deserve it, but the number of times I have called someone an ugly name here can be counted on three fingers. And twice an anapology quickly followed. The third occassion, well....he's gonna have to wait a while.

You're a fine one to talk! :rolleyes:

[Meerkat]

Originally posted by Jim Hillman:
I just wanted the Bilge to settle down into what it used to be, Misc. BS. We went from balanced C&P to all Liberal all the time C&P. The Libs just wanted to silence any opposition or opposing opinion.
Horsecrap. The tenor of the bilge changed as the country awoke to the true nature of the disaster in the Whitehouse.

If you're not happy now, just wait until next November. tongue.gif

[High C]

Originally posted by Meerkat:
...The tenor of the bilge...You talking to me? ;) :D

[George.]

:D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by High C:
Joe, you're full of crap. I rest my case :D

By the way I have existed on soup and tea the last 4 days I sincerely doubt I'm full of crap. So please review your
: (i) false, inaccurate, misleading, fraudulent post.

Bwaaaaa ha ha :D

[ljb5]

Originally posted by High C:
Joe, you're full of crap.It's funny....

When I lose my cool, it's always because some neocon won't face reality.

When a neocon loses his cool, it's because he has faced reality.

[Rick Tyler]

Originally posted by ljb5:
I don't feel obligated to be the only polite person here.I'm going to open an irony mine...

[High C]

I haven't lost my cool, and I haven't called either one of you the sort of ugly names you often call others, I'm simply pointing out an obvious fact.

tongue.gif :D

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

obviously you missed the fact that I have been on nothing but fluids for the last four days. So I doubt I could be full of crap. But you keep on believing, just like any day now they are gonna find that yellow cake in Nigeria. ;)

Bwaaa Ha Ha :D

[Bruce Taylor]

if the search feature actually worked [Roll Eyes]Nicholas Carey has set up a WoodenBoat Google Search on his website.

http://www.handforged.net/wbfsearch/

High C., you seem to think that abuse is acceptable if the subject "richly deserves" it. Hence...


You richly deserve it, Norman. You are a pompous ass, nothing more than a robot who regurgitates stock, partisan blather in haughty fashion, and whines like a baby at anyone who dares to challenge your propaganda.I don't remember Norman having spoken to anyone like that, so I don't really know why he "richly deserves" to be called names, or why you might think your post was not a breach of the forum rules you posted above. No doubt you had your reasons.

As ljb5 said, most of us have said things we later regret. Just yesterday, I called Alan a "clever narwhal." It happens.

[Rex Fearnehough]

'Tis the season to be jolly, tralalala lalalala'

[High C]

Bruce, I guess you missed my apology to Norman for that.

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Originally posted by High C:
Bruce, I guess you missed my apology to Norman for that.Told ya :rolleyes:


people residing of edifices constructed of crystallised material should not engage in the hurling of geological substances Folla ? ;)

[High C]

...Folla ? ;) [/QB]No, never. tongue.gif

[Bruce Taylor]

Bruce, I guess you missed my apology to Norman for that.I did miss it, and I apologize for that.

Norm Messinger used to say the ones who apologize are usually the ones who have little to apologize for. Good old Norm. Wish we could bring him back.

[High C]

Originally posted by Bruce Taylor:
...Good old Norm. Wish we could bring him back.Indeed...

[Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson )]

Agreed :(

[Rex Fearnehough]

What is/was the problem.

The verbal sparring on the forum can be fun, harmless and peaceful.
I have enjoyed my discussions with Donn and the pinkbooted Stan.
I have never looked on them as enemies.
redface.gif :mad: ;)

[ 11-25-2005, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: Rex Fearnehough ]

[huisjen]

Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />people residing of edifices constructed of crystallised material should not engage in the hurling of geological substances </font>[/QUOTE]Strictly speaking, part of the definition of glass is that it's molecular structure is amorphic, and not crystaline.

Dan

[shamus]

Thanks Dan, that's what I like about Misc- you learn stuff every day.

[Keith Wilson]

The tenor of the bilge . . .
You talking to me? That was funny!

:D :D

[BrianW]

If you're not happy now, just wait until next November. [Razz]Say, thought sounds familiar?...

Oh yeah, I heard it about 18 months ago. Kept hearing it too, until about last November.

:D

[LeeG]

...pink booted Stan..? in camo of course

[Wild Dingo]

I near fell of me chair when I read that one Lee! :D :D Now that would be a hoot to see!! :D

I cant recall standley doin anything remotely as bad as leggit did nor for that matter anywhere near what dutchy has and continues to do in his/her/its various personas in fact I will go as far as to say I liked ol standley :eek: but think on it he was a bit of a card was our ol standley ;) do well downunder for my money and by gawd like any of you lot Id be proud to stand a shout at the local rubbetty with you!

Cheers hic sheeeers huk chissssh hic ah shutsh it avagoodone! aahh bedda

:D

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

I do not want Stan V. back, not after his cyber-stalking efforts.

Did he have any interest in wooden boats? I don't seem to recall any.

[Sam F]

Originally posted by Rick Tyler:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joe ( Cold Spring on Hudson ):George's Boat he built. So, as long as Hitler had a really nice boat...?</font>[/QUOTE]http://www.martindenning.com/images/HOnboard.jpg

Remember it's not what you are but what you have that counts. My my! How liberal an idea is that? :D

[Andrew Craig-Bennett]

Now, now, Sam, remember I asked you to read the 39 Articles?

The possession of a fine wooden yacht is the outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace .

See article 24:

But The Wicked, and such as be void of a lively faith, although they do carnally and visibly press with their teeth (as Saint Augustine saith) the Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ; yet in no wise are they partakers of Christ: but rather, to their condemnation, do eat and drink the sign or Sacrament of so great a thing.

So the Wicked, though they so visibly and carnally own a fine wooden boat, yet in no wise are they the partakers of civilised values...

[ 11-25-2005, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: Andrew Craig-Bennett ]

[Sam F]

Originally posted by Andrew Craig-Bennett:
...
So the Wicked, though they so visibly and carnally own a fine wooden boat, yet in no wise are they the partakers of civilised values...My point exactly Andrew.

[Wild Dingo]

Your right of course Andrew he had a plastic one... wasnt aware of any cyber stalking stuff... guess I dont see that sort of stuff must happen around my snoring time eh :rolleyes:

Agreed if stalking well gone I say