If today's so called "conservatives" had one iota of understanding of true conservative philosophy, this would be readily apparent to them. The fact that it is not, illustrates why today's republicans are not conservative.
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Losing track of immigrant children
One of my long term arguments in favor of comprehensive immigration reform is that a government cannot stop a major market force without draconian actions. The simply cannot round up and deport 12 million or so people without becoming a police state to do so. If there are no legal avenues for immigration across a border where lots of people desire to go, you simply cannot seal the border without draconian actions. Confirmation of the latter, unfortunately, is presented to us once again:
If today's so called "conservatives" had one iota of understanding of true conservative philosophy, this would be readily apparent to them. The fact that it is not, illustrates why today's republicans are not conservative.Tags: None -
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Thank you so much for that, peb.
I'm sure the usual suspects will be along to say that the children deserve to be . . . I'm sure they'll think of a perfectly heinous description.Rattling the teacups. -
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CBP and ICE and their predecessor agencies have always been more than a bit cowboy because they have lower standards than most state and local and than any other federal police agencies. So they have always, no matter what administration, been loci for abuse of authority. Under Trump's combination of wild rhetoric, dog whistle, and inability to find competent top appointments, it's all just more blatant.Comment
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onald J. Trump
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Put pressure on the Democrats to end the horrible law that separates children from there parents once they cross the Border into the U.S. Catch and Release, Lottery and Chain must also go with it and we MUST continue building the WALL! DEMOCRATS ARE PROTECTING MS-13 THUGS
ACLU
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@ACLU
No law requires this — separating parents and children is your administration’s choice.
Hundreds of kids as young as 18 months are in danger of suffering lifelong trauma.
We won’t let you shift the blame or use families as bargaining chips for your wall.
Ted Lieu
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Dear @FLOTUS: Separating toddlers from parents is definitely not a #BeBest policy. Are you going to do anything about it?
No one can take your #BeBest children's agenda seriously when your husband's policy rips kids from their parents and loses track of the children.Comment
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How many of those 1,475 kids are now slaves/prostitutes?
Can DFT be charged as an accessory to child pornography/prostitution?
It would suit him.
The Evangelical Christians would ignore it.Rattling the teacups.Comment
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The problem is, and always has been, culture."Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."
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One of my long term arguments in favor of comprehensive immigration reform is that a government cannot stop a major market force without draconian actions. The simply cannot round up and deport 12 million or so people without becoming a police state to do so. If there are no legal avenues for immigration across a border where lots of people desire to go, you simply cannot seal the border without draconian actions. Confirmation of the latter, unfortunately, is presented to us once again:
If today's so called "conservatives" had one iota of understanding of true conservative philosophy, this would be readily apparent to them. The fact that it is not, illustrates why today's republicans are not conservative.
Hear hear!One of the most enduring qualities of an old wooden boat is the smell it imparts to your clothing.Comment
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Update:
"The children are not lost, HHS Deputy Secretary Eric Hargan said in a statement. Their sponsors simply have not responded to follow-up calls from the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), the HHS department that oversees the care of unaccompanied alien or minor children.
The agency was under no obligation to make the 30-day follow-up calls to ensure that the children and their sponsors needed no additional services, he said. Now, this voluntary action is being used to confuse and spread misinformation, he said.
"This is a classic example of the adage 'No good deed goes unpunished,'" he said, offering a possible explanation."
No good deed goes unpunished? More like "we have a f&*$(d-up system, we better call and see how bad it is. Oh s&*t, its really bad".Comment
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Really?
“If you cross the border unlawfully … then we will prosecute you,” I agree.
“If you smuggle an illegal alien across the border, then we’ll prosecute you. … If you’re smuggling a child, then we’re going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you, probably, as required by law. If you don’t want your child separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally. It’s not our fault that somebody does that.” What is wrong with that?
Your logic is duly noted.Comment
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"The children are not lost, HHS Deputy Secretary Eric Hargan said in a statement. Their sponsors simply have not responded to follow-up calls from the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), the HHS department that oversees the care of unaccompanied alien or minor children.
The agency was under no obligation to make the 30-day follow-up calls to ensure that the children and their sponsors needed no additional services, he said. Now, this voluntary action is being used to confuse and spread misinformation, he said.
"This is a classic example of the adage 'No good deed goes unpunished,'" he said, offering a possible explanation."
No good deed goes unpunished? More like "we have a f&*$(d-up system, we better call and see how bad it is. Oh s&*t, its really bad".
But a lot of people want to place blame.Life is complex.Comment
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Borders are silly, we live on the only planet with life among billions planets with no discernible life. Humans can't be illegal. We are a migratory nomadic species. Imagine if 200,000 years ago there were border guards and walls in central Africa ? There wouldn't be any humans.
These silly turf battles must look silly when seen from afar. I wonder if we ever have the ability to colonize other planets will we then discriminate humans from Earth ? The reason why we even have this photo of earth is because of our innate desire to MOVE outside our borders.
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There are swirling similar stories.
The 1400 or so "missing" children were part of the wave of 6000 or so unaccompanied children that flooded the border during the Obama administration. They were put into foster care and 1400 are unaccounted for. Social workers close to the situation believe that most are with families unwilling to talk to the current administration, but it's a disturbing situation.
More children are being deliberately seperated from their parents under the new Sessions-Trump policies of border control. Sessions lied to Congress when he claimed that only people attempting to bring children in illegally are seperated. The current law suits against the policy include cases where parents presented themselves for sanctuary at ports of entry, as the law requires them to do. Their children were removed. Some of these parents were turned back, some accepted into the US, and so far none know where their children are. There is no grand number for this set, only the individual law suits with individual clients being brought forward by civil rights attorneys.Comment
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There are swirling similar stories.
The 1400 or so "missing" children were part of the wave of 6000 or so unaccompanied children that flooded the border during the Obama administration. They were put into foster care and 1400 are unaccounted for. Social workers close to the situation believe that most are with families unwilling to talk to the current administration, but it's a disturbing situation.
It's effed up, but not in the way much of the news narrative claims.On the trailing edge of technology.
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The law does not work. That should be readily apparent to all. We continue to hire more and more border guards and expand the number of people trying to enforce the laws. Result?
What would it be necessary to become a 'police state' (please define) to do so?
1) Become a complete "show me your papers" country for anyone with brown skin
2) Have an army paid informants living and working in many industries
3) Provide "encouragement" to family and friends to turn in known undocumented people, where people would not know who to trust
4) Have stiff penalties for aiding and abetting any undocumented person
5) Have literally train loads of people being loaded up and shipped south
6) Extensive camps to temporarily house people while they are waiting for transport
7) Have an immigration enforcement police force numbering in the hundres of thousands.
If you simply imagine what it would take, all of my scenarios are likely.
many are declined entry, what would there have to be 'draconian actions'?
“If you cross the border unlawfully … then we will prosecute you,” I agree.
The law you so love, defines this as a misdemeanor, with a fine not to exceed $500 (IIRC).Comment
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