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Osborne Russel
12-19-2005, 04:24 PM
The President says terrorists are hijcking Islam to fulfill their real i.e. un-Islamic aims.


I see a global terrorist movement that exploits Islam in the service of radical political aims — a vision in which books are burned, and women are oppressed, and all dissent is crushed. Terrorist operatives conduct their campaign of murder with a set of declared and specific goals — to demoralize free nations to drive us out of the Middle East to spread an empire of fear across that region and to wage a perpetual war against America and our friends. These terrorists view the world as a giant battlefield and they seek to attack us wherever they can. This has attracted al-Qaida to Iraq, where they are attempting to frighten and intimidate America into a policy of retreat. I can't figure out how many interest groups he's referring to here:

1. People who hate freedom, oppress women, burn books, hate the U.S., etc. not because they are muslim fundamentalists, but because they are terrorists.

2. People who hate freedom, oppress women, hate the U.S., etc. because they are muslim fundamentalists, and have been this way for decades, but they are being exploited by terrorists who want exactly the same things but aren't muslim fundamentalists, they're only pretending to be, by holding precisely the same views and advocating precisely the same strategies.

3. Al Qaeda, which was attracted by "this" (which?) to Iraq.

Do we have to defeat all of these enemies? Let me guess, the fundamentalists are off the hook in view of their close religious affiliations to us, "people of the book" and all. The terrorists will have to go, of course, because they aren't fundamentalists, even if they say they are, and we can tell -- but how? Anyway, Al Qaeda has to go because we know they are terrorists because they say, but not fundamentalists, even if they say so.

How'm I doing? I'm trying to grasp the plan for victory.

Meerkat
12-19-2005, 04:26 PM
Stuffing terrorists is really tasteless! :D

Meerkat
12-19-2005, 04:28 PM
"I see a global terrorist movement that exploits Islam in the service of radical political aims — a vision in which books are burned, and women are oppressed, and all dissent is crushed."

This guy went to Yale? This sounds more reactionary than radical!

Osborne Russel
12-19-2005, 04:29 PM
I got it! The ones who advocate terrorism and really are muslims are not terrorists; the ones who advocate terrrorism but aren't really muslims are terrorists!

How do you tell if someone is really a muslim? Victory is near.

Meerkat
12-19-2005, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Osborne Russel:

How do you tell if someone is really a muslim? Victory is near.I think they practice circumcision: you check and I'll watch the door! Make sure they don't speak Hebrew! :D

[ 12-19-2005, 07:30 PM: Message edited by: Meerkat ]

Osborne Russel
12-19-2005, 06:32 PM
Grab yer board and go waterboardin' with me . . .

We don't care if you're a terrorist! Tell us right now, are you or are you not a real Musliim? Talk or drown!

Wild Wassa
12-19-2005, 06:57 PM
"Ask yourself which political leadership - your own or that of your enemy - is able to reject flatterers and draw close to the wise." A quote from Du Mu from 'The Art of War' ... well that rules Bush out and it also says, "know the enemy," ... how can Bush win?

Armies win wars but it is the lack of wise political leadership that loses them ... there is no hope then.

Warren.

[ 12-19-2005, 07:59 PM: Message edited by: Wild Wassa ]