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Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 11:27 AM
Yet there are still so much stabbing attacks.

The law on knives in the UK

Carrying a knife with a folding blade measuring three inches or longer in public without good reason is prohibited by UK law.

It is illegal to sell knives to under-18s unless it has a folding blade three inches or less.

In Scotland 16 to 18-year-olds are permitted to buy cutlery and kitchen knives.

Lock knives, classified as a blade that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button, are illegal to carry in public without good reason.

Butterfly, flick, gravity, stealth and zombie knives are all illegal to sell, hire, lend or bring into the country.

Disguised knives, classified as a blade or sharp point hidden inside what looks like everyday objects such as a buckle, phone, brush or lipstick, are prohibited from being sold in the UK.

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 11:34 AM
Yawn

Canoez
09-11-2018, 11:34 AM
Yet there are still so much stabbing attacks.



Watched a tourist get arrested at the London Eye for having a 4" folding knife.

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 11:37 AM
Violent criminals always find a way.
Do you actually have a point Rummy?

Canoez
09-11-2018, 11:40 AM
Violent criminals always find a way.
Do you actually have a point Rummy?

You're kidding, right?

Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 11:41 AM
Violent criminals always find a way.
Do you actually have a point Rummy?
With the implementation of gun ban the stabbings have risen.

Would be interesting to see if there was any actual correlation in the reduction in gun murder numbers being roughy equivalent to the rise in the number of knife murders?

Or is one or other significantly higher.

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 11:48 AM
With the implementation of gun ban the stabbings have risen.

Would be interesting to see if there was any actual correlation in the reduction in gun murder numbers being roughy equivalent to the rise in the number of knife murders?

Or is one or other significantly higher.

Rummy U R Silly

The "ban on guns" was enacted n 1996.

Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 11:56 AM
Rummy U R Silly

The "ban on guns" was enacted n 1996.
So there should be a great deal of information regarding actual figures and trends.

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 11:58 AM
So there should be a great deal of information regarding actual figures and trends.
Go find if then.

come back and present your findings in graphical form
naybe even throw in a regression analysis if you’re up to it
really looking forward to seeing what you learn:)

TomF
09-11-2018, 12:01 PM
The UK's overwhelmingly urban population doesn't seem to have a daily requirement to stalk deer or hunt waterfowl to eat, or to fend off polar bears. OTOH, even the vegans need to chop onions, celery, and carrots. The omnivorous few even nosh on roast beast, and aren't content to only eat it minced.

So there are a whole lot of knives in existence, which are needed for humdrum daily peaceful life. And coincidentally, when handguns are very scarce, the violently inclined tend to go to a next best choice.

Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 12:02 PM
Go find if then. Could you please clarify what you are trying to say.


Don't bother.
Yawn

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 12:16 PM
Don't bother.actually, i'd probably be really interested in what you could find on your own and present in your own words for a change

Canoeyawl
09-11-2018, 12:23 PM
Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.

Canoez
09-11-2018, 12:27 PM
actually, i'd probably be really interested in what you could find on your own and present in your own words for a change


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_VnbtRFx5Y

CWSmith
09-11-2018, 12:27 PM
This is a perfect example of where half a statement implies everything and proves nothing.

Gun violence and the murder rate went down in Australia when they got rid of the guns.

I suspect stabbings are down in Britain as a result of knife laws, but it won't stop angry wives from using the kitchen knife when they find their husbands in bed with the neighbor.

Take what you can get and expect less than everything. Anything else is nonsense.

lupussonic
09-11-2018, 12:27 PM
I think it's possible to kill someone with a 10mm blade if you knew what you were doing.

Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 12:30 PM
Go find if then.

come back and present your findings in graphical form
naybe even throw in a regression analysis if you’re up to it
really looking forward to seeing what you learn:)

Here is one site
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089
:D DIY if you wish more.:d

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 12:34 PM
I should apologise for misleading Rummy. 1996 really tightened up controls, but gun ownership has been regulated for much longer

Firearms Act 1920The Firearms Act 1920 was partly spurred by fears of a possible surge in crime from the large number of firearms available following World War I and also fears of working-class unrest in this period. "An Act to amend the law relating to firearms and other weapons and ammunition", its main stated aim was to enable the government to control the overseas arms trade and so fulfill its commitment to the 1919 Paris Arms Convention.[79] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-79) The ongoing Anglo-Irish War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence) may also have been a factor, as Britain and Ireland were at that time still in union with each other at the time, and the Act also applied to Ireland. It required anyone wanting to purchase or possess a firearm or ammunition to obtain a firearm certificate. The certificate, which lasted for three years, specified not only the firearm but also the amount of ammunition the holder could buy or possess. Local chief constables decided who could obtain a certificate and had the power to exclude anyone of "intemperate habits" or "unsound mind", or anyone considered "...for any reason unfitted to be trusted with firearms". Applicants for certificates also had to convince the police that they had a good reason for needing a certificate. The law did not affect smooth-bore guns, which were available for purchase without any form of paperwork. The penalty for violating the Act was a fine of up to £50 or "imprisonment with or without hard labour for a term not exceeding three months", or both.[80] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-malcolm148149-80)
The right of individuals to bear arms had previously been, in the words of the 1689 Bill of Rights, "as allowed by law". The 1920 Act made this right conditional upon the Home Secretary and the police. A series of classified Home Office directives defined for the benefit of chief constables what constituted good reason to grant a certificate. They originally included self-defence.[80] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-malcolm148149-80)
As the 1920 Act did not prevent criminals from obtaining firearms illegally, in 1933 the Firearms and Imitation Firearms (Criminal Use) Bill was submitted to Parliament. It increased the punishment for the use of a gun in the commission of a crime and made it an offence punishable by up to 14 years' imprisonment for anyone to "attempt to make use" of any firearm or imitation firearm to resist arrest. Possession of a real or imitation firearm was also made an offence unless the possessor could show he had it for "a lawful object".[81] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-81)
Firearms Act 1937The Firearms Act 1937 incorporated various modifications to the 1920 Act based on the recommendations of a 1934 committee chaired by Sir Archibald Bodkin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Bodkin). The resulting legislation raised the minimum age for buying a firearm or airgun from 14 to 17, extended controls to shotguns and other smooth-bore weapons with barrels shorter than 20 in (510 mm) (later raised by the Firearms Act 1968 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_Act_1968) to 24 in (610 mm), transferred certificates for machine guns to military oversight, regulated gun dealers, and granted chief constables the power to add conditions to individual Firearms Certificates.[82] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-82)
The same year, the Home Secretary ruled that self-defence was no longer a suitable reason for applying for a firearm certificate and directed police to refuse such applications on the grounds that "firearms cannot be regarded as a suitable means of protection and may be a source of danger".[83] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-83)

Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 12:39 PM
I should apologise for misleading Rummy. 1996 really tightened up controls, but gun ownership has been regulated for much longer
No problem mon, all well intended contributions are welcome.

bluedog225
09-11-2018, 12:40 PM
Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.


Yep. We changed the law. Sort of out of left field but got signed into law. Not aware of any incidents. Iím leaning towards a naval cutlass as a good all-rounder.

HB 1935 (https://legiscan.com/TX/text/HB1935/2017) eliminates Bowie knives, daggers, dirks, stilletos, poniards, swords, and spears from the Texas statute 46.02 Unlawful Carrying Weapons and the definition of an illegal knife. They may be carried throughout the state (except for prohibited locations).

bluedog225
09-11-2018, 12:44 PM
From a time when the Brits had different political leanings.

http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/images/s263.jpg

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 12:45 PM
I think it's possible to kill someone with a 10mm blade if you knew what you were doing.sharpened pencil

Dan McCosh
09-11-2018, 12:48 PM
sharpened pencil Took a class in self-defense once, taught by a special forces guy. The list included hands, pencils, guns, knives, and a rolled-up magazine.

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 12:49 PM
similar politics, differing sensibilities
From a time when the Brits had different political leanings.

http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/images/s263.jpg

amish rob
09-11-2018, 12:51 PM
Of our Little Nicholas had been assaulted by a would be robber with a knife, heíd be alive today.

He was shot in the back of the head while running away.

Even a track star canít outrun a bullet...

Peace,
Robert

Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 12:57 PM
Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.

The length of the blasť seems paramount.

Can a Sikh carry knife in UK?


England and Wales. As a bladed article, possession of a kirpan without valid reason in a public place would be illegal under section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988. However, there is a specific defence for a person to prove that he carries it for "religious reasons".




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Kirpan.jpg/300px-Kirpan.jpg

While the Scots can sport a 'sgian-dubh' when worn as part of the national dress of Scotland.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/414vaZ3JfJL._SX425_.jpg

The sgian-dubh is legal in Scotland, England and Wales.


In Scotland under the Criminal Law (Consolidation) (Scotland) Act 1995 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Law_(Consolidation)_(Scotland)_Act_1995)S ec. 49, Sub-sec. 5(c); in England and Wales, under the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_Act_1988) (section 139) and the Offensive Weapons Act 1996 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knife_legislation#Offensive_Weapons_Act_1996) (section 4).
However, the wearing of the sgian-dubh is sometimes banned in areas with 'zero tolerance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_tolerance)' weapons policies or heightened security concerns.

Keith Wilson
09-11-2018, 01:12 PM
The UK homicide rate is about 1/4 that of the US.

It may be stating the grotesquely obvious, but it's far easier to kill people with a gun than a knife. There are excellent reasons that armies don't carry only knives.

paulf
09-11-2018, 01:32 PM
The UK homicide rate is about 1/4 that of the US.

It may be stating the grotesquely obvious, but it's far easier to kill people with a gun than a knife. There are excellent reasons that armies don't carry only knives.

Their population is 1/5th of the US, wouldn't that mean their murder rate is , on a percentage basis , is similar to the US?

Somehow , with their strict laws regarding weapons, that sounds way high.

downthecreek
09-11-2018, 01:33 PM
actually, i'd probably be really interested in what you could find on your own and present in your own words for a change

That'll be the day! (Not waiting with bated breath, though)

Gerarddm
09-11-2018, 01:35 PM
O fer crissakes, just stop it Rummy.

Regressives will twist themselves into a pretzel to make imaginary points. Migod.

Keith Wilson
09-11-2018, 01:41 PM
Their population is 1/5th of the US, wouldn't that mean their murder rate is , on a percentage basis , is similar to the US?.No. The UK murder rate per capita is about 1/4 that of the US.

wizbang 13
09-11-2018, 01:41 PM
Coupl o dozen Saudis destroyed our freedom and economy with box cutters.

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 01:42 PM
Their population is 1/5th of the US, wouldn't that mean their murder rate is , on a percentage basis , is similar to the US?

Somehow , with their strict laws regarding weapons, that sounds way high.

Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants.



United Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom)
1.20





United States of America (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)

5.35






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

S.V. Airlie
09-11-2018, 01:42 PM
Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.Don't forget the Scots, I've got a good sized bade and the sheath has a set containing a dinner untensiIs.

paulf
09-11-2018, 01:49 PM
Rates are calculated per 100,000 inhabitants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

That makes more sense to me.

downthecreek
09-11-2018, 01:55 PM
Don't forget the Scots, I've got a good sized bade and the sheath has a set containing a dinner untensiIs.

I have a full blown sword hanging up in my conservatory. At the time my husband was an officer in the Royal Navy, the sword was part of his dress uniform. And it's a proper, rather elegantly decorated sword. As far as I know, he didn't kill anyone with it and so far nobody has come to drag me away to jail for having it in my possession. Maybe they think an old gal like me is pretty harmless. Or perhaps it's just a matter of time......

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 02:00 PM
I have a full blown sword hanging up in my conservatory. At the time my husband was an officer in the Royal Navy, the sword was part of his dress uniform. And it's a proper, rather elegantly decorated sword. As far as I know, he didn't kill anyone with it and so far nobody has come to drag me away to jail for having it in my possession. Maybe they think an old gal like me is pretty harmless. Or perhaps it's just a matter of time......

Just don't chase the next unsolicited visitor down the high street screaming and waving hubby's sword and you should be fine.

downthecreek
09-11-2018, 02:09 PM
Just don't chase the next unsolicited visitor down the high street screaming and waving hubby's sword and you should be fine.

Sometimes I am tempted - but discretion is the better part of valour.....It certainly has more style than the rounders bat my father kept by the bed in case of unwelcome nocturnal visitors.

Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 02:11 PM
Just don't chase the next unsolicited visitor down the high street screaming and waving hubby's sword and you should be fine.

I have protection.

Breakaway
09-11-2018, 02:18 PM
Gun v Knife


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGzeyO3pGzw

Kevin

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 02:26 PM
I have protection.

You don a pair of fake boobs?

Rum_Pirate
09-11-2018, 02:53 PM
You don a pair of fake boobs? Even with fake boobs I wouldn't be that good looking! LOL

Bobby of Tulsa
09-11-2018, 02:55 PM
Can you still carry a Bowie knife strapped to your waist?
Maybe a Broadsword, or a Cutlass? You couldn't be a proper British sailor without a cutlass...

How many stabbings with a sword each year? They must have records for that sort of thing.SB 1159 removes dagger, bowie knife, dirk knife and sword cane from the items prohibited from carry in Oklahoma, and finishes the job Knife Rights began last year with the repeal of the ban on carrying switchblade (automatic) knives and with the passage of Knife Law Preemption inOklahoma.Jan 29, 2016

Bobby of Tulsa
09-11-2018, 02:56 PM
Never bring a knife to a gun fight, unless you are damn good.

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 02:59 PM
SB 1159 removes dagger, bowie knife, dirk knife and sword cane from the items prohibited from carry in Oklahoma, and finishes the job Knife Rights began last year with the repeal of the ban on carrying switchblade (automatic) knives and with the passage of Knife Law Preemption inOklahoma.Jan 29, 2016

Why is the US of A so obsessed with owning and carrying lethal weapons?

Anyone?

Bobby of Tulsa
09-11-2018, 03:07 PM
Why is the US of A so obsessed with owning and carrying lethal weapons?

Anyone?I have no idea. Seen all the lethal stuff I ever want to see.:(

LeeG
09-11-2018, 03:33 PM
Why is the US of A so obsessed with owning and carrying lethal weapons?

Anyone?

fear

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 03:35 PM
fear

You can get therapy for that.

Seriously though, why are you all cacking it?

LeeG
09-11-2018, 03:41 PM
You can get therapy for that.

Seriously though, why are you all cacking it?

not me, I can’t speak for them all. I buy pasta and sauce when I’m afraid.

heimlaga
09-11-2018, 03:43 PM
You seem to be afraid of each others..... creating outsider who are more or less outlawed and then being afraid of them.... not a sound base for building society!
You seem to be busy arming for an all out war on one another all while you let Putin catch your entire nation with your trousers down not only once but twice.......

Please please PLEASE pull yourself toghether and take care of less fortunate fellow Americans so we all can stand united against Putin instead!

Keith Wilson
09-11-2018, 03:43 PM
Why is the US of A so obsessed with owning and carrying lethal weapons?Interesting question. Myself, I've never fired a gun in my life; never even held one, in fact. I was too young (barely) for the Vietnam war draft, I'm not interested in hunting, and I've never felt the slightest need to have one for 'protection'.

I have a tentative hypothesis; it's only a part of the USA. Most of the enthusiasm for guns comes from the 'red' parts of the country. This means rural areas, and geographically the mountain west and the ex-Confederacy. Rural areas and the west makes some sense; more isolated and dispersed population, a hunting tradition, much closer to frontier times. For quite a long time the south had a large subject population that had to be kept in check by force - and if you think that ended in 1865, think again. History sometimes gives a long-lasting hangover.

bluedog225
09-11-2018, 03:48 PM
Why is everyone obsessed with rifles?

Knives kill more people than rifles.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 03:50 PM
Interesting question. Myself, I've never fired a gun in my life; never even held one, in fact. I was too young (barely) for the Vietnam war draft, I'm not interested in hunting, and I've never felt the slightest need to have one for 'protection'.

I have a tentative hypothesis; it's only a part of the USA. Most of the enthusiasm for guns comes from the 'red' parts of the country. This means rural areas, and geographically the mountain west and the ex-Confederacy. Rural areas and the west makes some sense; more isolated and dispersed population, a hunting tradition, much closer to frontier times. For quite a long time the south had a large subject population that had to be kept in check by force - and if you think that ended in 1865, think again. History sometimes gives a long-lasting hangover.

There should be no problem with long guns for hunting. But then there is the penis extension carried when shopping in a town Walmart, and the campaign BoT quoted to allow carrying flick knives and sword sticks.
So your comment, although valid in areas where folk hunt for the pot does not address the rest of the nations obsession with weapons designed to kill people.

bluedog225
09-11-2018, 03:56 PM
There should be no problem with long guns for hunting. But then there is the penis extension carried when shopping in a town Walmart, and the campaign BoT quoted to allow carrying flick knives and sword sticks.
So your comment, although valid in areas where folk hunt for the pot does not address the rest of the nations obsession with weapons designed to kill people.


“You really do post crap at times, please remember to engage brain before operating typing finger.”

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 04:00 PM
Interesting question. Myself, I've never fired a gun in my life; never even held one, in fact. I was too young (barely) for the Vietnam war draft, I'm not interested in hunting, and I've never felt the slightest need to have one for 'protection'.

I have a tentative hypothesis; it's only a part of the USA. Most of the enthusiasm for guns comes from the 'red' parts of the country. This means rural areas, and geographically the mountain west and the ex-Confederacy. Rural areas and the west makes some sense; more isolated and dispersed population, a hunting tradition, much closer to frontier times. For quite a long time the south had a large subject population that had to be kept in check by force - and if you think that ended in 1865, think again. History sometimes gives a long-lasting hangover.

what is the central theme of the myth of all that is america? the pioneer and the cowboy
further to that myth is that the american cowboy is similar to the knights of king arthur's round table - taming an untamed land, taming beasts, taming indians - the cowboy always has a gun, the cowboy in american mythology has been elevated to the level of mythical knight in shining armor, the sidearm and rifle of the cowboy are as the shield and sword of the knight

sadly, the cowboy's horse has become a pickup, but that's another story. . .

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 04:04 PM
^ don't believe that? read this: "The Significance of the Frontier in American History" is an essay by the American historian Frederick Jackson Turner, written in 1894.

That essay became the first chapter, not preface, but chapter of The Frontier in American History, published in 1921.

you can read that essay here if you'd like: link (https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/historical-archives/the-significance-of-the-frontier-in-american-history)

wonder what our gun loving, city folk looking down upon member from arkansas would say about it, it being written by a new york educated dandy, founding historian at the university of chicago when he wrote it :D

Keith Wilson
09-11-2018, 04:13 PM
Oh, I quite agree. But I'd say an equally important factor was the fear of slave rebellions before 1865, particularly after the Haitian revolution in the 1790s scared the bejesus out of white southerners, and the desire to keep the black population subjugated after the end of Reconstruction.

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 04:22 PM
i should note, the comparison of the cowboy to the knight is the glamorized literary cowboy to the glamorized literary knight; not the historical cowboy to the historical knight - its also specifically to the glamorized english knight*

probably because most americans didn't and don't speak french or german or dutch :D

Peerie Maa
09-11-2018, 04:25 PM
what is the central theme of the myth of all that is america? the pioneer and the cowboy
further to that myth is that the american cowboy is similar to the knights of king arthur's round table - taming an untamed land, taming beasts, taming indians - the cowboy always has a gun, the cowboy in american mythology has been elevated to the level of mythical knight in shining armor, the sidearm and rifle of the cowboy are as the shield and sword of the knight

sadly, the cowboy's horse has become a pickup, but that's another story. . .


^ don't believe that? read this: "The Significance of the Frontier in American History" is an essay by the American historian Frederick Jackson Turner, written in 1894.

That essay became the first chapter, not preface, but chapter of The Frontier in American History, published in 1921.

you can read that essay here if you'd like: link (https://www.historians.org/about-aha-and-membership/aha-history-and-archives/historical-archives/the-significance-of-the-frontier-in-american-history)

wonder what our gun loving, city folk looking down upon member from arkansas would say about it, it being written by a new york educated dandy, founding historian at the university of chicago when he wrote it :D


Oh, I quite agree. But I'd say an equally important factor was the fear of slave rebellions before 1865, particularly after the Haitian revolution in the 1790s scared the bejesus out of white southerners, and the desire to keep the black population subjugated after the end of Reconstruction.

Sounds as though as a nation you all need to grow up. Try to drag yourselves into the 20th century at least.

Breakaway
09-11-2018, 04:27 PM
Remember: A knight in shining armor has never had his metal tested.

Kevin

Hugh Conway
09-11-2018, 04:29 PM
Oh, I quite agree. But I'd say an equally important factor was the fear of slave rebellions before 1865, particularly after the Haitian revolution in the 1790s scared the bejesus out of white southerners, and the desire to keep the black population subjugated after the end of Reconstruction.

plenty of the cowboy myth and legend takes place in a world where the cowboy hero (the white man) is on top of the chinese, mexicans and blacks because he knows how to use a gun. He may, or may not, use violence to enforce this racial order but it's clear our hero is tops because of his skill with firearms. I'm thinking of some of the Max Brand novels, I'm sure there are others.

as for why the fascination with firearms? They are cheap, they require little psychical exertion, you need not have much skill to pull the trigger (but shooting well is a skill that can be learned), and you can babble endlessly about them in a pseudo-scientific BS way that pleases people.

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 04:34 PM
Sounds as though as a nation you all need to grow up. Try to drag yourselves into the 20th century at least.

the problem therein is that half the nation is apathetic to progress
of the remaining half, half of them hold political views antithetical to progress
so that leaves 25%. . .

Phil Y
09-11-2018, 05:31 PM
You can get therapy for that.

Seriously though, why are you all cacking it?



If I lived amongst that many idiots with guns I guess I'd be afraid too.


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Canoeyawl
09-11-2018, 05:34 PM
I have protection.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/ualr.sidearmsports.com/images/2015/8/21/Junior_Trojans_Club_JPEG.jpg

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 05:42 PM
If I lived amongst that many idiots with guns I guess I'd be afraid too.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalki don't live in fear
i gotta gun :D

Canoeyawl
09-11-2018, 05:50 PM
The fear would be dealing with the repercussions of using said gun...

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 05:52 PM
i was being facetious, farcical even

Chris249
09-11-2018, 05:59 PM
Here is one site
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089
:D DIY if you wish more.:d

And what does your source show? It shows about 240 knife murders per annum in the UK, compared to 1604 in the USA. So on a per capita rate, the UK has a 75% lower rate of knife murders. However, on a per capita rate the USA has about 25 times as many gun murders as the UK* and therefore a much, much higher murder rate overall.

So when both populations have access to the same weapon, there's a moderate difference in murder rates. But once you allow one population easy access to guns, the murder rate skyrockets. Arguably, therefore, the main difference between the countries isn't so much the rate at which they'd like to kill each other, but the rate at which they get easy access to an efficient way to do it. So your stat can be seen as good evidence that gun control works very well to reduce murder rates.


* Sources vary widely, so I chose a figure that shows the low end of US gun homicide estimates.

leikec
09-11-2018, 06:03 PM
Gun v Knife


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGzeyO3pGzw

Kevin

Nope, not even close.

In real life the gun is successful about two times out of a hundred, IMO.

I've had encounters with a knife-wielding person more than once, and it is completely terrifying.

Jeff C

amish rob
09-11-2018, 06:28 PM
Anybody know more than three people shot to death with pistols this summer, or am I the winner with that number?

Peace,
Robert

Ron Williamson
09-11-2018, 07:21 PM
I'm very sorry,Robert.
R

amish rob
09-11-2018, 07:27 PM
I'm very sorry,Robert.
R

Itís just nice to remember these are actually people, not just points to argue over.

But, thank you kindly. Only one was a murder, so there is that. All handguns, too, to be fair.

Not at all the lifetime, either. I, and several of my friends, have been stabbed and survived. One has died from a stab wound. I only have one friend who survived being shot.

Peace,
Robert

Breakaway
09-11-2018, 07:45 PM
Nope, not even close.

In real life the gun is successful about two times out of a hundred, IMO.

I've had encounters with a knife-wielding person more than once, and it is completely terrifying.

Jeff C



I get that. First of all, only a crazed/ drugged person is coming at you from a distance screaming and with the knife out and raised. That gives the victim so much time to react. Most would walk right next to you before pulling it; maybe ask you for a light or the time...

I just wanted to show that a knife can be durn deadly, and, even against a gun, the matter is not automatically settled. That the choice of weapon can be less deadly factor than the willingness to use the weapon.

Sorry you had to endure those attacks.


Kevin


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Ian McColgin
09-11-2018, 07:48 PM
Yeah, there's that whole 21' or 30' stuff.

Chris249
09-11-2018, 07:54 PM
I just wanted to show that a knife can be durn deadly, and, even against a gun, the matter is not automatically settled.

So guns don't actually work all that well for self defence after all?

If they are poor when used for self defence, but proven to be effective when used for attack, wouldn't it seem to follow that they increase the risk of harm?

Paul Pless
09-11-2018, 08:00 PM
there's no 'seems' about it chris

a gun in the home increases the chance of being killed or injured by a larger factor than a gun will be successfully used to defend one's self or family

Breakaway
09-11-2018, 08:09 PM
So guns don't actually work all that well for self defence after all?

I did not state that, Chris. You might want to re-read my post. In that post, I described two very specific scenarios( more specific and simplistic than most real-life scenarios, but presented for example) and pointed out how in one version--as the video shows--a gun can be effective for defense, but in a different scenario--as a described-- it might not be effective.

But, my point wasn't to make a case either for, or against guns as a defense against attack. My point was to show that those seeking to do harm will probably find a way regardless of what is at hand and that the choice of weapon is less important to the crime being committed than the wilingnes of the person to commit the crime in the first place.

Kevin

downthecreek
09-12-2018, 01:50 AM
If I lived amongst that many idiots with guns I guess I'd be afraid too.


https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/09/11/thats-entertainment-amusing-ourselves-to-death-in-the-age-of-trump/

Not only must Americans be entertained, but their entertainments must be suffused with violence, real or imagined. Americans demand their technicolor explosions and car crashes, their arsenal-depleting shoot outs, for we love our realism and there is nothing so real to Americans as violence, particularly when it is fake and nothing so fake as real violence (just ask Alex Jones) Ė the more graphicly murderous the better.

This rings a lot of bells with me. America seems to be a very violent society - in its culture, mythology, history, penchant for warfare, reification of the military and even language. One thing that always strikes me - Machismo in most countries I visit is based on sex. American machismo is based on violence. And in the inexhaustible diet of violence in American films etc. And it's caught in a vicious circle of fear because there is quite a lot of reason to be fearful - especially if you are black.

In the light of American history, the fact that many people still live in remote and isolated communities, the widespread passion for hunting etc.(the French have that too) this is to some extent understandable. But it's running wild. You just have to see the photos of people shopping in the supermarket with some kind of assault rifle over there shoulders..... It's described in the article above as "a metastasizing cancer" Witness the violent hysteria of the likes of the late, unlamented "Tex". Can it ever be cured?

Peerie Maa
09-12-2018, 01:55 AM
I did not state that, Chris. You might want to re-read my post. In that post, I described two very specific scenarios( more specific and simplistic than most real-life scenarios, but presented for example) and pointed out how in one version--as the video shows--a gun can be effective for defense, but in a different scenario--as a described-- it might not be effective.

But, my point wasn't to make a case either for, or against guns as a defense against attack. My point was to show that those seeking to do harm will probably find a way regardless of what is at hand and that the choice of weapon is less important to the crime being committed than the wilingnes of the person to commit the crime in the first place.

Kevin

Just so.

and there is this

The same year{1938}, the Home Secretary ruled that self-defence was no longer a suitable reason for applying for a firearm certificate and directed police to refuse such applications on the grounds that "firearms cannot be regarded as a suitable means of protection and may be a source of danger".[83] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_policy_in_the_United_Kingdom#cite_note-83)

Phil Y
09-12-2018, 04:28 AM
Anybody know more than three people shot to death with pistols this summer, or am I the winner with that number?

Peace,
Robert
Yeah, you're the winner, in a competition no one wants to win. I hope that's extraordinary in your country, it's pretty well unthinkable here.