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01-20-2006, 07:50 AM
Member # 2910

posted 01-20-2006 07:12 AM
I've probably wore you guys out with questions about playing, but here goes any way.

I've been trying to learn to play for many years and for the last couple of years I've been working on Margaritville and I've finally got it down well enough that it sounds decent. I tried to mix in vocals the other day while playing the song and everytime I start singing, my right hand forgets what it is doing and I lose my count, my rhythm and forget how to strum.

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Karl A. Hilbert
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posted 01-20-2006 07:24 AM
Try humming along first.
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Memphis Mike
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posted 01-20-2006 07:36 AM
Chad, maybe you ought to take up the Kazoo

01-20-2006, 07:51 AM
Memphis Mike
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posted 01-20-2006 07:43 AM
You need to loosen up a bit and forget about the mechanics.

Just listen to the words and try to feel the music.

01-20-2006, 08:16 AM
When I took lessons the teacher insisted that we learned to play and sing a new song at the same time. He said that if you just learn to play the song first and then try to add the singing later that it will be harder to put them together. I've found it to be pretty much true for me.

01-20-2006, 08:19 AM
Once tuning's taken care of (and that's nothing like the issue on a guitar or piano as on some other instruments), then rhythm is God. That's true more than you'd think in all kinds of music, but especially rock or blues. Listen to an average track, and then a really hot one ... and a huge piece of the difference is how tight and crisp the rhythm is, and how the licks all drive the rhythm forwards.

Memphis Mike
01-20-2006, 08:58 AM
Also Chad, there's a direct relationship between the lyrics and the rhythm.

In the absence of drums, I play rhythm to the lyrics.

01-20-2006, 09:23 AM
Play and sing right along with Jimmy B. If you have the actual song playing behind you, it keeps you at the right tempo and makes it more fun anyways. Do this ten times and then try solo, you'll have it down.

Phil Eves
01-20-2006, 10:16 AM
"People ask me if I write the lyrics or the words first, and I say yes!"

Martin Mull.

Memphis Mike
01-20-2006, 12:45 PM
Playing and singing is not easy. I was at the same point as you awhile back, Chad. Everytime I would try to sing it would throw my timing off.

I got discouraged and asked my teacher what to do. He said just keep practicing and the singing will "just happen" and he was right. I sang my first song in public a few weeks ago.

Some songs are easier than others to play and sing.

Margaritaville may not be the right song for you to start with.

Try something easier like "Knockin On Heavens Door."

Do it in G.

The chords are G D Am

[ 01-20-2006, 12:57 PM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

Memphis Mike
01-23-2006, 08:14 AM
Chad, did you try "Knockin On Heavens Door?"

01-23-2006, 09:57 AM
Mike, I've been playing that for a while now. It is easy to play, but I haven't tried to add the lyrics yet.


Bruce Taylor
01-23-2006, 11:12 AM
He said just keep practicing and the singing will "just happen"That about sums it up. Your brain has to lay down some new wiring. It takes repetition, and it takes time, and when it happens you won't know exactly what changed.

John Bell
01-23-2006, 11:32 AM
Having just started guitar a month ago, I can sympathize with Chad. However, for me the act of playing is more about singing than anything else. IOW, the main reason I want to play is to accompany my singing. So, any time I work on a song I'm singing. Luckily my wife likes both the songs I pick and my voice. I guess it's working for me, 'cuz I feel like I'm improving daily. What is it they say? Sing like no one's listening...

If anyone cares, my current faves are 'Across the Great Divide', 'Hands on the Wheel', 'Here I am Lord', 'I Saw the Light', 'Biloxi', 'Son of a Son of Sailor', and my challenge song is Bill Staines' 'Roseville Fair'.

Memphis Mike
01-23-2006, 01:04 PM
What kind of guitar did you get, John?

John Bell
01-23-2006, 02:43 PM
Epiphone DR-100. I like the way it sounds, a pretty good guitar for the $$.

Memphis Mike
01-23-2006, 02:52 PM
Try singing "Amazing Grace" to "The House Of The Rising Sun" chords. :cool:

Am C D F Am C Em

[ 01-23-2006, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: Memphis Mike ]

John Bell
01-23-2006, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Memphis Mike:
Try singing "Amazing Grace" to "The House Of The Rising Sun" chords. :cool:

Am C D F Am C EmAmazing grace is another one in my budding repetoire. G D7 G C G D7 G C e G D7 G or something like that...

I'd prefer to sing it to the tune of Gilligan's Island!

Peter Kalshoven
01-24-2006, 09:31 AM
I know that this is so wrong to do, but I'm doing it anyway. (You know you're all going to haul out the gitboxes and sing Amazing Grace to this! :D )

Dm C
Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale
Dm C
A tale of a fateful trip
Dm C Bm C Dm
That started from this tropic port aboard this tiny ship
Dm C Dm C
The mate was a mighty sailing man, the skipper brave and sure,
Dm C Bb C Dm
Five passengers set sail that day for a three hour tour,
Bb C Dm
A three hour tour

Em D
The weather started getting rough,
Em D
The tiny ship was tossed
Em D
If not for the courage of the fearless crew,
C D Em
The Minnow would be lost.
C D Em
The Minnow would be lost.

Fm Eb
The ship's aground on the shore of this
Fm Eb
uncharted desert isle,
With Gilligan.....
The Skipper too.....
The Millionaire ....
And his wife....
The Movie star ....
The Professor and Mary-Ann are
Fm Eb Fm
Here on Gilligan's Island.

So this is the tale of our castaways,
they're here for a long, long time.
They'll have to make the best of things,
it's an uphill climb.
The first mate and his skipper too,
will do their very best,
to make the others comfortable,
in the tropic island nest.
No phones, no lights, no motor cars,
not a single luxury.
Like Robinson Crusoe,
it's primitive as can be.
So join us here each week my friend,
you're sure to get a smile.
From seven stranded Castaways,
Here on Gilligan's Isle.

(I tried to edit to correct spacing on chords, no luck)
(try Ballad of Gilligan's Island) (http://www.sonicuke.com/c_gilligan.php) )

[ 01-24-2006, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Peter Kalshoven ]

Memphis Mike
01-25-2006, 09:12 AM