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LeeG
09-29-2018, 10:04 AM
that were put into place as a result of the Deep Water Horizon disaster.

Does any of this make sense to anyone?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/27/climate/offshore-drilling-safety-deepwater-horizon.html

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration has completed its plan to roll back major offshore-drilling safety regulations that were put in place after the Deepwater Horizon oil rig disaster in 2010 that killed 11 people and caused the worst oil spill in American history.

The Interior Department’s Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement, which was established after the spill in the Gulf of Mexico and regulates offshore oil and gas drilling, has finalized a proposal for loosening the regulations as part of President Trump’s efforts to ease restrictions on fossil fuel companies and encourage domestic energy production.
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Among the changes, the new rule removes a requirement for independent verification of safety measures and equipment used on offshore platforms.

It also removes a requirement that oil companies design their equipment to function in “most extreme” scenarios involving weather, high heat, strong winds or high pressure from within the undersea oil wells, which was a key factor in the deadly 2010 blowout.

And it removes a requirement that professional engineers certify the safety of the design of some pieces of offshore drilling equipment for new wells.
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The earlier rules, written in 2016 during the administration of President Barack Obama, tightened controls on “blowout preventers,” devices that are intended to stop explosions in undersea oil and gas wells, and called for rig operators to have third parties certify that the safety devices worked under extreme conditions. In the Deepwater Horizon spill, a supposedly fail-safe blowout preventer ended up failing after a section of drill pipe buckled.

S.V. Airlie
09-29-2018, 10:37 AM
So oil companies are left off the hook, no responsibly if something happens. Way to go Trumps!

CWSmith
09-29-2018, 10:54 AM
Profit. It's just short-term profit and the assumption they can beat the odds.

LeeG
09-29-2018, 10:55 AM
So oil companies are left off the hook, no responsibly if something happens. Way to go Trumps!

No they’re still on the hook but it’s up to the gov’t to protect people and resources and the 2010 disaster showed how expensive it is when a set of circumstances allows a failure to occur. I just don’t see how this benefits anyone except the profits of the industry.

S.V. Airlie
09-29-2018, 11:09 AM
No they’re still on the hook but it’s up to the gov’t to protect people and resources and the 2010 disaster showed how expensive it is when a set of circumstances allows a failure to occur. I just don’t see how this benefits anyone except the profits of the industry.You actually are saying the gov. is responsible. I see nothing about the oil companies being responsible. in your post. And if the gov. is responsible what you're saying is WE are responsible meaning, we'll end up paying the bill.

Too Little Time
09-29-2018, 11:58 AM
And it removes a requirement that professional engineers certify the safety of the design of some pieces of offshore drilling equipment for new wells.
https://www.workboat.com/news/offshore/deepwater-horizon-blowout-preventer-failed-due-to-unrecognized-pipe-buckling-report-says/

The identification of the new buckling mechanism for the drill pipe *– called “effective compression” – was a central technical finding of the draft report.
A professional engineering certification would have been worthless in the Deep Water Horizon incident. There was no engineering theory that predicted the buckling. So no way to determine if the design was sufficient or not. The failure was caused by a failure of imagination. There will always be such failures.

But the new regulations do seem to be a step backward.

LeeG
09-29-2018, 12:43 PM
https://www.workboat.com/news/offshore/deepwater-horizon-blowout-preventer-failed-due-to-unrecognized-pipe-buckling-report-says/

A professional engineering certification would have been worthless in the Deep Water Horizon incident. There was no engineering theory that predicted the buckling. So no way to determine if the design was sufficient or not. The failure was caused by a failure of imagination. There will always be such failures.

But the new regulations do seem to be a step backward.

pipe buckling was one of many factors contributing to the uncontrolled release of oil and gas. With the experience of the disaster and analysis thereafter new standards and certifications were implemented. You are comparing apples to oranges to imply recomendations for future drilling would travel back in time to DeepWater to prevent it.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVCOWejlag#fauxfullscreen

LeeG
09-29-2018, 12:53 PM
saftery?

Jimmy W
09-29-2018, 01:46 PM
https://www.workboat.com/news/offshore/deepwater-horizon-blowout-preventer-failed-due-to-unrecognized-pipe-buckling-report-says/

A professional engineering certification would have been worthless in the Deep Water Horizon incident. There was no engineering theory that predicted the buckling. So no way to determine if the design was sufficient or not. The failure was caused by a failure of imagination. There will always be such failures.

But the new regulations do seem to be a step backward.

Now the buckling is known, so a professional engineering certification is not worthless. You are right that we can't change the past, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to stop a repeat.

Rigadog
09-29-2018, 04:31 PM
From what I know the offshore drilling people are really good at running a drill. They went to school for it and they have equipment designed to drill a hole in the bottom. If the government gets involved they will mess things up, maybe make them use some other kind of drill and somebody will probably get hurt. The oil people can get the oil cause they like oil and somebody in the company used common sense or has a good nose to tell them where to drill. The nice oil is underwater. It's better oil than the stuff from the Middle East because that oil has some sand in it because it comes from a desert. You put it in a car or on a bicycle chain and pretty soon you have a big problem. The Arabs could take the sand out but they don't like us because we have a better country and it makes them mad. So we basically have to get our oil from the ocean close to home. But here's the problem. If you drill near the beach the government gets involved and they say Whoa! Hold your horse!, You can't drill a hole there because there's a starfish or something sleeping. But a starfish is not going to heat your house or make your car go fast. They are good for eating but that's about as far as it goes. But oil companies are starfish people too and also they like Seals and the kinds of birds that sit on the top of the water. Watch the television ads they run, that what it shows. It's not like they don't care. If some oil gets on an animal, they give volunteer people dish soap and teach them how to hold them and the animals get scrubbed very clean. Seals and most sea animals in their natural state smell really bad. You wouldn't want one for a neighbor. These animals smell really good at the end of the process and are generally improved. But yes sometimes oil leaks out, and it washes up on the beach and maybe gets on a few things. But you can gather it in a bucket and take it home and use it for whatever you want. It's free for the taking. It's good for an outdoor fire if you have friends over to drink some beer and cook clams, or you can put some on your deck to keep bugs out and make it waterproof. The oil companies never say "hey put that oil down, that's our oil!", even though technically it belongs to them and the had to spend a lot of money to get it. They are glad to let anyone have it for free.

Too Little Time
09-29-2018, 06:43 PM
Now the buckling is known, so a professional engineering certification is not worthless. You are right that we can't change the past, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to stop a repeat.
Your claim would be correct if the oil company engineers missed some calculation. But they did not. No professional certification would have made any difference.

Professionals doing certification will still miss the cause of failures because there is no theory or knowledge of those modes of failure.

Jimmy W
09-29-2018, 07:28 PM
Your claim would be correct if the oil company engineers missed some calculation. But they did not. No professional certification would have made any difference.

Professionals doing certification will still miss the cause of failures because there is no theory or knowledge of those modes of failure.
I'm not talking about "would have", I'm talking about might in the future.

skuthorp
09-29-2018, 07:31 PM
Hmm, a "We are all doomed so let's pull it all down now and make money" kind of governance……………...

Garret
09-29-2018, 09:25 PM
Obama put it in place so it's bad + this will help some of my oil buddies make more $. Sheesh. Don't you guys know anything?