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Paul Pless
11-03-2018, 11:49 AM
When was the last time you saw a Waco on floats?

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Paul Pless
11-03-2018, 11:50 AM
Kat and I are driving by the Waco factory as we speak.

amish rob
11-03-2018, 11:51 AM
Just now.

Peace,
Airplane Dumb

Paul Pless
11-03-2018, 11:52 AM
Kat and I are driving by the Waco factory as we speak.
I’m thinking we should stop. Kat is unconvinced.

amish rob
11-03-2018, 11:57 AM
I’m thinking we should stop. Kat is unconvinced.
The answer is plane as day.

Peace,
Robert

Old Dryfoot
11-03-2018, 12:13 PM
A Cessna 336 on pontoons.

https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/3/1/9/1/8/a6178946-136-cessna%20336%20on%20pontoons.jpg

Art Haberland
11-04-2018, 04:29 PM
A Cessna 336 on pontoons.

https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/3/1/9/1/8/a6178946-136-cessna%20336%20on%20pontoons.jpg

i didn't know you could put them on floats. i would have thought spray could affect the pusher prop and engine

skuthorp
11-04-2018, 04:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ6zTZuq5zw

Nicholas Scheuer
11-04-2018, 04:52 PM
Hey! I've long thought the Cessna 336 would be an IDEAL: float plane because kthe pilot could taxi on the aft engine and be free to handle dock lines or anchor either beside or forward of the cabin. However, when I recently discussed the 336 with a float pilot he was very skeptical.

rayman
11-04-2018, 06:38 PM
There was one of those cessna 336 floatplanes worked at whale spotting in the southern ocean at Albany West Australia many years ago, it was in a shed at the old factory along with a Catalina PBY. they might still be there.

AnalogKid
11-04-2018, 06:52 PM
The answer is plane as day.

Peace,
Robert

There he goes again, coaxing the willing. Next post from Paul will be 'My new float plane'.

Art Haberland
11-04-2018, 07:19 PM
Hey! I've long thought the Cessna 336 would be an IDEAL: float plane because kthe pilot could taxi on the aft engine and be free to handle dock lines or anchor either beside or forward of the cabin. However, when I recently discussed the 336 with a float pilot he was very skeptical.

The problem with the 336 is overheating the rear engine when idling or in taxi. There is is just not enough airflow over that engine when not in flight

Oysterhouse
11-04-2018, 07:43 PM
Nice.

C. Ross
11-04-2018, 07:59 PM
The Waco is super cool. Straight from the golden age of flight.

Nicholas Scheuer
11-04-2018, 08:06 PM
The problem with the 336 is overheating the rear engine when idling or in taxi. There is is just not enough airflow over that engine when not in flight

So the 336 taxis on the tractor engine only?

ron ll
11-04-2018, 08:45 PM
When’s the last time you saw a DC-3 on floats. (Excepting the last time I posted this.) A friend used to pilot this for a company somewhere in Maine or Vermont(?).

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Tar Devil
11-04-2018, 08:57 PM
If it flew, it probably floated! (https://www.boldmethod.com/blog/lists/2016/01/10-surprising-airplanes-flying-on-floats/?fb_comment_id=1075892702463552_1078642578855231)

Art Haberland
11-04-2018, 09:49 PM
So the 336 taxis on the tractor engine only?

You can taxi on both engines, and you do want both warmed up and running before take off, you just have to keep a keen eye on the temps and do you best not to let it run too long on the ground

Dave Hadfield
11-04-2018, 10:00 PM
The rear prop on a 337 will become pitted and eroded quickly because it's thrashing water during the takeoff. But if you budget for that, no problem. There's no affect on the engine.

And you would shut the rear engine down for taxying, to keep it cool.

But these days the PT-6 powered turboprop singles are cheaper to operate than the piston twins.

The marketplace is ruthless. On Canada's west coast, it's piston Beavers, Turbine Otters, and Twin Otters, on floats.

Dave Hadfield
11-04-2018, 10:13 PM
I wrote a story about flying this Waco, which once made a living on floats.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6/Glorious-Fun--Flying-the-WACO-Taperwing.aspx (http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/6/Glorious-Fun--Flying-the-WACO-Taperwing.aspx)

I miss the airplane...

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
11-05-2018, 01:51 AM
The problem with the 336 is overheating the rear engine when idling or in taxi. There is is just not enough airflow over that engine when not in flight

Which is why I've always thought the newer water cooled piston engines would be a perfect retrofit (and by newer, I mean 1990s). Turboprop might also be good, but an order of magnitude more expensive.

Paul Pless
11-05-2018, 07:05 AM
I miss the airplane...she's stunning

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woodpile
11-05-2018, 08:33 AM
When’s the last time you saw a DC-3 on floats. (Excepting the last time I posted this.) A friend used to pilot this for a company somewhere in Maine or Vermont(?).

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Located at Greenville airport, Me., modified for pontoons by Dick Folsom of Folsom Air Service, the only one in existence since WW2. Currently sitting in Greenville with pontoons removed, was too expensive to operate and last I heard is "for sale, like everything else in Greenville"

http://dc3dakotahistory.org/c-47dakota-military/gooney-bird-gets-water-wings/

Art Haberland
11-05-2018, 10:22 AM
Located at Greenville airport, Me., modified for pontoons by Dick Folsom of Folsom Air Service, the only one in existence since WW2. Currently sitting in Greenville with pontoons removed, was too expensive to operate and last I heard is "for sale, like everything else in Greenville"

http://dc3dakotahistory.org/c-47dakota-military/gooney-bird-gets-water-wings/

Buy the pontoons to build the ultimate "pontoon boat"?

Flying Orca
11-05-2018, 10:25 AM
There he goes again, coaxing the willing. Next post from Paul will be 'My new float plane'.

An old friend of my family not only bought the float plane, he recently moved to a place on the river so he can come and go from home. Nice work if you can get it.

amish rob
11-05-2018, 10:29 AM
An old friend of my family not only bought the float plane, he recently moved to a place on the river so he can come and go from home. Nice work if you can get it.

Makes me feel simple for wanting to live on water so I WOULDN’T have to drive or fly anywhere...

Peace,
Robert

Flying Orca
11-05-2018, 10:34 AM
Makes me feel simple for wanting to live on water so I WOULDN’T have to drive or fly anywhere...

He boats, too, but I think he keeps the boat by his cabin on an island in a big lake a couple of hours' drive from here, and uses the plane to get back and forth.

amish rob
11-05-2018, 10:43 AM
He boats, too, but I think he keeps the boat by his cabin on an island in a big lake a couple of hours' drive from here, and uses the plane to get back and forth.

Haha. I am so simple as to not even fathom the idea of two residences. I’d settle for the one I could keep.

Then again, if I had a island home somewhere, I sure wouldn’t want to be anywhere else. :) (I figured I better add this danged thing, even though I really hope you know I was being silly.)

Peace,
Robert

Flying Orca
11-05-2018, 10:54 AM
Haha. I am so simple as to not even fathom the idea of two residences. I’d settle for the one I could keep.

Then again, if I had a island home somewhere, I sure wouldn’t want to be anywhere else. :) (I figured I better add this danged thing, even though I really hope you know I was being silly.)

Peace,
Robert

Right there with ya - this guy isn't a gazillionaire or anything, but he's done quite well in business, so he can afford the toys. The summer cottage thing is a tradition here, something many people aspire to; I suppose even Oystagirl and I technically qualify, as she is fixing up a tiny (240 square foot) cottage up on the lake, but it's not currently livable.

amish rob
11-05-2018, 11:00 AM
Right there with ya - this guy isn't a gazillionaire or anything, but he's done quite well in business, so he can afford the toys. The summer cottage thing is a tradition here, something many people aspire to; I suppose even Oystagirl and I technically qualify, as she is fixing up a tiny (240 square foot) cottage up on the lake, but it's not currently livable.

See? The two house thing as a seasonal type deal I never considered. Living, as I do, in a wonderfully temperate climate, I’ve really no need to move with weather.

Though the Indians who lived here did. We live on the edge of the old lake bed, right about where folks coming down from the mountains would find the shoreline.

I sometimes try hard to imagine the rivers untamed and swollen, and the dry lake full, the land everywhere flooded. My wife’s grands have pictures of them waterskiing behing an old jalopy truck before the last flood control dam was erected. A project, ironically enough, that same grandfather worked on. Ironic because he laments the passing of the old dry lake. “I miss those days”, he says. :)

Peace,
Robert