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SKIP KILPATRICK
04-24-2019, 08:16 AM
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Filipino President (https://www.foxnews.com/politics) Rodrigo Duterte on Tuesday reportedly threatened to "declare war" against Canada (https://www.foxnews.com/category/world/world-regions/americas) within the next week if the country fails to remove tons of garbage (https://www.foxnews.com/category/odd-news) that was previously shipped to Manila (https://www.foxnews.com/category/politics/state-and-local/cities).

Duterte, in remarks aired by state media (https://www.foxnews.com/category/entertainment/media) and reported by The Canadian Press (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-canada/philippines-duterte-hits-canada-on-exported-garbage-idUSKCN1RZ1FT), said he will "give a warning to Canada maybe next week that they better pull that thing out or I will set sail."

"I will declare war against them. I will advise Canada that your garbage is on the way. Prepare a grand reception. Eat it if you want to," he said. "Your garbage is coming home."

The garbage reportedly consists of electronic and household waste.

Between 2013 and 2014, Canada shipped tons of waste in 103 containers to the Philippines and ,in the years since, has been pushing the Southeastern Asia country to dispose of it.

When Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau visited Manila in 2015, he said that a "Canadian solution" was being developed and said the situation would not occur again, according to the news outlet.

SKIP KILPATRICK
04-24-2019, 08:18 AM
Trolling for Canucks!

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Bruce Taylor
04-24-2019, 08:27 AM
Canadians are pigs. That's just a fact. I've often thought there should be a documentary series about slovenly environmental practices in this country. I'd call it "Piglandia."

Figment
04-24-2019, 08:29 AM
Fill us in on this one... how did containers of garbage come to be shipped to the phillipines in the first place?

S.V. Airlie
04-24-2019, 08:35 AM
It as well as the US have become throw away societies.We buy stuff, if it breaks we buy a new one because repairing it is more expensive and a waste of time.When was the last time you've repaired anything really or were able to find a shop that does? Sadly, it's not just here!

Bruce Taylor
04-24-2019, 08:39 AM
Fill us in on this one... how did containers of garbage come to be shipped to the phillipines in the first place?

As I understand it, in 2013-14 a Canadian company sent 103 containers to Manila for "recycling." The containers were supposed to be full of electronic waste; instead, they were full of household garbage. Food waste, dirty diapers...the works.

Six years later, the container are still there, nastier than ever.

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SKIP KILPATRICK
04-24-2019, 09:08 AM
Why don't Canadians do like the rest of us and just dump it in the Pacific Ocean! :mad:


Is this the big chance that the Stable Genius has been looking for ....

He could negotiate a truce!

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm The Peace Prize!

Decourcy
04-24-2019, 09:14 AM
I've always maintained that the issue is not bad disposal or recycling practices, but the purchasing of crap we don't need in the first place. Don't buy crap, and there's nothing to throw away or recycle. Every purchase is a choice and a vote for the quality of the future planet.
Canadians are just as bad as every western country, and worse than many in that department.

We as a country try to sweep this under the rug by exporting garbage to other countries, or burying it in ever increasing mounds. It's disgusting.

Jim Mahan
04-24-2019, 09:31 AM
No matter how green and recycle resuse repurpose oriented we get, things wear out and need to be replaced and some stuff is just gonna need to be dealt with as waste, and more humans all the time means more garbage all the time. So industry must be devoted to the ultimate disposal of whatever bit of final waste we can't otherwise process. Put it in orbit, and let it burn up on re-entry? Make a new world's deepest ever hole and dump it all into a subuction zone to be turned into mafic inclusions?

We need to bio-engineer a species or two of artificial, non-sentient organisms that flourish and thrive eating plastic in seawater, and crapping whatever chemistry the coral need to build reefs around the shipping containers. Then, a million years from now, when anthropologists of another humanoid species are investigating evidence of us, in their deep past, they will be stumped to explain the fossil coral reefs embedded with evidence of corrugated iron boxes. And their version of a popular entertainment will feature ancient civilizations decended from aliens...

mmd
04-24-2019, 09:33 AM
Pigginess accusations aside, my understanding of the situation is that a Philippines company negotiated with a Canadian company to recycle electronics and plastic. The Canadian company decided to not sort the garbage for recyclable materials at their end and merely sent unsorted garbage to the Philippines. When they got caught and were told that they had to accept the garbage back - at their cost - they promptly went out of business and walked away from the issue. The Canadian government tried to negotiate first with the Philippine company, then with the Philippine government (which by then was led by Duarte) to reach a mutually acceptable solution. Initially the Cdn gov't proposed that the garbage be dealt with in the Phillippines (to avoid the cost of trans-ocean shipping) and costs incurred would be shared by both countries, but that met a brick wall. Since then, the Cdn gov't has been trying to open discussions with the Phillippine gov't on the subject, but the Duarte gov't has decided to use the issue as a stick to beat Canada with. Our Prime Minister has, on two occasions while visiting the Phillippines, tried to discuss this with Duarte, but has been ignored on both occasions. Duarte feels that it is ultimately a Canadian governmental problem, whilst the Canadian government maintains that it does not have the legal authority to accept the debts of private industry nor to force Canadian companies to accept financial burden of business deals gone bad (such issues should be dealt with through the judicial system, not by governmental intervention).

In any way that you look at it, it is a stinky situation...

(edit to correct a speeling mistake... mmd)

Flying Orca
04-24-2019, 09:53 AM
The limited liability corporation strikes again.

Owners should be responsible for the actions of their corporations, in perpetuity, full stop.

Old Dryfoot
04-24-2019, 09:53 AM
Go figure, a company took the money and left the responsibility.

Decourcy
04-24-2019, 10:01 AM
The limited liability corporation strikes again.

Owners should be responsible for the actions of their corporations, in perpetuity, full stop.

Include small as well as large shareholders. I doubt most people think much about the actions of companies in their portfolios.
What happens when a company acts badly while shares are owned, but the shares are sold on before any legal action is taken. Complicated byproduct of the capitalist system.

Flying Orca
04-24-2019, 10:23 AM
Yeah, it's a difficult question. There has to be a sensible way through it, though. We seem to be moving in that direction with oil companies, at least.

paulf
04-24-2019, 10:48 AM
Go figure, a company took the money and left the responsibility.

Victoria BC used to send a guy dressed as a turd called "Mr. Floatie" to march in our irrigation festival parade.

He represented the raw sewage pumped into the Salish Sea by Victoria. Kids loved him!

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Old Dryfoot
04-24-2019, 11:05 AM
That nasty problem is getting a billion dollar remedy. Mr. Floaty is out of a job now.

And with Victoria being comprised of 13 separate municipalities, the process was the very definition of "herding cats."

Decourcy
04-24-2019, 11:06 AM
Victoria BC used to send a guy dressed as a turd called "Mr. Floatie" to march in our irrigation festival parade.

He represented the raw sewage pumped into the Salish Sea by Victoria. Kids loved him!

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRM-dWffsEFiSF0Q-PU021haW8snXnqQt4xG9RUjYUseWviPuWj


Is chemical treatment before flowing into the sea better?

Bring back the backyard outhouse or composting toilet. Also make everyone have their own personal garbage and recycling piles. Everyone should both see and have to deal with the waste they produce.
Slightly tongue in cheek.

paulf
04-24-2019, 11:32 AM
That nasty problem is getting a billion dollar remedy. Mr. Floaty is out of a job now.

And with Victoria being comprised of 13 separate municipalities, the process was the very definition of "herding cats."

Haven't seen him in a while! Victoria did a good thing.

paulf
04-24-2019, 11:34 AM
Is chemical treatment before flowing into the sea better?

Bring back the backyard outhouse or composting toilet. Also make everyone have their own personal garbage and recycling piles. Everyone should both see and have to deal with the waste they produce.
Slightly tongue in cheek.

Tertiary treatment seems best but its expensive. Chemicals cause a whole bunch of new problems.

Decourcy
04-24-2019, 12:36 PM
Tertiary treatment seems best but its expensive. Chemicals cause a whole bunch of new problems.


I wonder where the solid screenings are sent to. Perhaps shipping containers to Asia?

I actually find the way sewage is dealt with offensive. Take a whole lot of nice clean water (which much effort has gone into to make thus), then crap into it and spend even more effort and energy on to clean up. An expensive solution to a created problem.

Heres a crazy idea.....stop crapping in clean water.

paulf
04-24-2019, 01:05 PM
I wonder where the solid screenings are sent to. Perhaps shipping containers to Asia?

I actually find the way sewage is dealt with offensive. Take a whole lot of nice clean water (which much effort has gone into to make thus), then crap into it and spend even more effort and energy on to clean up. An expensive solution to a created problem.

Heres a crazy idea.....stop crapping in clean water.

even crazier! Stop crapping!

Decourcy
04-24-2019, 01:25 PM
even crazier! Stop crapping!

I guess to stop crapping, the solution is to stop eating.
If we all stop eating, it seems to me, anthropomorphic global warming and global pollution should come to a fairly abrupt end.
Easy solution.

Seems unlikely to become popular unless we can get the Kardashians to vlog about it though.

Dave Hadfield
04-24-2019, 01:34 PM
Nature deals with excrement pretty quickly -- I used to have to fork tons of it. Much too much of an intimate acquaintance. But plastics? No.

Bring back wicker! Baskets! Grow withies! Coppice the willows!

Actually, it would be best if we could create a corn-sorghum-hemp plant as a substitute.

paulf
04-24-2019, 02:37 PM
Nature deals with excrement pretty quickly -- I used to have to fork tons of it. Much too much of an intimate acquaintance. But plastics? No.

Bring back wicker! Baskets! Grow withies! Coppice the willows!

Actually, it would be best if we could create a corn-sorghum-hemp plant as a substitute.

I guess human waste becomes a problem when 6 billion folks are dumping onto water sources.

If our population was quite a bit less, there would be no real problem.

Old Dryfoot
04-24-2019, 03:10 PM
The pharmaceuticals that we consume, that is the real problem.