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mdh
02-13-2019, 10:01 PM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/panera-breads-socialist-pay-what-you-want-experiment-fails-miserably/

Doing the same thing, expecting a different result. Dimocrats


Panera Bread's Socialist 'Pay What You Want' Experiment Fails Miserably
BY JOHN ELLIS FEBRUARY 12, 2019

“Loaves of bread sit on a table at St. Louis Bread Co. Cares Community Cafe, part of Panera, in Clayton, Mo. The restaurant, where patrons pay as much or little as they want for a meal, is closing its doors Tuesday, Jan. 9, 2018. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson, File)

Panera Bread has shuttered the last of its ideologically driven "pay what you want" restaurants. The socialist-tinged ventures were called "Panera Cares" and the higher-ups have finally figured out that "caring" is not synonymous with "viable business model." On February 15, the final Panera Cares, located in Boston, will close.

The website Eater gives Panera Cares' history and provides the company's motivation behind the now-defunct mission:

The chain opened its first donation-based community cafe in St. Louis, Missouri, in 2010. Under the model championed by the company’s founder Ron Shaich, the restaurant operated like a typical Panera, but offered meals at a suggested donation price, with the goal of raising awareness about food insecurity. “In many ways, this whole experiment is ultimately a test of humanity,” Shaich said in a TEDx talk later that year. “Would people pay for it? Would people come in and value it?” It appears the answer is a resounding no.”

Keith Wilson
02-13-2019, 10:12 PM
Excuse me? While I'm certainly no fan of the current government in Venezuela, and Panera's experiment was a flop, and in retrospect probably a silly idea, there isn't the vaguest connection between the two.

mdh
02-13-2019, 10:25 PM
You’re excused.

Dan McCosh
02-14-2019, 08:30 AM
Panera is downright capitalistic compared to the Salvation Army. That's socialism for you. And they use those red kettles.

David W Pratt
02-14-2019, 08:34 AM
Perhaps not a bad comparison. Panera not succeeding at getting bread based wealth to the poor; Venezuela failing at getting oil based wealth to the poor.
Maybe each should look at different techniques for achieving their laudable goals

Keith Wilson
02-14-2019, 08:39 AM
Feh. Hitler had a mustache! Maduro has a Mustache! See? http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Glen Longino
02-14-2019, 09:41 AM
md Fn h has creeping socialists under his bed and in his pantry. He even checks the water in his toilet before he sits down to make sure there are no socialists swimming in there!

BrianY
02-14-2019, 09:53 AM
md Fn h has creeping socialists under his bed and in his pantry. He even checks the water in his toilet before he sits down to make sure there are no socialists swimming in there!

Yah,,,the RWW's seem to have become obsessed with Socialist and Socialism as their latest bogeymen. They're all spouting off inanities about Socialists these days.

Glen Longino
02-14-2019, 01:11 PM
...bump... hehe

birlinn
02-14-2019, 01:13 PM
md Fn h has creeping socialists under his bed and in his pantry. He even checks the water in his toilet before he sits down to make sure there are no socialists swimming in there!

You sure he isn't hoping there will be one that he could then happily dump on?

L.W. Baxter
02-14-2019, 01:22 PM
I frequented one of those Paneras for a few months while I worked on a project in the Hawthorne District of Portland.

I always payed the menu price plus tip. On a couple occasions Panera employees insisted I take a free loaf of bread.

My impression of the store was that it was less trafficked than other Paneras.

I thought it was a worthy, certainly friendly idea. But in my observation, the experiment offered some psychological problems that people apparently couldn't overcome. Something about it may have turned off regular full-paying customers?

And perhaps people who could use a handout didn't emote properly for the employees who worked there? Pure conjecture, based on the free loaves of bread and how they were presented to me. Like an honored guest.

It may be a bit much asking people to be charitable while simultaneously working for $15/hr. Maybe less.

Norman Bernstein
02-14-2019, 02:00 PM
Yah,,,the RWW's seem to have become obsessed with Socialist and Socialism as their latest bogeymen. They're all spouting off inanities about Socialists these days.

Ask one of them if they're going to turn down their Social Security and Medicare benefits.

BrianY
02-14-2019, 03:13 PM
Ask one of them if they're going to turn down their Social Security and Medicare benefits.

How dare you question their RIGHT to such things?!! They paid into the system and now the system owes them. It's not socialism. It's insurance, don't 'cha know.


Friggin' idiots... :rolleyes:

Chris Smith porter maine
02-14-2019, 03:34 PM
The socialist snow plow just plowed the road out front, oh the tyranny.

WX
02-14-2019, 05:31 PM
Perhaps not a bad comparison. Panera not succeeding at getting bread based wealth to the poor; Venezuela failing at getting oil based wealth to the poor.
Maybe each should look at different techniques for achieving their laudable goals
Did the then president of Venezuela actually try to spread the wealth to the poor?

mdh
02-14-2019, 07:21 PM
Did the then president of Venezuela actually try to spread the wealth to the poor?

In a way. He discouraged hard work and profiteering, and promised as if the oil wells would continue to operate themselves.

Chris Smith porter maine
02-14-2019, 07:25 PM
In a way. He discouraged hard work and profiteering, and promised as if the oil wells would continue to operate themselves.

Dude your brilliant, profiteering is a great thing.

oznabrag
02-14-2019, 07:26 PM
In a way. He discouraged hard work and profiteering, and promised as if the oil wells would continue to operate themselves.

That thing between your ears.

You should get that looked at.

David W Pratt
02-14-2019, 08:06 PM
I really don't know what method the then President of Venezuela did. I just observed that it didn't seem to work; and maybe they should try something else

peb
02-14-2019, 08:20 PM
In a way. He discouraged hard work and profiteering, and promised as if the oil wells would continue to operate themselves.Actually, Chavez/Maduro have been quite happy with profiteering, as long as it's their cronies. He certainly discouraged hard work and they have expected the oil Wells to operate themselves.

What is ironic is that the Cuban economy has been completely dependent on cheap/free Venezuelan oil for 20 years, have slowly and successfully taken over the Venezuelan government, and also were willing to sit and watch production progressiiveltly decline.

WX
02-14-2019, 08:58 PM
From observation when a politician talks about reform you can generally guarantee the benefits will flow up, not down.

mdh
02-15-2019, 02:17 AM
Actually, Chavez/Maduro have been quite happy with profiteering, as long as it's their cronies. He certainly discouraged hard work and they have expected the oil Wells to operate themselves.

What is ironic is that the Cuban economy has been completely dependent on cheap/free Venezuelan oil for 20 years, have slowly and successfully taken over the Venezuelan government, and also were willing to sit and watch production progressiiveltly decline.

Profiteering? More like graft and corruption, or outright theft. All industry declined under Chavez and virtually stopped under Maduro. A story was that a church or religious group here, was on their way to build some school or medical facilities in a rural area of Venezuela, when they got word that Chavez had confiscated the material they’d had delivered.

BrianY
02-15-2019, 02:22 AM
Profiteering? More like graft and corruption, or outright theft. All industry declined under Chavez and virtually stopped under Maduro. A story was that a church or religious group here, was on their way to build some school or medical facilities in a rural area of Venezuela, when they got word that Chavez had confiscated the material they’d had delivered.

So from all of the points you've raised, it seems obvious that the real problem with Venezuela is not that it's Socialist but rather that it has been run by corrupt and incompetent leaders.

mdh
02-15-2019, 02:44 AM
So from all of the points you've raised, it seems obvious that the real problem with Venezuela is not that it's Socialist but rather that it has been run by corrupt and incompetent leaders.

They always seem to go hand in hand, don’t they.

CK 17
02-15-2019, 07:09 AM
. Doing the same thing, expecting a different result

and I thought this pathetic thread was going to be about Elliot Abrams. Rep. Ilhan Omar really gave the felon the what for I’d say.

https://www.vox.com/latest-news/2019/2/13/18223744/ilhan-omar-elliott-abrams-el-salvador-venezuela

Keith Wilson
02-15-2019, 08:36 AM
They always seem to go hand in hand, don’t they.Don't be deliberately obtuse - or at least be clear about your terms. 'Socialism' could mean anything from Mao's China to Sweden in 1965, or even much of Western Europe today, if you listen to the National Review. Yes, communism has almost always been disastrous. Venezuela is a total clusterf*ck. Certain moderate varieties of democratic socialism mixed with some capitalism, OTOH, have been quite successful.

The mess in Venezuela has as much to do with Panera's failed experiment as the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald has to do with the Peron regime in Argentina.

oznabrag
02-15-2019, 10:31 AM
Don't be deliberately obtuse - or at least be clear about your terms. 'Socialism' could mean anything from Mao's China to Sweden in 1965, or even much of Western Europe today, if you listen to the National Review. Yes, communism has almost always been disastrous. Venezuela is a total clusterf*ck. Certain moderate varieties of democratic socialism mixed with some capitalism, OTOH, have been quite successful.

The mess in Venezuela has as much to do with Panera's failed experiment as the sinking of the Edmund Fitzgerald has to do with the Peron regime in Argentina.

The mess in Venezuela is almost completely down to corruption, but if mdh thinks Chavez was bad, wait 'til he experiences the fallout from Trump.