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Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 07:26 AM
We have two too many cats in the house. The last straw for me is that I picked up a loaf of bread on the counter and it had obviously been eaten by mice. Yesterday, with honeybunny’s reluctant acquiescence I kicked two of them out to be outdoor cats henceforth. Kat told me I had to build them a heated cathouse on stilts and get them a heated water dish before winter in two weeks.

This morning I go outside to pee and the two kittens bolt past me into the house. I followed them in whereupon the most pitiful of the two refugees presented us with an eviserated mouse.

Art Haberland
09-12-2018, 07:31 AM
I would say that is progress.

LeeG
09-12-2018, 07:38 AM
good negotiation, next a bread box.

Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 07:41 AM
next a bread box.its parts are on the table saw as we speak

meanwhike i’m trying to figure out how to feed two kittens outside without attracting every coon and ‘possum for five miles. . .

Keith Wilson
09-12-2018, 07:42 AM
A bread box would be a lot easier. Besides, who can resist something as charming and delightful as an eviscerated mouse as a peace offering? :D Mine have generally presented me with headless baby rabbits as tokens of esteem and affection.

Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 07:44 AM
A bread box would be a lot easier. Besides, who can resist something as charming and delightful as an eviscerated mouse as a peace offering? :D Mine have generally presented me with headless baby rabbits as tokens of esteem and affection.


You shoulda heard Katherine’s shriek. A headless baby rabbit would have been truly priceless. A few years ago when we had a proper cat before he died, Katherine awoke one morning with a dead mouse beside her on her pillow.:D

Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 07:52 AM
Kieth, the bread being eaten by mice, while the last straw, is the least of the problems from having too many cats in the house. . .

Keith Wilson
09-12-2018, 07:54 AM
Eeeew. Mine at least have the decency to leave them outside the door. That way I get to start my day by trying to avoid stepping on the corpse while leaving for work; always a treat.

Actually, the bread might have been chewed by the cats themselves. Some will do that, as far as I can tell just out of boredom or perversity.

downthecreek
09-12-2018, 08:01 AM
A few years ago when we had a proper cat before he died, Katherine awoke one morning with a dead mouse beside her on her pillow.:D

They brought her breakfast in bed. What's not to like?

Rich Jones
09-12-2018, 08:07 AM
Ours is an indoor cat. Living out in the boonies in the middle of the woods, we get mice coming inside all the time. The cat is pretty good at killing some of them. Lately he's gotten into the habit of eating the mice and just leaving the head in the middle of the living room floor for us to find.

elf
09-12-2018, 08:10 AM
Cats on the kitchen counter? Who's to blame for that?

Forget a breadbox. Keep the bread where the mice don't go - in the fridge. In fact, keep everything where the mice can't get at it.

My pantry is full of glass bottles. Noodles, sugar, flour, nuts, chocolate, dried fruit. All in glass bottles.

Look, there's stuff you can't fight, like coons eating the cat food. And there's stuff you can fight, like cats on surfaces where they don't belong. Since the cats are perfectly capable of catching mice, you need them inside to do so. And you don't need to encourage rodents outdoors near the house, or fights between cats and rodents.

Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 08:21 AM
Okay Emily here’s the big things that bother me. Cat piss where it doesn’t belong and wild cat fights across the bed where I am sleeping at two in the morning. Shredded furniture upholstery too. All of this was manageable with two old cats. With two old cats and two young cats all of it is constantly daily over the top.

Canoez
09-12-2018, 08:25 AM
You shoulda heard Katherine’s shriek. A headless baby rabbit would have been truly priceless. A few years ago when we had a proper cat before he died, Katherine awoke one morning with a dead mouse beside her on her pillow.:D

A friend of SWMBO's had a cat that constantly brought him "offerings". He figured he'd try a new plan to stop the offerings. When the cat brought a mouse to him, he got down on all fours, took the mouse between his teeth and shook the thing back and forth finally throwing the mouse a fair distance. Cat sat and stared at the guy. Cat remained a "hunter" for the rest of his life, but didn't bring any more "presents".

As a kid, we had a cat who was huge - size of a small dog - a cat-mutt that was probably part Maine Coon. He was a big-time hunter bringing in squirrels, rabbits, voles, mice, chipmunks and the occasional bird. Everybody had a "place" Offerings for my dad were left in front of his garage door. Offerings for my mom were left in the kitchen on the floor by the stove. Offerings for my brother and I were left in the side yard where we'd play.


They brought her breakfast in bed. What's not to like? :d:d:d

George Jung
09-12-2018, 08:27 AM
We had a cat once. My wife/four daughters wanted a cat. I didn't.

So we compromised... and got a cat.


Turns out, I'm allergic to cat dander, and it 'floats' - through the entire house, even if the cats don't have whole house access. Dog dander won't do that. When our cat went to that big catbox in the sky, we had a 'discussion' - no more cats. It's been nice.

AFA mousing... we compromised. Don't keep the birdseed in the garage; and set traps all over the place. I've probably caught a couple of dozen over the past year.

mmd
09-12-2018, 08:31 AM
Our present cat kills ground-dwelling stuff - mice, moles, snakes, and bunnies - and (mostly) eats all of it. Very occasionally, when she has been bad or we have been away (the cat thinks this is us punishing her) she brings a peace offering in to the floor of my basement office. Our previous cat was an aerial specialist - birds, bats, squirrels and chipmunks - and delighted in bringing them home alive. Nothing like having a bat or two released in your bedroom at three in the morning...

CK 17
09-12-2018, 08:34 AM
“This morning I go outside to pee”

How does this work in February?

Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 08:38 AM
in february i write my name in the snow :)

Ted Hoppe
09-12-2018, 08:39 AM
A cat house? A new business in hell... I suppose it could work, employ a bunch and bring more tourists. I don’t know about the breakfast in bed thing... someone will be calling a health inspector!

George Jung
09-12-2018, 08:51 AM
in february i write my name in the snow :)

When yer older, yer happy if you can just do your initials.... DAMHIKT

BrianY
09-12-2018, 09:53 AM
You have two problems:

1) you have too many cats.
2) you have mice in your house.

Putting some cats outside is going to wreak havoc on your local bird population so that's an irresponsible and environmentally damaging action that will not solve either of your problems. Getting rid of some of your cats and getting some mouse traps will.

Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 09:55 AM
Getting rid of some of your cats.this is not an option with my current wife

amish rob
09-12-2018, 09:58 AM
Paul,

You can train cats, just like dogs.

I didn’t believe it, either, but if I told you who told me, you’d believe it. Anyway, I’ve done it with the kittens. They understand the verbal command “no” and they come when called. Usually.

The smart one is learning how to indicate when wants water. She goes to the sink and howls. :)

Mind, these are only quarantined until their lady guts are removed. Then, they go outside, with inside privileges, if they behave.

None of our cats attack birds, but the older two are mouse, rat, and gopher killing fools. Have I related the tale of finding my rat tail file on the garage floor? Nope. Not my file! Haha.

Also, where are the mice entering? You’re missing the fun of the game. When you put a patch over the mouse hole, drive a bunch of extra nails of screws through, too.

Peace,
What?

elf
09-12-2018, 10:04 AM
Okay Emily here’s the big things that bother me. Cat piss where it doesn’t belong and wild cat fights across the bed where I am sleeping at two in the morning. Shredded furniture upholstery too. All of this was manageable with two old cats. With two old cats and two young cats all of it is constantly daily over the top.
Sift the box every day. Keep it clean. Neuter the cats.

Close the bedroom door. Or close the door of the room the cats spend the night in. (Don't sneer. They can be made to tolerate closed doors. But you must be rigorously consistent.)

Trim their claw tips. Spritz them when they scratch in the wrong places. Speak harshly to them when they do something wrong. Cuddle them all the rest of the time.

Look, just as dogs have to be house trained, cats do also. It's very difficult if you wait 'til they're adults, but much easier if you lay down all the laws during the third and fourth months of kittenhood. Most of them will learn if they also get regular food and ample compensatory affection. Also it really pays off to play with them until you exhaust their energy.

Vinegar is the antidote to pee. Pee is basic, vinegar is an acid. Vinegar works to eliminate the odor by neutralizing the pee.

You must establish the dominant position in the feline hierarchy. And it must be leavened with affection.

BrianY
09-12-2018, 10:04 AM
this is not an option with my current wife

then you actually have three problems:p

deal with the mice by setting traps. I guess you just have to learn to live with the other two problems

amish rob
09-12-2018, 10:45 AM
Have you built an enormous cat tree with dangly bits and tubes and such? Leftover trailer bunk carpet works great...

Peace,
Robert

Katherine
09-12-2018, 10:52 AM
this is not an option with my current wife
This is going to cost you.

amish rob
09-12-2018, 10:57 AM
This is going to cost you.
I can get you six kittens today.

Peace,
Helpy Helperton

Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 10:57 AM
Oh hi babe, didn’t see you there! How’s your day going?

George Jung
09-12-2018, 10:59 AM
No kibbles 'n bits for you! :P

Flying Orca
09-12-2018, 11:00 AM
Sift the box every day. Keep it clean. Neuter the cats.

BoxES. The expert recommendation is at least as many boxes as you have cats, preferably n+1, although we've managed to get by with one box and two cats. Clean twice a day, or use silica gel, which reduces necessary cleaning to almost zero.

CWSmith
09-12-2018, 11:02 AM
We have two too many cats in the house. The last straw for me is that I picked up a loaf of bread on the counter and it had obviously been eaten by mice.

You have mice inside, so you want to put cats outside? What am I missing?

Are they making mouse sandwiches?

CWSmith
09-12-2018, 11:03 AM
this is not an option with my current wife

That reminds me of the story of the man who used to introduce his wife as "...my first wife."

I tried it once. I'm too old to sleep on the sofa.

George Jung
09-12-2018, 11:04 AM
I use that joke all the time..... swmbo thinks it's hilarious! Really!...

Hello? Is this thing on?

Canoez
09-12-2018, 11:05 AM
Well, this IS the tale (tail?) of Kitty and Pooh.

downthecreek
09-12-2018, 11:07 AM
Putting some cats outside is going to wreak havoc on your local bird population

No necessarily. My cats (rescued brothers from the same litter) can go out during the day and occasionally find mice to bring home as their contribution to the domestic economy. Their aim seems to be to stock, the house with mice, not banish them (these are actually little field mice) Most of the time I can catch their victims, who are not usually harmed, and restore them to the bosom of their little murine families. But birds? They just don't do birds. I suppose they might have had about three young ones in the nearly four years they have been with me.

Jim Bow
09-12-2018, 11:07 AM
We once had a cat that would chew through bread bags. Had to lock up the bread.

oznabrag
09-12-2018, 11:33 AM
We once had a cat that would chew through bread bags. Had to lock up the bread.

We had a cat once who was nuts about popcorn.

Katherine
09-12-2018, 11:40 AM
I can get you six kittens today.

Peace,
Helpy HelpertonIf they are orange tabbies, it's a deal.

J P
09-12-2018, 11:46 AM
We have two too many cats in the house. The last straw for me is that I picked up a loaf of bread on the counter and it had obviously been eaten by mice. Yesterday, with honeybunny’s reluctant acquiescence I kicked two of them out to be outdoor cats henceforth. Kat told me I had to build them a heated cathouse on stilts and get them a heated water dish before winter in two weeks.

This morning I go outside to pee and the two kittens bolt past me into the house. I followed them in whereupon the most pitiful of the two refugees presented us with an eviserated mouse.

You could go big with the little cathouse project ... say, big enough for a horse. Horses and cats usually enjoy each others company and the cats can drink out of the horse's heated water bucket. But then you'd also need a shed for several tons of hay, and there's the tack, and maybe a trailer ...

Thanks for the reminder that winter is in two weeks.

David G
09-12-2018, 11:53 AM
That reminds me of the story of the man who used to introduce his wife as "...my first wife."

I tried it once. I'm too old to sleep on the sofa.

My phrase is, "... my starter wife". After 43 years together, she always says: good luck finding another one. But, hey, how hard could it be for an impecunious, old, fat, short, gray, grouchy guy to find women? Should be a snap, eh?

She had maybe 5 cats when we met (I could never keep track). We're now down to one. So... Paul... there IS hope. It only took 4+ decades.

Andrew Craig-Bennett
09-12-2018, 12:18 PM
They brought her breakfast in bed. What's not to like?

For the last five years of her life, Squeak, a timid little Siamese, presented me with a mouse for breakfast every day. She knew that I didn't like birds, because, as she found for herself, their feathers stick in your teeth.

Bobcat
09-12-2018, 12:27 PM
My cat, also a Squeak, brought in a blue jay alive, just for the joy of watching her human chase it around the house.

Flying Orca
09-12-2018, 12:36 PM
The closest Piggles and Buddy will get to outside is a catio, unless we take them out on a leash. Downtown neighbourhoods full of ferals and cars are not safe places for my cats.

The saga of a Winnipeg cat, from insanely talented songwriter John K. Samson. Fair warning: if you love cats, this will make you cry. It's missing the first installment, "Confessions of a Futon Revolutionary", a song in which Virtute appears but not by name.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zYG186spkY

BrianY
09-12-2018, 01:45 PM
No necessarily. My cats (rescued brothers from the same litter) can go out during the day and occasionally find mice to bring home as their contribution to the domestic economy. Their aim seems to be to stock, the house with mice, not banish them (these are actually little field mice) Most of the time I can catch their victims, who are not usually harmed, and restore them to the bosom of their little murine families. But birds? They just don't do birds. I suppose they might have had about three young ones in the nearly four years they have been with me.

Maybe your cats are the exception or maybe you live in an area with few birds, but just because they don't bring you dead birds doesn't mean they aren't killing them. Domestic cats that allowed to roam outdoors kill an estimated average of two animals per week (according to the Wildlife Society and the American Bird Conservancy). Feral cats kill far more.

Don't get me wrong - I like cats and would probably have one if I wasn't allergic to them, But letting any cat roam around outside where it is free to exercise its instinctive hunting abilities is irresponsible and environmentally unsound. Cats are predators and if allowed to, they will hunt and kill.

Paul Pless
09-12-2018, 01:47 PM
Cats are predators and if allowed to, they will hunt and kill.
does this mean i won't need to feed the outside cats???

BrianY
09-12-2018, 01:53 PM
does this mean i won't need to feed the outside cats???

If you don't feed them, they will feed themselves assuming there's enough small prey available.

oznabrag
09-12-2018, 02:16 PM
My cat is a rat killing machine.

She won't eat 'em, but hunting them makes her very hungry.

We are coming to the time of year where the field rats begin to have thoughts of a warm home for the Winter . . . She loves this time of year.

downthecreek
09-12-2018, 02:25 PM
Maybe your cats are the exception or maybe you live in an area with few birds, but just because they don't bring you dead birds doesn't mean they aren't killing them.


Wrong on all counts. None of the cats we had here have been great bird killers - I know because they are home bodies by nature, don't roam far and do bring in their prey, furry or feathered. And we have lots of birds, quite a few of which nest in the trees around the garden. You should hear the dawn chorus in spring.

They like to hunt sometimes, certainly, but with plenty of easy prey amongst the local mice, why bother with canny birds? Statistical averages are never a reliable way to predict or discern the behaviour of individuals.

Durnik
09-12-2018, 02:27 PM
kill an estimated average

All of the many stories on the dangers to birds from cats rely on that 'estimated' value. I live & have lived my entire life in rural America across a broad swath of east of the Mississippi.. and nearly always in the company of cats.. and they vastly prefer furry to feathery. Vastly.

Meanwhile, the true killers of birds have great PR. I speak of the pesticide & herbicide 'industry'. Rachel Carson warned us (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring) 60 some odd years ago.. but, PR.

bobby - tired of the b.s.

downthecreek
09-12-2018, 02:29 PM
All of the many stories on the dangers to birds from cats rely on that 'estimated' value. I live & have lived my entire life in rural America across a broad swath of east of the Mississippi.. and nearly always in the company of cats.. and they vastly prefer furry to feathery. Vastly.

Meanwhile, the true killers of birds have great PR. I speak of the pesticide & herbicide 'industry'. Rachel Carson warned us (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring) 60 some odd years ago.. but, PR.

bobby - tired of the b.s.

You speak sooth.

johnw
09-12-2018, 02:31 PM
its parts are on the table saw as we speak

meanwhike i’m trying to figure out how to feed two kittens outside without attracting every coon and ‘possum for five miles. . .

A bread box shouldn't take any longer to build than a bathroom remodel.

Canoeyawl
09-12-2018, 05:47 PM
does this mean i won't need to feed the outside cats???

In a month or two you won't have to worry about feeding them , they will freeze to death.

Did I ever tell about the time I came upon a mother cat with 3 kittens suckling? It was Massachusetts in January, just beyond the Oak tree out beyond our house. They were all curled together under some dried twigs, leaves and snow, frozen solid into one piece.
I was about ten years old, and I can still see them today just as they were, Damn that still hurts.

gilberj
09-12-2018, 06:00 PM
The best and most reliable way to get cats out of the house permanently, is to get a dog that cannot be trained to tolerate cats or other small creatures. I truly know this........Our cats have not been inside the house since we got the Bunyip monster....Blue Healer.

Mike H
09-13-2018, 08:15 AM
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Katherine
09-13-2018, 08:28 AM
does this mean i won't need to feed the outside cats???
I could use the same logic on you. lol

David G
09-13-2018, 08:51 AM
I could use the same logic on you. lol

You've been FEEDING him?

See... that's the problem. They never go away once you start feeding them <G>

AndyG
09-13-2018, 09:16 AM
You can train cats, just like dogs.

Yup. Django's great at 'high-five' and 'lie down'. He's never got 'fist-bump', though. I'll be teaching that to Josey the kitten.

Andy

amish rob
09-13-2018, 09:21 AM
Yup. Django's great at 'high-five' and 'lie down'. He's never got 'fist-bump', though. I'll be teaching that to Josey the kitten.

Andy

Why does Scotland have to be so far away from here?

Peace,
Robert

Phil Y
09-13-2018, 04:58 PM
this is not an option with my current wife



I can see where you are going with that.


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PeterSibley
09-13-2018, 05:37 PM
The best mouser we ever had here was my daughter's pet lab rat. One day I passed by the rat's cage and noticed a mouse skull and piece of a tail. a mouse had tried to steal the rat's food and had become a midnight snack.
I put 2 and 2 together and as the house was being over run with mice that year, I put the rat, named "Possum" into the cupboards. The next hour was marked with scurrying sounds, then mousy shrieks. At the end of an hour a fat and satisfied "Possum" emerged to be renamed "Tiger". No mice were seen from that point on.