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CWSmith
05-03-2018, 07:32 AM
This sort of thing makes me sick.




How Redskins Used Cheerleaders: Topless Photo Shoots and an Uneasy Night Out


When the Washington Redskins took their cheerleading squad to Costa Rica in 2013 for a calendar photo shoot, the first cause for concern among the cheerleaders came when Redskins officials collected their passports upon arrival at the resort, depriving them of their official identification.

For the photo shoot, at the adults-only Occidental Grand Papagayo resort on Culebra Bay, some of the cheerleaders said they were required to be topless, though the photographs used for the calendar would not show nudity. Others wore nothing but body paint. Given the resort’s secluded setting, such revealing poses would not have been a concern for the women — except that the Redskins had invited spectators.


A contingent of sponsors and FedExField suite holders — all men — were granted up-close access to the photo shoots.

One evening, at the end of a 14-hour day that included posing and dance practices, the squad’s director told nine of the 36 cheerleaders that their work was not done. They had a special assignment for the night. Some of the male sponsors had picked them to be personal escorts at a nightclub.

“So get back to your room and get ready,” the director told them. Several of them began to cry.

“They weren’t putting a gun to our heads, but it was mandatory for us to go,” one of the cheerleaders said. “We weren’t asked, we were told. Other girls were devastated because we knew exactly what she was doing.”

Their participation did not involve sex, the cheerleaders said, but they felt as if the arrangement amounted to “pimping us out.” What bothered them was their team director’s demand that they go as sex symbols to please male sponsors, which they did not believe should be a part of their job.

The Redskins’ weeklong trip to Costa Rica in 2013 — for which the cheerleaders were paid nothing beyond transportation costs, meals and lodging, the team said — provides a vivid illustration of how N.F.L. teams have used cheerleaders for far more than sideline dancers during games. Their treatment has come under intense scrutiny in recent weeks since two former N.F.L. cheerleaders filed discrimination complaints (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/sports/football/nfl-cheerleaders.html) and described a hostile work environment in which they were often dangled as sex objects for the titillation of male fans away from the games.

Interviews with dozens of current and former N.F.L. cheerleaders revealed a common perspective: They enjoyed performing at games, developing friendships with other cheerleaders and participating in charity work, which included visiting hospitals and going overseas to entertain military troops. But they were disturbed by some of the extracurricular requirements that put them in what they considered unsafe situations.

This account of the Redskins’ calendar shoot at the Occidental Grand Papagayo is based on interviews with five cheerleaders who were involved, and many details were corroborated with others who heard descriptions of the trip at the time. The cheerleaders spoke on condition of anonymity because they were required to sign confidentiality agreements when they joined the team.

“It’s just not right to send cheerleaders out with strange men when some of the girls clearly don’t want to go,” one cheerleader who was there said. “But unfortunately, I feel like it won’t change until something terrible happens, like a girl is assaulted in some way, or raped. I think teams will start paying attention to this only when it’s too late.”

Stephanie Jojokian, the longtime director and choreographer for the Redskins’ cheerleaders, disputed much of the women’s description of the Costa Rica trip. She vehemently denied that the night at the club was mandatory and said that the cheerleaders who went were not chosen by sponsors.

“I was not forcing anyone to go at all,” Ms. Jojokian said. “I’m the mama bear, and I really look out for everybody, not just the cheerleaders. It’s a big family. We respect each other and our craft. It’s such a supportive environment for these ladies.”

In a statement, the Redskins said: “The Redskins’ cheerleader program is one of the NFL’s premier teams in participation, professionalism, and community service. Each Redskin cheerleader is contractually protected to ensure a safe and constructive environment. The work our cheerleaders do in our community, visiting our troops abroad, and supporting our team on the field is something the Redskins organization and our fans take great pride in.”



There is a lot more to the story and I invite you to read it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/how-redskins-used-cheerleaders-topless-photo-shoots-and-an-uneasy-night-out/ar-AAwEnTH?ocid=spartandhp&ffid=gz

Canoeyawl
05-03-2018, 09:52 AM
W was a cheerleader, no?

delecta
05-03-2018, 09:54 AM
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fw2fGLrYvfo/maxresdefault.jpg

Flying Orca
05-03-2018, 09:54 AM
The Redskins? Tone-deaf? Say it ain't so. :rolleyes:

CWSmith
05-03-2018, 11:34 AM
Wow! A former ESPN reporter is basically taking the approach "they asked for it".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-espn-reporter-mchenry-rips-redskins-cheerleaders-for-sexual-harassment-claims/ar-AAwH4gf?ocid=spartandhp&ffid=gz

Paul Pless
05-03-2018, 11:39 AM
Wow! A former ESPN reporter is basically taking the approach "they asked for it".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-espn-reporter-mchenry-rips-redskins-cheerleaders-for-sexual-harassment-claims/ar-AAwH4gf?ocid=spartandhp&ffid=gz

she's now a political commentator on fox
self described conservative who loves sports

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/971950157737717760/BYwbOWj0_400x400.jpg

CWSmith
05-03-2018, 12:15 PM
I would not really want my daughter cheerleading, but there is no way on this Earth that what happened to those young women can be considered acceptable. They even took their passports away which is a clear violation of American law.

Somebody needs to be dragged (and I do mean dragged) into court to answer for this.

SKIP KILPATRICK
05-03-2018, 12:35 PM
I've been a fan of the Washington Racial Slurs my whole life. And it isn't easy being one of their fans!

Paul Pless
05-03-2018, 12:43 PM
I've been a fan of the Washington Racial Slurs my whole life. And it isn't easy being one of their fans!

Try being a Cleveland Browns fan. . .

BrianY
05-03-2018, 12:51 PM
Pro football cheerleaders are pointless, useless, superfluous, and an archaic symbol of sexism and the objectification of women.

That being said, they should not be treated this way.

Hugh Conway
05-03-2018, 01:01 PM
Wow! A former ESPN reporter is basically taking the approach "they asked for it".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-espn-reporter-mchenry-rips-redskins-cheerleaders-for-sexual-harassment-claims/ar-AAwH4gf?ocid=spartandhp&ffid=gz

Nothing like a sex object who thinks shes better crapping on other sex objects for cash. Life must be hard for Ms. Mchenry after her little "do you know who I am" moment: https://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/04/16/britt-mchenry-espn-under-review-tow-lot-employee

Tom Lathrop
05-03-2018, 03:07 PM
Pro football cheerleaders are pointless, useless, superfluous, and an archaic symbol of sexism and the objectification of women.

That being said, they should not be treated this way.

Redskins power brokers went way beyond what is acceptable or even legal. However its seems apparent that the victims continue to line up for selection to be a victim. I suppose they have their rationale for doing so but they also have an easy way out by just walking away, unlike many of the slaves we still have in the good old USA. If it contributes to filled seats, the owners don't give a damn if cheerleaders are humiliated.

Hugh Conway
05-03-2018, 03:56 PM
Redskins power brokers went way beyond what is acceptable or even legal. However its seems apparent that the victims continue to line up for selection to be a victim. I suppose they have their rationale for doing so but they also have an easy way out by just walking away, unlike many of the slaves we still have in the good old USA. If it contributes to filled seats, the owners don't give a damn if cheerleaders are humiliated.

the usual reasons are abuse and lack of opportunity for women. F* that.

Paul Pless
05-03-2018, 04:03 PM
When the Washington Redskins took their cheerleading squad to Costa Rica in 2013 for a calendar photo shoot, the first cause for concern among the cheerleaders came when Redskins officials collected their passports upon arrival at the resort, depriving them of their official identification.couple of questions:

this happened five years ago, why are we just now hearing about it?

and what should the girls have done? immediately contact the u.s. embassy when their passports were taken?

Paul Pless
05-03-2018, 04:08 PM
The Redskinsí cheerleader program is one of the NFLís premier teams one more question, if the redskins squad is one of the premier squads; what's a subpar cheerleading squad look like?

bobbys
05-03-2018, 05:10 PM
one more question, if the redskins squad is one of the premier squads; what's a subpar cheerleading squad look like?

Robin williams as a bronco cheerleader?

CWSmith
05-03-2018, 07:13 PM
couple of questions:

this happened five years ago, why are we just now hearing about it?


It just hit my news feed. That's all I know.


and what should the girls have done? immediately contact the u.s. embassy when their passports were taken?

Yes! Absolutely! Wouldn't you or wouldn't you want your daughter to do exactly that?


one more question, if the redskins squad is one of the premier squads; what's a subpar cheerleading squad look like?

You'll have to ask someone who doesn't think that football is the dumbest game in the world.

I hate the game with a passion.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
05-03-2018, 09:20 PM
one more question, if the redskins squad is one of the premier squads; what's a subpar cheerleading squad look like?




https://media.giphy.com/media/5l9JHO1Q4NzJm/giphy.gif

delecta
05-04-2018, 07:48 AM
You'll have to ask someone who doesn't think that football is the dumbest game in the world.

I hate the game with a passion.

American football is the most intelligent team sport played. It's more of a chess match then a display of talent and luck. Designing plays and executing them, anticipating reactions to formations, it is far more involved then any of the others. In baseball you have a certain game plan but for the most it's hit the ball. The pitcher obviously has a ton of information which has been garnered on the batters he's facing, percentages are factored and pitches thrown based on a likely hood of success. The batter never hits low inside fast balls until he does. In this case we're depending on the ability of one team player to achieve the goal.

Basket ball is a complete joke and hockey more of the same as far as intelligence required to execute the plan. There is no plan, pray and hope that talent, instinct and luck all converge.

Football needs some changes to get back to what I appreciate about the game. They need far less padding, less head protection and respect for the possibilities. It has become a a far more physical game with 300 pounders that think they are invincible with their padding and protective gear. That doesn't necessary change the design and execution of plays but it does create a feeling of uneasiness for the viewers as more severe injury's occur.

Barry
05-04-2018, 08:06 AM
American football is the most intelligent team sport played. It's more of a chess match then a display of talent and luck. Designing plays and executing them, anticipating reactions to formations, it is far more involved then any of the others. In baseball you have a certain game plan but for the most it's hit the ball. The pitcher obviously has a ton of information which has been garnered on the batters he's facing, percentages are factored and pitches thrown based on a likely hood of success. The batter never hits low inside fast balls until he does. In this case we're depending on the ability of one team player to achieve the goal.

Basket ball is a complete joke and hockey more of the same as far as intelligence required to execute the plan. There is no plan, pray and hope that talent, instinct and luck all converge.

Football needs some changes to get back to what I appreciate about the game. They need far less padding, less head protection and respect for the possibilities. It has become a a far more physical game with 300 pounders that think they are invincible with their padding and protective gear. That doesn't necessary change the design and execution of plays but it does create a feeling of uneasiness for the viewers as more severe injury's occur.

Obviously a reply engendered by Oppositional Disorder, but have you been tested for CTE?
It appears you have been Concussed, more than once.

Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE) is a neurodegenerative disease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurodegeneration) found in people who have had multiple head injuries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_injuries).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy#cite_note-JAMA2017-1) Symptoms may include behavioral problems, mood problems (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mood_problem), and problems with thinking.[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy#cite_note-JAMA2017-1) This typically does not begin until years after the injuries.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy#cite_note-Ste2014-2) It often gets worse over time and can result in dementia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia).[ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_traumatic_encephalopathy#cite_note-Ste2014-2)

delecta
05-04-2018, 08:21 AM
When I was a kid I had a Harley Davidson Leggaro that needed to be jumped, Evil Knievel was doing his thing, as did I. I laid there on the ground and watch the stars float all around me.

Oh, I understand the problems. My thoughts are that the method of tackling needs to change and the feeling of invincibility. Obviously the fancy helmets don't work. Let's keep working on "better" head gear and damage another generation.

Changes can be made but will the fans not only accept but embrace a less violent NFL?https://i1.wp.com/ridermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/web-IMG_1314.jpg?w=575

Picture the muffler removed, head pipe swung up and an 1 1/4 copper pipe leading back. Headlight removed and a piece of cardboard in it's place. Front fender in the corner of the garage and knobby tires. I kicked a$$ on those Honda XR 75's .

Paul Pless
05-04-2018, 08:24 AM
flag football

mmd
05-04-2018, 08:29 AM
"American football is the most intelligent team sport played."

<Giggle, snort, guffaw.> Spoken like a True Believer. Or someone who doesn't get out much.

delecta
05-04-2018, 08:40 AM
"American football is the most intelligent team sport played."

<Giggle, snort, guffaw.> Spoken like a True Believer. Or someone who doesn't get out much.

So what sport do you feel involves the most critical thinking?

mmd
05-04-2018, 08:47 AM
delecta, I am not going to go there with you, as the likelihood of anything I say causing you to rethink your position is remote, and more likely to merely provide you with a platform to spew your MAGA foolishness. I would suggest that you might try to educate yourself a bit past your national borders, though.

Art Haberland
05-04-2018, 08:47 AM
I can think of a few.. starting with the reason for our boats... Sailing

Paul Pless
05-04-2018, 08:52 AM
So what sport do you feel involves the most critical thinking?would you consider billiards a sport or a game - i'm thinking straight pool or snooker require both high levels of skill and intellect

curling maybe?

golf

various motorsports. . .

sailing

Paul Pless
05-04-2018, 08:54 AM
i actually think football ranks pretty high in the intelligence required to play at a very high level, especially linebacker, defensive backs, defensive ends, qb and interior linesmen

delecta
05-04-2018, 09:18 AM
delecta, I am not going to go there with you, as the likelihood of anything I say causing you to rethink your position is remote, and more likely to merely provide you with a platform to spew your MAGA foolishness. I would suggest that you might try to educate yourself a bit past your national borders, though.

I will admit I'm not entirely well versed in what ever ice berg games you play up there and I'm sure there are other sports that might approach American football from a tactical prospective, rugby perhaps, I should have stated in American sports.

I think if you choose not to get all MEGA on me the proper position would have been to not hit post in the first place. Many posts, not only yours, seem to offer no information other then you should be operating a new Caterpillar D6.

I'm completely open to changing my position, my thoughts on F1 are probably different then most. I look at it as a somewhat team sport but the tactics involved for me are far more important then seeing on track passing just for the sake of passing. When the Red Bulls pitted in China for the softer tire it was a brilliant tactical move. Obviously passing was required after such to snatch victory but without that key decision being taken there would have never been victory even if you had Senna in the car.

In all sports you depend on the best athletes to do their job and much of the results are based on talent, luck and so on. When a crap football team can put together an amazing game plan it's more about the chess moves then the talent. Your queen is just the same as mine, there is a levelness that occurs and from that we get?

Two teams have had undefeated regular seasons, with only one team winning them all.

On any given Sunday.

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 09:24 AM
So what sport do you feel involves the most critical thinking?

Chess...

Football is on par with checkers or tic-tac-toe perhaps. A bunch of grown men chasing a pigskin? Come on.
The head of a goat would be more appropriate.

mmd
05-04-2018, 09:24 AM
^Don't forget all the eating of blubber and living in igloos. Can't forget the tactical advantage of living in igloos...

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 09:43 AM
Extreme ironing...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Extermeironingrivelin.jpg

delecta
05-04-2018, 09:50 AM
[QUOTE=Canoeyawl;5553004]Chess...

Football is on par with checkers or tic-tac-toe perhaps. A bunch of grown men chasing a pigskin? Come on.
The head of a goat would be more appropriate.[/QUOTE

Obviously you don't understand the game and there is nothing wrong with that. In the grand scheme, they are just games. I believe that some involve more critical thinking, planning and execution. I went to a chess club one night and played one of the better players. I destroyed him with my knights, there was a little thought (luck) on my side but a new approach my opponent hadn't seen before. The club president was dully impressed and challenged me to the next game. I got my a$$ kicked, he took my knights and ground them up into sausage.

There is an incredible amount of talent on all sports teams, I think that the thinkers of the game in American football have a better understanding of how to utilize their pieces not unlike a chess game.

Michael, don't be like that. There is no reason we can't have a discussion about sports, throwing my political position out as some sort of excuse is kind of short sighted. I still engage you even though you have a different prospective regarding politics.

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 09:56 AM
"
Obviously you don't understand the game and there is nothing wrong with that".

Perhaps you could explain why that is "obvious"?

Try again to knock me down another peg or two while you are at it...

delecta
05-04-2018, 10:04 AM
".

Perhaps you could explain why that is "obvious"?

Try again to knock me down another peg or two while you are at it...




Comparing tic tac toe to the complex formations and adjustments to such on an NFL line.

You obviously understand the game, I was mistaken. Here XOXOX hugs and kisses. :)

mmd
05-04-2018, 10:09 AM
OK, politics aside...

I do not believe that you, an avowed right-wing American patriot, can allow yourself to reasonably consider that there can be any game better in any way than American football. It is ingrained in you since birth that all things American are the best, and that football is the greatest of all sports and an allegory for American society, and therefore unassailable. I can't see that you are capable of transcending your indoctrination. I am not meaning to imply that American football is not complicated and strategic; I am pointing out that your previous participations on this forum suggests that you cannot admit that there may be something "out there" that is better than what you are sure is the best. In other words, I do not believe that you - you personally - are capable of engaging honestly in a reasonable discussion with a non-American about any topic in which you might be required to admit that something non-American might be better that a similar thing that is wholly American. Basically, from past observation of, and experience with, you, I do not trust you to engage honestly, as indicated by your slur about "ice berg (sic) games..."

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 10:14 AM
Typically American, Football has evolved to extract the most money possible from the spectators.

Primarily this seems to be about marketing, selling addictive alcoholic beverages, cheeseburgers and automobiles.

RonP
05-04-2018, 10:18 AM
Chess is a board game, not a sport. If you think football is only a bunch of grown men chasing a pigskin then your certainly not into football. It is in fact a very complex game.
Chess...

Football is on par with checkers or tic-tac-toe perhaps. A bunch of grown men chasing a pigskin? Come on.
The head of a goat would be more appropriate.

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 10:20 AM
Chess is a board game, not a sport. If you think football is only a bunch of grown men chasing a pigskin then your certainly not into football. It is in fact a very complex game.

It's not a bunch of grown men chasing a pigskin?

Well, an inflated pigskin. That complicates matters immensely, I'll give you that

delecta
05-04-2018, 10:57 AM
OK, politics aside...


You had something going there and then it all went to hell, Why don't you put politics aside and tell me what you think is the greatest team sport and why?

Just to be clear I don't live and breath any sport other then F1. I don't have to watch any particular football game but I've been know to watch F1 qualifying at 2am on the day of my wedding. Of course it just happened to be on and that was when I went to bed. I'm not a fanatic :)

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 11:09 AM
"Greatest" ?

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/lancasteronline.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/5/a7/5a78b328-1a45-11e6-989c-a306c3e6d536/5737dfe16c19d.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C1025

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 11:13 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Varsity_Polo_2013.jpg/1200px-Varsity_Polo_2013.jpg

delecta
05-04-2018, 11:14 AM
I guess we're just on a different page or you have your head up the goats XXO.

The greatest sport is naked beach volley ball. duh!

Tom Lathrop
05-04-2018, 11:21 AM
It's not a bunch of grown men chasing a pigskin?

Well, an inflated pigskin. That complicates matters immensely, I'll give you that

My oldest son is a fan of that other kind of football and does not follow American football at all. I, on the other hand have been a fan and player, when young, of our indigenous variety and love following the intricacies of the game. Never the twain shall meet and your ignorance of the American sport shows only that you are ignorant of the sport. I can actually watch a soccer match but cannot understand the fervor that many people generate in pursuit of it. Our football is a very rough sport and injuries are a negative aspect that may never be eliminated. Rugby and other similar games are not free of serious injury either. It is very complex and simple size and strength does not produce the winner very often when faced by superior skill.

I would think that some of you "furiners" might not appreciate the skill and athletic ability of a quarterback who can throw the inflated pigskin (actually cowhide) 50 yards and placing in in the hands of a fast receiver at some angle while the receiver is covered by one or more defenders and he himself is about to be plastered by charging defenders who outweigh him by 100 pounds. Comments of another persons sport by one who has no understanding or appreciation of it is just silly and a waste of air, ink or digits.

Paul Pless
05-04-2018, 11:23 AM
de gustibus non est disputandum

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 11:24 AM
Complex indeed...

https://cdnph.upi.com/ph/st/th/4331498001637/2017/upi/bd4b5a54d6513849eb0267264b97bed9/v1.5/Former-NFL-star-OJ-Simpson-has-parole-hearing-on-July-20.jpg?lg=5

delecta
05-04-2018, 11:32 AM
Complex indeed...



I think you're just suppose to tip over your king.

Osborne Russell
05-04-2018, 11:49 AM
Typically American, Football has evolved to extract the most money possible from the spectators.

Primarily this seems to be about marketing, selling addictive alcoholic beverages, cheeseburgers and automobiles.

Bread, circuses, support the troops . . . grease the palms.


A joint oversight report released today by Arizona Sens. John McCain and Jeff Flake found that roughly $6.8 million in taxpayer-funded marketing contracts with professional sports teams since 2012 have included "paid patriotism" events. (You can read the full report here.)

"Unsuspecting audience members became the subjects of paid marketing campaigns rather than simply bearing witness to teams' authentic, voluntary shows of support for the brave men and women who wear our nation's uniform," the two stated in the introduction to the report. "It is hard to understand how a team accepting taxpayer funds to sponsor a military appreciation game, or to recognize wounded warriors or returning troops, can be construed as anything other than paid patriotism."

http://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/here-s-how-much-pentagon-paid-sports-teams-military-tributes-167939/

skuthorp
05-04-2018, 03:55 PM
It's more of a business than a sport.
Sport is what you do, not what you watch on TV dolled up in the sponsors logos and colours.
That's just entertainment, the client is the sponsor and the patsies are the ones who think it's still a football club.

Applies to all top line codes, especially the ones who bend the rules and the game's timings to the advertisers schedules.

Canoeyawl
05-04-2018, 04:32 PM
Perhaps one of the greatest businesses, with just the NFL having an annual take of over $14 Billion, now add stadiums, college and high school football to that and it starts to become real money.

Paul Pless
05-04-2018, 04:34 PM
Perhaps one of the greatest businesses, with just the NFL having an annual take of over $14 Billion, now add stadiums, college and high school football to that and it starts to become real money.chump change

sports gambling is about to be legalized, and the leagues are gonna have a stake in it. . .

skuthorp
05-04-2018, 04:37 PM
Half the ads will be for gambling companies. You just watch. BTW, what's the tax take going to be?

'Chump' is about the right word to use.