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Boston
10-01-2018, 01:31 PM
We can be 100% sure Kavanaugh is lying

So why is it so hard for Republicans to admit it.


https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

ron ll
10-01-2018, 01:34 PM
We can be 100% sure Kavanaugh is lying

So why is it so hard for Republicans to admit it.


Job security.

Nicholas Scheuer
10-01-2018, 01:55 PM
Look no further than Trump; Repugs don't mind lies at all.

Canoez
10-01-2018, 02:09 PM
I'm pretty sure that unless his hand is literally seen in the cookie jar, anything he has done or any flaws hr has will be overlooked by a majority of Republican members of Congress.

John of Phoenix
10-01-2018, 02:14 PM
Even kavanaugh could shoot someone on 5th Avenue...

LeeG
10-01-2018, 03:09 PM
Theyre little lies. He is stridently partisan. GOP/McConnel prioritize party over SC integrity and nations security.


https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/28/17914308/kavanaugh-ford-question-dodge-hearing-chart

woodpile
10-01-2018, 03:22 PM
Yada, yada, yada, please pass the cool aid.

S.V. Airlie
10-01-2018, 03:24 PM
Yada, yada, yada, please pass the cool aid.Just what you should drink!But, don't worry, the Republicans can guarantee it's not poisonous! But, they lie, want too chance it woodpile?

John Smith
10-01-2018, 04:26 PM
My view goes further. One can refuse to answer a question if one fears it will incriminate him.

Given that confirmation hearings are not trials, the nominee ought to answer questions. Ducking, dodging, changing the subject, or refusing to answer a hypothetical, or refusing to answer a non hypothetical, would cause me to vote no.

I am deeply saddened by Susan Collins, who claims to believe in a woman's right to abortion, accepting answers that Roe is 'settled law' or 'established precedent' when the Supreme court is not bound by either.

When asked if he would overturn Roe, nothing short of an actual answer should be accepted. I have no doubt he's promised Trump he will do so. Or that the last nominee, and the next nominee, promised/will promise Trump to do so.

Wiggling around answers, IMO, disqualifies. As a nation, as I've often said, we need to demand honesty from our politicians. That goes for nominees.

S.V. Airlie
10-01-2018, 04:31 PM
I hope Collins enjoys the last 2 yrs before her retirement.

johnw
10-01-2018, 04:32 PM
Yada, yada, yada, please pass the cool aid.

You've been Bogarting it.

woodpile
10-01-2018, 04:35 PM
How so?
How so? Just a simple question, what specifically has been proven that Kavanaugh lied about?

S.V. Airlie
10-01-2018, 04:43 PM
How so? Just a simple question, what specifically has been proven that Kavanaugh lied about?Think Calandar with the notations he wrote on certain days, he lied about them. He lied about his involvement in Water Boarding and his work in the Bush WH. The Republicans ignored those tidbits with good reason; as being in charge (loosely said) he'd have too charge Brett with perjury and we can't have that now can we? His last ruling about a pregnant girl in some concentration camp. He ruled that she couldn't have an abortion and yet, Roe vs Wade said Abortions are still the law of the land. It's pretty obvious with all of his saying Abortion is the law of the land, he can't wait to overturn it. Even Trump sees that, it's why he nominated him. And don't say Trump didn't say it, it was a priority on his list.

And his comment to the Sen from MN was totally out of line but, of course, she's not only a Senator, she's a women. Women to POS's like poor entitled men like Brett are second class citizens and he's confirmed it in spades. No one, a 53 yr. old man should say what he did, it demonstrates everything bad about what a SC justice should be.

LeeG
10-01-2018, 04:51 PM
How so? Just a simple question, what specifically has been proven that Kavanaugh lied about?

It requires reading. In a nutshell he dissembles. He constructs an answer that rest upon false or misleading assumptions. It shows a willing effort to mislead.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

Old Dryfoot
10-01-2018, 05:00 PM
How so? Just a simple question, what specifically has been proven that Kavanaugh lied about?

How about the drinking game he plucked from his a**?

S.V. Airlie
10-01-2018, 05:02 PM
How about the drinking game he plucked from his a**?Of course, the Devil's Triangle wasn't a drinking game was it Brett?

Hugh Conway
10-01-2018, 05:42 PM
How so? Just a simple question, what specifically has been proven that Kavanaugh lied about?

being legal to drink alcohol in high school.

Osborne Russell
10-01-2018, 05:55 PM
How so? Just a simple question, what specifically has been proven that Kavanaugh lied about?

If he has no memory, he isn't lying. Has it been proven that he is lying about having no memory?

Dannybb55
10-01-2018, 06:36 PM
I wish dick Cheney would take him hunting, Bang! Oops

Dannybb55
10-01-2018, 06:42 PM
I remember sods like him when I was in school. Little entitled frat boys who's parents could afford to buy them friends, never had to do well in class because when they staggered out of campus a pseudo bro would get them a job. For us that worked our way through and earned our grades by our own effort, those snobs are anathema.

Chris Smith porter maine
10-01-2018, 07:00 PM
It requires reading.

Well that's out.

Boston
10-01-2018, 07:12 PM
How so? Just a simple question, what specifically has been proven that Kavanaugh lied about?

Clearly you didn't read the article presented in the OP.

Frost
10-01-2018, 07:19 PM
Reporting tonight says that Bret contacted College friends a while back about a soon to be released New Yorker article about him waving his winkie in Deb Ramireze's face. So, he was aware of the reporting before it became public, but said at the hearing that he learned of it upon release. Also, communicating with potential testifiers is problematic at best, witness tampering at worst. A Federal Judge should know better. This guy is a partisan hack and is taking lessons from the orange man.

Now, there will be a far right person appointed to the court for sure and I accept that. To hang on to this guy makes no sense unless you consider that he's one of a few jurists that are against a sitting President being indicted (unless its a Clinton).

Old Dryfoot
10-01-2018, 08:24 PM
Just caught the tail end of something with Avenatti on CNN, something about a witness that saw Kavanaugh spike punch with ludes and alcohol?

johnw
10-01-2018, 08:35 PM
From The American Conservative:


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/Kavanaugh and the Rule of Law (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/kavanaugh-and-the-rule-of-law/) Posted on September 30, 2018, 11:41 PM (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/kavanaugh-and-the-rule-of-law/) Daniel Larison (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/author/daniel-larison)






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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/kavanaugh-554x347.jpg Brett Kavanaugh with Sen. Mitch McConnell, Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. John Kyl. (Wikimedia Commons/White House/Public Domain.)

I have followed the Kavanaugh confirmation battle in the news pretty closely, but I haven’t written anything about it until now. I thought I ought to say something about it before the final vote is held. The outcome of the nomination will have consequences for the future of the Supreme Court and its legitimacy, and that in turn will affect our politics for many years and likely decades to come. When Kavanaugh was nominated, I became aware of some of his bad rulings on 4th Amendment and other issues, but I did not have reason to think he was unfit to serve. The last few weeks and Kavanaugh’s behavior during that time have led me to conclude that he should not be confirmed, and the main reason for that is that he has lied (https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/28/kavanaugh-hearing-the-aftermath/) repeatedly under oath. Everyone that watched his testimony on Thursday was witness to it, and the evidence (https://theintercept.com/2018/09/29/the-unbearable-dishonesty-of-brett-kavanaugh/) that he lied (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-fact-check.html) to the Judiciary Committee many times (https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2018/09/28/the-lies-senators-must-tell-themselves-support-brett-kavanaugh/3Jy8vwnRx5PUwQtVHN3M5O/story.html) seems to me to be overwhelming (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/28/heres-where-kavanaughs-sworn-testimony-was-misleading-or-wrong/?utm_term=.4d62c0ec025b). For the purposes of determining whether he should be a Supreme Court justice, it doesn’t really matter why he lied or what he lied about. The fact that he knowingly gave false statements under oath should disqualify him.


The hearing on Thursday was a spectacle and an embarrassment for the nominee. Judge Kavanaugh comported himself poorly throughout, and during his angry opening statement he gave the committee members and the public ample reason to doubt his fitness for the Court before he answered any questions. Kavanaugh’s anger and accusatory tone were bad enough for someone who aspires to sit on the highest court, but the real problem lies with the multiple lies (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/09/kavanaugh-lied-senate-judiciary-committee.html) he told during his testimony. The judge has sought to present himself as someone beyond reproach both now and in the past, but he has gone so far to whitewash his excessive drinking habits (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/us/politics/chad-ludington-statement-brett-kavanaugh.html) and crude yearbook references that he has blown up his credibility in the process. Kavanaugh has gone to such lengths because he stands credibly accused (https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/28/the-record-supports-christine-blasey-ford/) of sexual assault when he was 17, and so he has attempted to eradicate anything from his past that might make that accusation seem easier to believe. His evasions and misrepresentations on these other points have only made his fervent denials of the very serious charge less believable, and in the process he has torched his reputation and rendered himself unworthy of the Supreme Court.


Almost twenty years ago, the House impeached then-President Clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice. Republican members emphasized again and again the importance of upholding the rule of law, and they insisted that no one, not even the president, should be above the law. Whatever their reasons for taking that position then, they were correct. Now Kavanaugh has committed the same crime of perjury, and the very least that the Senate can do is refuse to reward him for that crime by giving him a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court. If the Senate truly valued the rule of law, Kavanaugh’s nomination would never have made it out of committee. Unless it wants to make a mockery of both the Court and the rule of law, the Senate now has to defeat Kavanaugh’s nomination.

Nicholas Carey
10-01-2018, 10:51 PM
Seems like there's enough documentary evidence of multiple counts of perjury — to the Senate of the United States, and specifically in furtherance of his gaining positions in the Federal judiciary — that some well-place complaints to the Bar Association would likely result in disbarment, regardless of his prosecution for the same or impeachment.

A sitting, disbarred Federal judge? That would be, at least somewhat, satisfying.

John Smith
10-02-2018, 07:20 AM
Anyone actually paying attention will see this man has lied about a number of things, under oath. He's also declined to answer questions, though he hasn't plead the 5th.

Does anyone really believe an innocent man would not be screaming for a thorough investigation?

FBI, officially, has been limited severely. The press has not been. Current reporting is of actual documents that prove he lied about when he heard of some of the charges. He claimed he heard about them when the New Yorker article was published, but emails show that's not true.

This man reminds me of Eddie Haskell. Would you want HIM on the Supreme Court?

woodpile
10-02-2018, 08:22 AM
Ah, such brilliant legal minds we have here with all their evidence from the court of liberal media.

" this man has lied about a number of things, under oath" Has he been charged for lying under oath?

"Just caught the tail end of something with Avenatti on CNN" Now there's some reputable sources, suggest YOU do some reading on Swetnick's legal history.

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2018, 08:29 AM
Ah, such brilliant legal minds we have here with all their evidence from the court of liberal media.

" this man has lied about a number of things, under oath" Has he been charged for lying under oath?

"Just caught the tail end of something with Avenatti on CNN" Now there's some reputable sources, suggest YOU do some reading on Swetnick's legal history.If Grassley is running the hearing which he is woodpile, do you think he'd bring Brett up on charges for perjury? Yea, right, that wouldn't happen.Of the three major witnesses, I've got issues with Avenatti but, from what I see, the FBI isn't interviewing her anyway. I'm so pleased that no matter what is said against Brett, you just ignore it, a True Trump puppet through and through.

Tom Montgomery
10-02-2018, 08:30 AM
" this man has lied about a number of things, under oath" Has he been charged for lying under oath?Who do you imagine would formally charge Kavanaugh with lying under oath to the Republican-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee led by Chuck Grassley (R-IA)?

I really REALLY cannot wait for the mid-term election in November.

LeeG
10-02-2018, 08:35 AM
Ah, such brilliant legal minds we have here with all their evidence from the court of liberal media.
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Looks like you are challenged by a lack of understanding about simple words and concepts so you revert to lazy insults. Not being charged with lying doesn’t mean it didn’t occur.

“liberal media” is not a court, Kavanaughs senate hearing is not a trial. American Conservative is not “liberal media”.

Thanks for sharing.

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2018, 09:56 AM
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Tom Montgomery
10-02-2018, 11:27 AM
Karma is a beyotch.

John Smith
10-02-2018, 11:30 AM
Ah, such brilliant legal minds we have here with all their evidence from the court of liberal media.

" this man has lied about a number of things, under oath" Has he been charged for lying under oath?

"Just caught the tail end of something with Avenatti on CNN" Now there's some reputable sources, suggest YOU do some reading on Swetnick's legal history.

Just because the GOP doesn't care if he's committed perjury doesn't mean he didn't. Isn't it a bit odd that the same people who are loudly crying "innocent to proven guilty' were yelling "LOCK HER UP"?

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2018, 11:32 AM
Karma is a beyotch.Note to Kavanaugh, never put anything in writing!:d

John Smith
10-02-2018, 11:41 AM
I got a call earlier from a long time friend; life long Republican who did not vote for Trump.

He argued that Ford should realize that young men don't mature as soon as young women do, and what he did at that age ought not be held against him.

I asked him what he would think if he had actually raped her and she got pregnant. Should she forgive him because of his age?

I then pointed out that this is not his problem. His problem, IMO, is he's lying about it NOW. Her testimony was pretty clear that she only decided to do something when she saw he was on the short list for the high court. She sent a letter to her congresswoman, who gave it to Feinstein, who gave it to the FBI.

We don't know who leaked her name. She did contact the Post, so may they found her.

My friend an I did agree, based on people we knew, that he could have done this and not remembered it. That, however, brings us to his drinking. He denies drinking enough to 'pass out' but admits to drinking enough to 'go to sleep'. I'm not sure of the difference.

He could have said he drank a lot then, and he regrets it. He could apologize for anyone he may have harmed. He CHOSE to deny. He also got somewhat belligerent. Was he sober during his testimony?

It's becoming clear he lied about his drinking. He lied about "devil's triangle' meaning. He lied about the meaning of the alumni reference to one girl in his yearbook. He lied about Boofing (or whatever it is).

He lied about receiving stolen documents.

MOST OF HIS RECORD (90%) is still being withheld. What are they hiding?

John of Phoenix
10-02-2018, 11:46 AM
Sweet Mother of God reds are Disgusting.

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2018, 11:49 AM
If the nominee had been Obama's, the Republicans would be all over it with a wet blanket. As it's one of Trump's puppets, he can do no wrong!

woodpile
10-02-2018, 01:13 PM
If the nominee had been Obama's, the Republicans would be all over it with a wet blanket. As it's one of Trump's puppets, he can do no wrong!

very good, at least you got the last 5 words correct.

woodpile
10-02-2018, 01:15 PM
And the latest news, Kavanaugh threw ice in 1985 at a New Haven bar, this is getting serious.

George Jung
10-02-2018, 01:15 PM
I saw woodpile had posted, and figgered it'd be somethin' good!

Can't tell ya how disappointed I was.

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2018, 01:17 PM
very good, at least you got the last 5 words correct.Thank you professor, Too bad your vocabulary doesn't extend to more than two syllables! Funny, you can't respond to my post because you know what I wrote is the truth, Last resort, tear the poster apart! It's all you've got left in your quiver isn't it woodpile?

woodpile
10-02-2018, 02:49 PM
Sorry to disappoint you George.
Arlie, I'm well aware everything you print is the truth.

George Jung
10-02-2018, 02:49 PM
Thank you professor, Too bad your vocabulary doesn't extend to more than two syllables! Funny, you can't respond to my post because you know what I wrote is the truth, Last resort, tear the poster apart! It's all you've got left in your quiver isn't it woodpile?

Woodpile has a quiver? He strikes me as more of a slingshot sorta guy.

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2018, 02:51 PM
Of course you don't get it woodpile, it's not that he threw ice in his face, it's his attempt to make worse what technically winding down. He provoked the guy because he wanted to. Sows a lack of good sense at the least. Call it having been drinking too much courage out of a bottle.Only way to show what a BMOC he was.

woodpile
10-02-2018, 02:53 PM
Silly, fluffy spin.

Yep, as reported by the NYT liberal news media.

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2018, 03:00 PM
Yep, as reported by the NYT liberal news media.The incident was, now my question is, why did he throw ice cubes in the guy's face? How was he proved to do that? All you have to look at is his temperament, his feelings of superiority, his I'm special, I can do anything I want. Maybe you can explain why he did it that makes any sense woodpile.

S.V. Airlie
10-02-2018, 03:04 PM
No, I was talking about your interpretation.

In reality, the concern is not that he threw ice at someone in a bar, but rather that it is just one more piece of evidence that he profoundly lied during his Senate testimony. It is not good for the country to put a reflex perjurist on any court.

But, you know that.AND doesn't care!

John of Phoenix
10-02-2018, 03:11 PM
Sweet Mother of God reds are Stupid.

PeterSibley
10-02-2018, 07:53 PM
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Canoeyawl
10-02-2018, 09:26 PM
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