Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • ishmael
    Banned
    • Jun 2000
    • 23518

    Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

    I'm pretty much a dunce when it comes to the topic, but I just read a piece saying that Hawking's final thoughts were something like: The universe is a hologram projected from some unknown source. Now I kinda expect when one of the most brilliant minds in recent years spins his last webs the line between science and mysticism to become blurred. But WTF do you suppose that means? Assuming it's even close to what he said.
  • Hallam
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 6886

    #2
    Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

    Read about the double slit experiment.....

    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

    If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

    "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
    Bruce Cockburn

    Comment

    • delecta
      Banned
      • Sep 2007
      • 3591

      #3
      Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

      Hawking's was nuts, most brilliant people are. He knew nothing more then any other brilliant nut case. The world and our existence is much simpler then we try to imagine.

      Comment

      • Tom Montgomery
        Lurking since 1997
        • Sep 1999
        • 35647

        #4
        Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

        Originally posted by ishmae
        ... I just read a piece saying that Hawking's final thoughts were something like: The universe is a hologram projected from some unknown source.
        Nope.

        Professor Stephen Hawking’s final theory on the origin of the universe, which he worked on in collaboration with Professor Thomas Hertog from KU Leuven, has been published today in the Journal of High Energy Physics.

        We are not down to a single, unique universe, but our findings imply a significant reduction of the multiverse, to a much smaller range of possible universes.


        The theory, which was submitted for publication before Hawking’s death earlier this year, is based on string theory and predicts the universe is finite and far simpler than many current theories about the big bang say.

        Professor Hertog, whose work has been supported by the European Research Council, first announced the new theory at a conference at the University of Cambridge in July of last year, organised on the occasion of Professor Hawking’s 75th birthday.

        Modern theories of the big bang predict that our local universe came into existence with a brief burst of inflation – in other words, a tiny fraction of a second after the big bang itself, the universe expanded at an exponential rate. It is widely believed, however, that once inflation starts, there are regions where it never stops. It is thought that quantum effects can keep inflation going forever in some regions of the universe so that globally, inflation is eternal. The observable part of our universe would then be just a hospitable pocket universe, a region in which inflation has ended and stars and galaxies formed.

        “The usual theory of eternal inflation predicts that globally our universe is like an infinite fractal, with a mosaic of different pocket universes, separated by an inflating ocean,” said Hawking in an interview last autumn. “The local laws of physics and chemistry can differ from one pocket universe to another, which together would form a multiverse. But I have never been a fan of the multiverse. If the scale of different universes in the multiverse is large or infinite the theory can’t be tested. ”

        In their new paper, Hawking and Hertog say this account of eternal inflation as a theory of the big bang is wrong. “The problem with the usual account of eternal inflation is that it assumes an existing background universe that evolves according to Einstein’s theory of general relativity and treats the quantum effects as small fluctuations around this,” said Hertog. “However, the dynamics of eternal inflation wipes out the separation between classical and quantum physics. As a consequence, Einstein’s theory breaks down in eternal inflation.”

        “We predict that our universe, on the largest scales, is reasonably smooth and globally finite. So it is not a fractal structure,” said Hawking.

        The theory of eternal inflation that Hawking and Hertog put forward is based on string theory: a branch of theoretical physics that attempts to reconcile gravity and general relativity with quantum physics, in part by describing the fundamental constituents of the universe as tiny vibrating strings. Their approach uses the string theory concept of holography, which postulates that the universe is a large and complex hologram: physical reality in certain 3D spaces can be mathematically reduced to 2D projections on a surface.

        Hawking and Hertog developed a variation of this concept of holography to project out the time dimension in eternal inflation. This enabled them to describe eternal inflation without having to rely on Einstein’ theory. In the new theory, eternal inflation is reduced to a timeless state defined on a spatial surface at the beginning of time.

        “When we trace the evolution of our universe backwards in time, at some point we arrive at the threshold of eternal inflation, where our familiar notion of time ceases to have any meaning,” said Hertog.

        Hawking’s earlier ‘no boundary theory’ predicted that if you go back in time to the beginning of the universe, the universe shrinks and closes off like a sphere, but this new theory represents a step away from the earlier work. “Now we’re saying that there is a boundary in our past,” said Hertog.

        Hertog and Hawking used their new theory to derive more reliable predictions about the global structure of the universe. They predicted the universe that emerges from eternal inflation on the past boundary is finite and far simpler than the infinite fractal structure predicted by the old theory of eternal inflation.

        Their results, if confirmed by further work, would have far-reaching implications for the multiverse paradigm. “We are not down to a single, unique universe, but our findings imply a significant reduction of the multiverse, to a much smaller range of possible universes,” said Hawking.
        This makes the theory more predictive and testable.

        Hertog now plans to study the implications of the new theory on smaller scales that are within reach of our space telescopes. He believes that primordial gravitational waves – ripples in spacetime – generated at the exit from eternal inflation constitute the most promising “smoking gun” to test the model. The expansion of our universe since the beginning means such gravitational waves would have very long wavelengths, outside the range of the current LIGO detectors. But they might be heard by the planned European space-based gravitational wave observatory, LISA, or seen in future experiments measuring the cosmic microwave background.

        https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/...t-the-big-bang
        "They have a lot of stupid people that vote in their primaries. They really do. I'm not really supposed to say that but it's an obvious fact. But when stupid people vote, you know who they nominate? Other stupid people." -- James Carville on the plethora of low-quality GQP candidates in the mid-term election.

        Comment

        • Hallam
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2012
          • 6886

          #5
          Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

          Originally posted by delecta
          Hawking's was nuts, most brilliant people are. He knew nothing more then any other brilliant nut case. The world and our existence is much simpler then we try to imagine.
          A trite response if ever there was one. Still, simplicity is a wonderful concept.
          Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. Leonardo da Vinci.

          If war is the answer........... it must be a profoundly stupid question.

          "Freighters on the nod on the surface of the bay, One of these days we're going to sail away"
          Bruce Cockburn

          Comment

          • Daniel Noyes
            Banned
            • Jan 2007
            • 8532

            #6
            Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

            Originally posted by ishmael
            I'm pretty much a dunce when it comes to the topic, but I just read a piece saying that Hawking's final thoughts were something like: The universe is a hologram projected from some unknown source. Now I kinda expect when one of the most brilliant minds in recent years spins his last webs the line between science and mysticism to become blurred. But WTF do you suppose that means? Assuming it's even close to what he said.
            "projected from some unknown source"... or "spoken" from some unknown source?

            "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God..."

            Comment

            • Chip-skiff
              Wolves Without Borders
              • Jan 2008
              • 22840

              #7
              Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

              In the beginning was the Sound, and the Sound was with Dog, and the Sound was WOOF!

              Comment

              • Daniel Noyes
                Banned
                • Jan 2007
                • 8532

                #8
                Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

                ahhhh the "Big Bark Theory"

                Comment

                • delecta
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 3591

                  #9
                  Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

                  Do wolf actually bark, it appears they do all four. Carry on.

                  Comment

                  • Chip-skiff
                    Wolves Without Borders
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 22840

                    #10
                    Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

                    Originally posted by delecta
                    Do wolf actually bark, it appears they do all four. Carry on.
                    Is that supposed to be a sentence in English? All four what?

                    Wolves recite the divine word, speak in tongues, and sing the moon to sleep.

                    Comment

                    • Ron Williamson
                      Rocketman
                      • Apr 2000
                      • 7895

                      #11
                      Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

                      Hawking was just messin' wit' ya.
                      Takin' the piss.
                      Havin' ya on.
                      R
                      Sleep with one eye open.

                      Comment

                      • CWSmith
                        New Hampshire
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 44112

                        #12
                        Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

                        In answer to your question, yes.

                        And in my house, too.
                        "Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world." - Bono

                        "Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." - Will Rogers

                        "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

                        Comment

                        • gypsie
                          NSW Australia
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 8192

                          #13
                          Wow, this has turned into an entertaining thread!
                          Cool 👍
                          It's all fun and games until Darth Vader comes.

                          Comment

                          • wizbang 13
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 24904

                            #14
                            Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)

                            He should have put his game boy down and got to work on a cure for MPB .

                            Comment

                            • Chippie
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 1483

                              #15
                              Re: Is there a theoretical physicist in the house? (Hawking's final thoughts)


                              Originally Posted by ishmae
                              ... I just read a piece saying that Hawking's final thoughts were something like: The universe is a hologram projected from some unknown source.



                              Nope.


                              Professor Stephen Hawking’s final theory on the origin of the universe, which he worked on in collaboration with Professor Thomas Hertog from KU Leuven, has been published today in the Journal of High Energy Physics.

                              We are not down to a single, unique universe, but our findings imply a significant reduction of the multiverse, to a much smaller range of possible universes.


                              The theory, which was submitted for publication before Hawking’s death earlier this year, is based on string theory and predicts the universe is finite and far simpler than many current theories about the big bang say.

                              Professor Hertog, whose work has been supported by the European Research Council, first announced the new theory at a conference at the University of Cambridge in July of last year, organised on the occasion of Professor Hawking’s 75th birthday.

                              Modern theories of the big bang predict that our local universe came into existence with a brief burst of inflation – in other words, a tiny fraction of a second after the big bang itself, the universe expanded at an exponential rate. It is widely believed, however, that once inflation starts, there are regions where it never stops. It is thought that quantum effects can keep inflation going forever in some regions of the universe so that globally, inflation is eternal. The observable part of our universe would then be just a hospitable pocket universe, a region in which inflation has ended and stars and galaxies formed.

                              “The usual theory of eternal inflation predicts that globally our universe is like an infinite fractal, with a mosaic of different pocket universes, separated by an inflating ocean,” said Hawking in an interview last autumn. “The local laws of physics and chemistry can differ from one pocket universe to another, which together would form a multiverse. But I have never been a fan of the multiverse. If the scale of different universes in the multiverse is large or infinite the theory can’t be tested. ”

                              In their new paper, Hawking and Hertog say this account of eternal inflation as a theory of the big bang is wrong. “The problem with the usual account of eternal inflation is that it assumes an existing background universe that evolves according to Einstein’s theory of general relativity and treats the quantum effects as small fluctuations around this,” said Hertog. “However, the dynamics of eternal inflation wipes out the separation between classical and quantum physics. As a consequence, Einstein’s theory breaks down in eternal inflation.”

                              “We predict that our universe, on the largest scales, is reasonably smooth and globally finite. So it is not a fractal structure,” said Hawking.

                              The theory of eternal inflation that Hawking and Hertog put forward is based on string theory: a branch of theoretical physics that attempts to reconcile gravity and general relativity with quantum physics, in part by describing the fundamental constituents of the universe as tiny vibrating strings. Their approach uses the string theory concept of holography, which postulates that the universe is a large and complex hologram: physical reality in certain 3D spaces can be mathematically reduced to 2D projections on a surface.

                              Hawking and Hertog developed a variation of this concept of holography to project out the time dimension in eternal inflation. This enabled them to describe eternal inflation without having to rely on Einstein’ theory. In the new theory, eternal inflation is reduced to a timeless state defined on a spatial surface at the beginning of time.

                              “When we trace the evolution of our universe backwards in time, at some point we arrive at the threshold of eternal inflation, where our familiar notion of time ceases to have any meaning,” said Hertog.

                              Hawking’s earlier ‘no boundary theory’ predicted that if you go back in time to the beginning of the universe, the universe shrinks and closes off like a sphere, but this new theory represents a step away from the earlier work. “Now we’re saying that there is a boundary in our past,” said Hertog.

                              Hertog and Hawking used their new theory to derive more reliable predictions about the global structure of the universe. They predicted the universe that emerges from eternal inflation on the past boundary is finite and far simpler than the infinite fractal structure predicted by the old theory of eternal inflation.

                              Their results, if confirmed by further work, would have far-reaching implications for the multiverse paradigm. “We are not down to a single, unique universe, but our findings imply a significant reduction of the multiverse, to a much smaller range of possible universes,” said Hawking.
                              This makes the theory more predictive and testable.

                              Hertog now plans to study the implications of the new theory on smaller scales that are within reach of our space telescopes. He believes that primordial gravitational waves – ripples in spacetime – generated at the exit from eternal inflation constitute the most promising “smoking gun” to test the model. The expansion of our universe since the beginning means such gravitational waves would have very long wavelengths, outside the range of the current LIGO detectors. But they might be heard by the planned European space-based gravitational wave observatory, LISA, or seen in future experiments measuring the cosmic microwave background.

                              https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/...t-the-big-bang




                              Well reading that has convinced me that there is a reason to head for the local pond and feed the ducks.
                              Last edited by Chippie; 05-11-2018, 01:32 AM.

                              Comment

                              Working...