Whilly Boat

[gwen]

I'm just anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Ian Oughtred Whilly Boat plans so we can get going on the construction.
Any tips and tricks anyone wants to share?? How about hardware availability??? Classicmarine in the UK has been mentioned....
Cheers!

[StevenBauer]

I bought the rudder hardware for Gavin's Elf from Moray at Classic Marine. Just beautiful. Pricey, with the exchange and all, but beautiful. :D
have fun! What are you using for materials?

Steven

[gwen]

Thanks for the reply Steve!

Well...not sure yet regarding the materials we'll use. The boat is going to be built in South Carolina, so I'm sure we'll be able to find a good grade of marine ply out there, and other than that we have a lot of cypress stored and some mahogany left over..perhaps even a bit of Douglas Fir. A real west coast - east coast JUMBLE.

Cheers!
Gwen

[Captain Pre-Capsize]

Not to throw cold water on your plans here but there have been several folks that have built the Whilly boat in the past who voiced the same concern having completed it. They wished it were bigger. Iain stretched many of his designs in the new catalogue so this may solve it. But look carefully at the interior and consider how many will be aboard before commencing construction.

[StevenBauer]

Do you know about this place?

The Caledonia Yawl & Voyage of The Aegre (http://www.mavc2002.com/cyforum/index.php)

Steven

[gwen]

Thanks for the link Steven!!

I've heared a few people mention that the Whilly Boat is small. Since there are only 2 of us that will be sailing it, I think we should be OK. Cozy.

I'm wondering how the balanced lug will perform with this boat??? It looks beautiful...I'm just not sure how the performance is. I've only sailed Gunther and marconi rigs.

Cheerio for now!
-Gwen

[Barry]

Hey Snow Cone
Is That A Whilly Boat or a WILLY BOAT !!!!!
NUDGE, NUDGE, WINK,WINK :D :D

And White Rock ain't Vancouver.
Hows the dress shop??

SPANKY says Hi.

Watch out for this one boys, she's a Hellcat!!! tongue.gif tongue.gif :D

[ 02-06-2005, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: Barry ]

[gwen]

Alright SPANKY.....take off those aviators, pull up your tighty-whiteys, comb your hair and pick up the phone.

My W-H-ILLY boat project is is full force, ordered the bronze rudder gear...looks grrrreat....you should come to SC this summer and HELP instead of posting rude messages on this wonderful "WOODEN BOAT" forum.

Nice moves, pal. Nice!!!

[yorgie]

Hey Gwen,are sure you're not "almost White Rock".As a former "almost White Rocker" I can now say that I was Surrey. ;)

Hope to see that Whilly Boat undersail while I'm having lunch on the balcony of Uli's.

[generic]

South Carolina, or as I affectionately call it "The Retard State", is sadly lacking in all things non-fibreglass.If you're in Charleston you can buy Occume, if that's your poison, otherwise be prepared to go out of state.
Bring your own lumber also, it aint cheap and you'll be hard pressed to find a piece of wood over twelve feet long in anything other than the ubiquitous "Southern Yellow Pine".Sorry :(

[casem]

Re: the Whilly Boat being a little bit small.

I may have been one of the ones who have commented about this. Of course, on the other hand, there are certainly times when I wish it was smaller (like right now while I am revarnishing).

I built the version with fwd and aft decks, and streched it out to 15', gunter rig. My boat has a centerboard (daggerboard would give valuable additional room - go with it if you can). I go out often single handed and it is just about perfect. I can go overnight on it comfortably (by myself).

With two people, the additional passenger ends up sitting in the space between the fwd deck bulkhead and the support knee (holds up the mast). On the plans, one of the options is to place the fwd bulkhead at station 2, which I did, to give more volume inside the fwd deck in case of a capsize. Of course, this leaves less room for the passenger/crew. So keep this in mind if and when you put in that bulkhead.

Or you could just leave the boat open. I must say I've been sailing mine for three years and I've never come close to capsizing, but I am usually in protected waters (< 2ft seas).

Overall I am thoroughly pleased with the boat. Good luck!

Edited to clarify what I mean by going overnight comfortably. Since I am still fairly young I can be pretty uncomfortable and still be "comfortable", if you see what I mean. If you are going to sleep on the floorboards that means you have to squeeze some part of your body between the 9 inches or so between the floorboards and the thwart.

[ 02-09-2005, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: casem ]

[gwen]

Good info.....THANK you so much for the comments!

At most there will be 2 of us sailing....young, don't mind the squeeze either, so we're really looking forward to building her.

Not sure of the configuration yet, but your ideas are of GREAT help. We're going to sit down and draw up a few ideas. I like the open plan myself, but we'll see.

Any suggestions on where to get the sails made??? Good quality sewing etc???

[StevenBauer]

For the sails ifyou are a total do it yourselfer you can get a kit from www.sailrite.com. (http://www.sailrite.com.) It might cost around $150 or $200. That's what I did for my 14' John Gardner skiff. My wife is a quilter so I knew we could do it together. But it was harder than I thought. It came out OK.
But, for the Oughtred Elf my son and I are building I had a sail made by Addiction Sailmakers (Forumite Todd Bradshaw smile.gif ). It cost about twice as much but it is beautiful! Just amazing. If you saw the two sails next to each other there would be no mistaking the home made from the professional. Mine works fine but his is a work of sailmakers art.

Steven

[gwen]

Thanks Steven.........

I looked into Sailrite, but I think I'd prefer something professionally made....I figure if I put all this effort into the hull, I want the sails to go along with it.......what the heck.
Can't sew worth a darn...

What do you folks think of tan bark coloured sails????

[shamus]

Personally I think they're a bit twee, but it's only an opinion. I chose cream dacron and a gaff rig of about the same area as the designers sail plan. It performs well. Some would say it's an overcomplication. I put in about the same amount of buoyancy as on the plans. In fact identical in the stern, but a bit different in the bow. It looked to me as though anything I put on the foredeck would slide off, and as I thought I would like to chuck a bag of odds and ends on there I fashioned a deck parallel with the waterline instead of following the line of the sheerplank. On top of that I put in a front thwart which stops stuff sliding off. Just something which was important to me.

I can hear the "Why do they want to change the plan" crew gnashing their teeth here. Because it's better- that's why. I also did away with the high decorative stem, which no doubt looks fine in Scandinavia, but looks like an affectation here.

I reckon the boat is just big enough for two. Like Casem I've found it reasonably docile. I've bottled it for fun in smooth water. In rough water I think the chances of baling it out after capsize would be roughly zilch. It holds a lot of water and floats pretty low, so I think you'd ship water faster than you'd get rid of it. Have at it!

[Barry]

Originally posted by gwen:
Any suggestions on where to get the sails made??? Good quality sewing etc???Gwen
Talk to Jan On Gabriola. she was doing sails for Barefoot. I think she and Scotty are still around. Call Richard, he'll know. Did you ask Carol for any leads? Tanbark is a bit Twee.

Got some work down in Sausilito.(couple of weeks doing interior on an Alberg 34" yawl)
Also, maybe something at the Boatel. I'll be back
up there next week (Heather is losing her patience) to close on the house. I'll Call if I come through Tswassen.

[ 02-11-2005, 12:43 AM: Message edited by: Barry ]

[Venchka]

One question: did you order Whilly boat plans? Or Little Tern plans? Little Tern is the name of the updated boat. Iain redrew all of the smaller double enders in 2003. I do hope you get the newer plans. I recall seeing a note on the original Whilly boat plans that said the boat could be built to 15'-6" LOA. Probablly a good thing to do. Iain states that Little Tern is 15'-2" LOA x 5'-1" beam.

Get the new plans!

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[gwen]

Yes, managed to get the 'new' plans for the Whilly Tern.

Why does the Wooden Boat Shop still sell the old ones and not the newer revised version though I wonder..........

Cheers

[Venchka]

Probably an old marketing agreement with Iain left over from the days when he was in residence at WoodenBoat. Maybe that's why he updated the boats so buyers would have to come to him for the plans. Hmmmmmmmmmm..........

No worries about the why's and wherefore's, I'm glad you got the most current plans. Now, start laminating some yellow cedar for the backbone and get cracking! :D

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[Whilly_Bert]

I don't think it's a marketing agreement.

I know both plans (build a Whilly Boat for myself). There is a light difference in character between the Whilly Boat and the Whilly Tern.

The Whilly Boat is for rowing & sailing.
The Whilly Tern is for sailing & rowing.

The first is basically a good rowing boat, and quite tender in sailing (but you get used to it).
The second is basically a sailing boat, broader, more stable, but not so good in rowing.

It's a question of what you prefer.

Regards

W_B

[Venchka]

No argument that Iain redesigned some of his older boats to improve their sailing qualities.

That wasn't the question. The question was why does WoodenBoat only sell a few of his older designs. The plans that WoodenBoat sell date back to the days when Iain was working at WoodenBoat. They don't sell all of his plans. That is why if you want the latest and greatest selection of Iain's plans, you really should go directly to him.

Wayne
In the Swamp. :D

[ 02-13-2005, 12:57 PM: Message edited by: Venchka ]

[Ian Pavey]

Originally posted by gwen:
I'm just anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Ian Oughtred Whilly Boat plans so we can get going on the construction.
Any tips and tricks anyone wants to share?? How about hardware availability??? Classicmarine in the UK has been mentioned....
Cheers!

[Ian Pavey]

Originally posted by gwen:
I'm just anxiously awaiting the arrival of my Ian Oughtred Whilly Boat plans so we can get going on the construction.
Any tips and tricks anyone wants to share?? How about hardware availability??? Classicmarine in the UK has been mentioned....
Cheers!I'm building a Whilly Tern in Western Australia. A few things to note: most importantly the mould at station 1 is wrong. It's not much, just positioning of the apron cutout. Refer to the table of offsets and you can correct it easily (or email me and I can send you a PDF of that bit).

Secondly, We use metrics in Australia. There are one or two miscalculations including the foot of the lug sail and the length of the building frame. I've been in touch with Iain and he's dealing with these.

Good luck and have fun!

[john denunzio]

ian p. in western oz says that mould #1 is drawnslightly wrong . i'm installing moulds on my building ladder today. ian, can you help me with some specifics? what correction should i make on mould #1 ?

[Domesticated_Mr. Know It All]

John.....e-mail Ian P. direct if he dosen't see your post.

at.....
vectis@highway1.com.au

Good Luck. ;)

[john denunzio]

thanks mr. know it all for ian's e-mail. i sent him a note asking for help. i appreciate your help.
john