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Jim Bow
12-12-2018, 03:47 PM
His cruelty knows no bounds.

The Trump administration is resuming its efforts to deport certain protected Vietnamese immigrants who have lived in the United States for decades—many of them having fled the country during the Vietnam War.


https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/577993/

S.V. Airlie
12-12-2018, 03:51 PM
I'd like deporting him for using a doctor's feeble excuse to get outta going to Viet Nam.

Ian McColgin
12-12-2018, 04:06 PM
Somewhat lower than repulsive.

ron ll
12-12-2018, 04:07 PM
He’s just trying to change the headlines.

LeeG
12-12-2018, 04:13 PM
This is policy based on campaign appeals to bigotry and xenophobia. This is what happens when a troll is in the White House.

2020, the GOP is complicit. They don’t care.

woodpile
12-12-2018, 04:31 PM
This is all you have to read to know what is BS.

Washington now believes that the 2008 agreement fails to protect pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants from deportation, the spokesperson, who asked not to be identified by name because of embassy procedures, told The Atlantic.

John of Phoenix
12-12-2018, 04:47 PM
Your reading comprehension sucks. Here, misread this too.

The Trump administration’s move reflects an entirely new reading of the agreement, according to Ted Osius, who served as the United States ambassador to Vietnam from December 2014 through October 2018. Osius said that while he was in office, the 2008 agreement was accepted by all involved parties as banning the deportation of all pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants.

“We understood that the agreement barred the deportation of pre-1995 Vietnamese. Both governments—and the Vietnamese-American community—interpreted it that way,” Osius told The Atlantic in an email. The State Department, he added, had explained this to both the White House and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

S.V. Airlie
12-12-2018, 04:51 PM
Your reading comprehension sucks. Here, misread this too.

The Trump administration’s move reflects an entirely new reading of the agreement, according to Ted Osius, who served as the United States ambassador to Vietnam from December 2014 through October 2018. Osius said that while he was in office, the 2008 agreement was accepted by all involved parties as banning the deportation of all pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants.

“We understood that the agreement barred the deportation of pre-1995 Vietnamese. Both governments—and the Vietnamese-American community—interpreted it that way,” Osius told The Atlantic in an email. The State Department, he added, had explained this to both the White House and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.You expect him look it up JPO? Not on your life! Typical Trump supporter, eater to compare a brick, so it seems, with woodpile, et al than much else.

Garret
12-12-2018, 05:35 PM
This is all you have to read to know what is BS.

Washington now believes that the 2008 agreement fails to protect pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants from deportation, the spokesperson, who asked not to be identified by name because of embassy procedures, told The Atlantic.

What is BS is backing off on a practice agreed upon 23 years ago & possibly ruining the lives of people who've been living in the country for 40+ years. Won't the scared little Trumpists fee safer now? Now - go build the Mexico wall to guard us against Saudi Arabia...

Art Haberland
12-12-2018, 05:48 PM
Sending them to a country that doesn't want them due to their parent's involvement against the North during the war. I imagine their lives will be quite miserable and short once deported

Chris Smith porter maine
12-12-2018, 05:49 PM
What is BS is backing off on a practice agreed upon 23 years ago & possibly ruining the lives of people who've been living in the country for 40+ years. Won't the scared little Trumpists fee safer now? Now - go build the Mexico wall to guard us against Saudi Arabia...

And their children... going to suck staying in the US without mom and dad, of course his in-laws are all good.

StevenBauer
12-12-2018, 06:18 PM
Your reading comprehension sucks. Here, misread this too.

The Trump administration’s move reflects an entirely new reading of the agreement, according to Ted Osius, who served as the United States ambassador to Vietnam from December 2014 through October 2018. Osius said that while he was in office, the 2008 agreement was accepted by all involved parties as banning the deportation of all pre-1995 Vietnamese immigrants.

“We understood that the agreement barred the deportation of pre-1995 Vietnamese. Both governments—and the Vietnamese-American community—interpreted it that way,” Osius told The Atlantic in an email. The State Department, he added, had explained this to both the White House and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.

Hey, I went to High School with Ted. He graduated a year or two behind me.

SMARTINSEN
12-12-2018, 07:05 PM
This is mostly about Vietnamese immigrants who already have deportation orders.

But Jim Bow is right about the cruelty. It is a policy to deliberately invoke fear.


But while Obama often emphasized that some immigrants shouldn’t feel they were at risk of deportation — even when in practice, they were getting deported — Trump administration officials have consistently made it clear that any fear immigrants have of being arrested and deported is justified.

This is the most consistent pattern of the Trump administration’s deportation agenda. They don’t have the resources to deport everyone. They have instead acted to expand the pool of those who are vulnerable to deportation, and live under its threat



The rest of Dara Lind's very good explainer is here at VOX (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/12/12/18138323/trump-vietnamese-deport-refugees?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true)

skuthorp
12-13-2018, 04:18 AM
I'm surprised he didn't just do it all out in the open on afternoon TV………………………… again.

Ian McColgin
12-13-2018, 06:24 AM
So, woodpile appears to be against deporting these people who sided with us a half century ago - he claimed that the news story was untrue. Now that we know it's true, does he support our president on this or does he recognize this unconscionable betrayal for what it is.

C. Ross
12-13-2018, 07:38 AM
I'm waiting for the Trump administration to deport anyone white and non-Muslim.