View Full Version : Sunday afternoon. It looks like a boat!

John B
11-23-2003, 02:41 AM
I chopped out a new template for another kids dinghy last week , and sewed it up to have a look and cogitate on it for a few days. I faired a little here and trimmed a little there but it has the familial look I just can't help repeating.
We have a slight growth problem( with the boy) and he needs to go up a scale and his sister won't let him have the bigger of the existing boats.
It rained all sunday and by 2 in the afternoon I thought... perhaps I should go and get that pattern( at work. ) It took exactly 1 hour to trace it , cut it out and drill it.
Then I brought it home and sewed it up( with some help from the kids). Thats "Zip", the last one I made a year or two ago sitting inside the new one being the form. It has to nest inside so we can carry them aboard.
Eh voila... it looks like a boat. Now the work starts. the last one took the same to sew up and then about another 30 hours to "trim" LOL.

Good wee fix for a dirty day...

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11-23-2003, 02:45 AM
That looks nice, what sort of timber is it?

John B
11-23-2003, 02:46 AM
This is 'Zip', my daughters boat.It's been thrashed for a couple of seasons and has proved to be a good little boat. Kids up to about 10 can get in it and use it ok. edited to add... but better suited to 5 to 8 yrs

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John B
11-23-2003, 02:49 AM
Just meranti ply Stilletto. 4mm. Zip weighs 13 kg from memory.

edited... nah that was wrong by a factor of 2...LOL

3.5 kg as just a sewn hull, no gunwhales etc. 7 kg trimmed up finished. I thought it was interesting that the bits weighed as much as the bare hull......

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11-23-2003, 07:43 AM
Get them hooked early, nice little project.

11-23-2003, 07:54 AM
Very nice!

11-23-2003, 10:43 AM
And the best part of the project is what the proper use of the dining room table really is in a family who has it's priorities perfectly in order. http://www.speakeasy.org/~ncarey/images/smileys/wizard.gif

Paul Scheuer
11-23-2003, 11:23 AM
Nifty shop. :D

ken mcclure
11-23-2003, 12:12 PM
I have a shop similar to that, but SWMBO won't let me use it. I have to use the one with huge cobwebs in the windows, piles of sawdust everywhere and a draft that's usually around 8-10 knots from the northeast.

Ocean Spray
11-23-2003, 02:19 PM
I'd love to build one for my grandson (two years old).
Where did you get the design or plans? It looks like a
simple little project (aren't they all?) . . . . . . . and I love
the idea that it can be completly built on the dining room table.

John B
11-23-2003, 03:05 PM
I 'designed' it. It's from the school of " lets try this and see what happens".It could do with some refinement but I haven't got time to play. we need it for the christmas cruise.

It can't be completely built on the table. It just got assembled there cos it was raining outside and I've temporarily lost boat corner at work. 2 hours to cut and assemble but as I say ,probably another 30 to complete properly.
filleting inside next. and I very much doubt that THAT will happen inside the house. There's 3 other dinghies lying around outside and in the garage having just got their varnish so there's boats everywhere you look at the mo.

But it did happen. I filleted it last night and cut the ties off this morning. 4 kg... about 9 lds so far. that will at least double.

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Bob Smalser
11-23-2003, 03:40 PM
I'm certainly impressed...what a neat idea...any chance of posting an image of the patterns? Zip ties...woulda never thought of that.

Ocean Spray
11-23-2003, 03:56 PM
Well, since John's micro-dinghy design isn't in print, maybe someone else could direct me to where I could
find a simple well thought out stitch and glue micro-dinghy for my grandson?
. . . . . and I really like the idea that you can build it
on the dining room table(it would make a nice centerpiece for Thanksgiving)

John B
11-23-2003, 03:59 PM
They're ideal Bob. I broke a few but ended up with stronger ones in stress areas and lighter ones elsewhere. You get the clear/ white ones of course, cut the outside off after filleting and leave the inside part in the epoxy. It's quite a neat effect when the boat gets held up to the light. Fibreoptic!!! lol.

I'll get the patterns out for a photo.

John B
11-23-2003, 04:09 PM
I'll TRY the imagestation link....


or perhaps

which is primarilay the building of Zip plus afew others...

11-23-2003, 05:35 PM
Looks like a small canoe backpackers use, neat!

John B
12-01-2003, 03:28 AM
back to "Scram". Gunwhales on tonight.
I needed exactly 2 more clamps than I had access to. should have screwed the things on and accepted the holes... I'm in a hurry now. The silly season is upon us.

bloody &*^%$#.
those gunwhales didn't add enough strength. It's too limber.
inwhales needed as well... I could have screwed the things on!@#$%^&

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Wild Wassa
12-03-2003, 04:56 PM
John B, cool boat, but I like 'the room with a view' best. You must be a confident worker by not using a drop cloth, in the dining room, ... a craftsman.


12-03-2003, 05:47 PM
Looken good John and no matter how many clamps you have you will always be 2 short of what you need Thats just boat building smile.gif smile.gif .....Phil

ken mcclure
12-03-2003, 06:38 PM
...bloody &*^%$#... :D

I really need to step up to cursing in the downunder fashion. It's so much more satisfying...

Peter Malcolm Jardine
12-03-2003, 06:44 PM
ooooooo, and they look like they're all bessey's too... :eek:
Cool little boat ;)

John B
12-03-2003, 09:37 PM
It's easy to curse on keyboard Ken. See, 'It's just a step to the left....' ( I can't remember my Rocky Horror)
Craftsman! you must be joking mate. It's rip s*&^ and bust at this time of the year. Controlled R,S+B but doing it. getting it done is the goal.
Glass on the bottom and chines tonight perhaps.

The thing about the clamps is that there were 3 more in a box just where I left them. They weren't at home at all......
I have crap clamps too Peter. they're the ones that the biesseys replaced.

The inwhales added the strength I needed and cut down my nesting clearance at the same time. she won't fit together as well as I expected but TOUGH BANANAS.

an aside. We went past a launch called " Outa Here" on sunday. I said to the boy. " that's what we're calling the new dinghy"

" get Outa Here and get outa here" He didn't really like that.

" get Scram and scram" will do just as well I think :D

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John B
12-04-2003, 12:20 AM
There's something I just don't get about glass.
ah well. It'll be all scratched up in a month anyway.

John B
12-07-2003, 04:12 AM
Bottom is glassed and now the boat has a coloured FABRIC bottom for appearance and abrasion.fitted the skeg, rub strakes for the chines and rowlock pads. I bend a full length batten around from the breasthook right through to the end of the skeg. It's a bit sacrificial at the skeg end. This batten is a piece of heart kauri and it was like a bit of aluminium it was so hard. It rang when I dropped it on the concrete. 2 kettles of boiling water at the bow end and sprung around with the garden roller made it like butter..!LOL. I'll glue that on tommorrow.
We threw the boat in the neighbours pool( like the last 2 )and I'm satisfied that the thwart will be positioned correctly. doesn't hurt to check eh. I use the extremely technical and profoundly scientific method of balancing the boat on a batten and making that balance point the aft edge of the thwart. Looks perfec to me.
She floats high and just puts the chines in with the boy in it so I'm happy.

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12-07-2003, 04:33 AM
It's clear that you're getting a little dinghy in your old age! :D

John B
12-07-2003, 10:04 PM
the last one that got built "on forum" 2 years ago
Same photo nearly!!

John B
12-07-2003, 10:16 PM
seems longer than 2 weeks from pencil to splash. I'll finish it this week and get it aboard.

12-08-2003, 02:57 AM
I stand corrected and most humbly apologize! I was incorrect in assuming that you're getting a little dinghy in your old age: in fact, it seems that you're getting more dinghy in your old age! :D

John B
12-08-2003, 03:19 AM
to paraphase yourself at some time..
" mwahahahaha".

actually it's back in the living room. Kirsty is sewing up a hatch cover and I just glued the stem cum keel rub-rail on.

Got to figure out a removable thwart next. the last one clipped in but I'm thinking copper dowels and wedges perhaps for this one. :rolleyes:

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John B
12-12-2003, 11:44 PM
She scrams along quite nicely. Very pleased with the way it goes. We took it down to the lagoon to try out the oars. they're fine for length and balance by the looks. He looks like he has to work at it ( good, the oars aren't too short)but the boat flies along.gear ratio is good. Thanks for the help on that.

capt jake
12-13-2003, 12:13 AM
Maybe I missed it or something, But I don't think this question was answered.

Well, since John's micro-dinghy design isn't in print, maybe someone else could direct me to where I could
find a simple well thought out stitch and glue micro-dinghy for my grandson?
. . . . . and I really like the idea that you can build it
on the dining room table(it would make a nice centerpiece for Thanksgiving) I am also interested for the exact same reasons. smile.gif I love the lines of your boat and, like Ocean Spray, would love to build one for my grandson! smile.gif HINT HINT!!!! smile.gif smile.gif He will be born in three months, so I must get moving!! smile.gif ;)

I love this shot!! Great work!!

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Lucky Luke
12-13-2003, 09:09 AM
John, you're training the 2020 America cup winners there, ain't you? smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
Your little ones (the boats AND the kids) are wonderfull, and you are a GREAT Dad!!! smile.gif

12-13-2003, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by Lucky Luke:
John, you're training the 2020 America cup winners there, ain't you? smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif
Your little ones (the boats AND the kids) are wonderfull, and you are a GREAT Dad!!! smile.gif \

Watch out they don't get recruited by Switzerland smile.gif

John B
12-13-2003, 05:29 PM
Thanks for the comments.Very nice comments.Thanks again... much appreciated.

Much better than" dads crazy" when they saw the tie die style fabric I stuck on the bottom. " Scram" is the name ( not that anyone knows that SHHH)but a conversation with a few friends yesterday had us seriously considering "Like Groovy Man". You can tell that my friends and I were alive in the '60's and becoming human in the 70's eh. :D
I don't know what to do plans wise. this came up last time with Zip but then I got some of what basically amounted to hate mail telling me I'd be in for all sorts of trouble legality wise.I shelved it. I'll look at it in the new year. We should be off sailing on boxing day or the day after this year. smile.gif

cheers guys.

John B
12-13-2003, 05:53 PM