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Ian McColgin
04-27-2018, 08:57 AM
[IMc - The phony 'christians' strike.]

Published on Friday, April 27, 2018, by Common Dreams

Is Paul Ryan Actually Satan? Questions Swirl Over Whether House Chaplain Was Forced to Resign After Praying for Fairer Taxes
Because "no one said Paul Ryan was going to finish on a high note."

by Jon Queally, staff writer

Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan is under fire on Friday after it was reported he forced out House Chaplain Patrick Conroy from his post, allegedly over a recent prayer that called for—get this—a fairer tax code.

According to The Hill, which first reported the story, Conroy makes it clear in his resignation announcement, which came last week but was not revealed until Thursday, that it was submitted at the behest of Ryan.

"As you have requested, I hereby offer my resignation as the 60th Chaplain of the United States House of Representatives," Conroy's letter to the Speaker reads. Conroy has been the chaplain of the U.S. House of Representatives since 2011.

While an aide to Ryan told one reporter that Conroy was not asked to resign over any one specific prayer, Democratic lawmakers are demanding more answers.

Ryan, of course, has made a career out of using using a choir boy facade and faux budgetary genius to mesmerize the press while doing everything possible to enrich the already wealthy and attack the poor and working class. But as Margaret Hartmann writes for New York Magazine, "Under the Trump administration, we've learned that [Ryan] is willing to shrug off racist remarks from the president, and has no problem enabling attacks on the rule of law. But one thing that will not be tolerated in Ryan's House is a man of God suggesting that tax cuts should be fair to all Americans."

The accusation that Conroy was ousted over a prayer he delivered in November of 2017—in which he hoped that the result of the GOP tax bill then being debated would "guarantee that there are not winners and losers under new tax laws, but benefits balanced and shared by all Americans"—has not been confirmed, but reporting from Capitol Hill suggests the prayer was upsetting to Ryan. Vanity Fair reports:

While one source claimed that "some of the more conservative evangelical Republicans didn't like that the Father had invited a Muslim person to give the opening prayer," others offered a more compelling reason: Ryan "took issue with a prayer on the House floor that could have been perceived as being critical of the G.O.P. tax cut bill." According to a Democratic aide, Conroy's ouster was "largely driven by [the] speech on the tax bill that the speaker didn’t like." AshLee Strong, a spokesperson for the speaker, declined to explain the personnel decision, noting only Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and her office "were fully read in and did not object."

While Ryan announced earlier this month he would not seek re-election for his seat, that did not keep Randy Bryce, one of the progressive Democrats who had thrown his hat in the right to unseat the powerful Republican in Wisconsin, from pointing out how representative this kind of behavior would be for both Ryan and the GOP more broadly

[Main article has various tweets of condemnation and speculation. See https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/04/27/paul-ryan-actually-satan-questions-swirl-over-whether-house-chaplain-was-forced

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David G
04-27-2018, 09:33 AM
A toxic and perverse admixture of cronyism, corruption, and incompetence...

James McMullen
04-27-2018, 06:35 PM
Just think how it would be if God actually, genuinely answered prayers like it says in the Bible.

“And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.” Matthew 21:22

Meanwhile back in reality. . .

Ian McColgin
04-27-2018, 08:32 PM
God answers.

Sometimes the answer is,

"NO!"

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
04-27-2018, 09:14 PM
God gives you the answer you need not the one you want.

James McMullen
04-28-2018, 02:41 AM
Ah yes, and you distinguish this from not answering at all in what way? Seriously, how do you tell the difference between “sometimes yes and sometimes no” from chance?

If God actually answers prayers, why doesn’t God ever heal amputees? (http://www.whywontgodhealamputees.com/)

And only answering some prayers, sometimes, isn’t what the Bible says. Let’s not have any sophistry or sleight of hand here. The Bible says something very specific about prayer, and it is a testable claim.

Here’s an exact quote:

13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
John 14:13-14

WI-Tom
04-28-2018, 02:51 AM
My favorite headline from The Onion:

"God Answers Prayer of Little Boy in Wheelchair: 'No!' Says God"

Tom

skuthorp
04-28-2018, 03:00 AM
Sounds to me like a politician over promising to the rubes confident that by next month they won't remember.
And an obvious fiction, though there is an argument that it only referred to the apostles.

Peerie Maa
04-28-2018, 03:03 AM
While one source claimed that "some of the more conservative evangelical Republicans didn't like that the Father had invited a Muslim person to give the opening prayer," others offered a more compelling reason: Ryan "took issue with a prayer on the House floor that could have been perceived as being critical of the G.O.P. tax cut bill." According to a Democratic aide, Conroy's ouster was "largely driven by [the] speech on the tax bill that the speaker didn’t like."
The Constitution requires separation of Church and State, so the House Chaplain should have known better.

Wait a moment, the House Chaplain . . . ? :D

Bob Adams
04-28-2018, 08:46 AM
God answers.

Sometimes the answer is,

"NO!"

Yup.

John Smith
04-28-2018, 09:04 AM
Congress begins every session with a prayer. That tells you how useful it is.

Breakaway
04-28-2018, 09:11 AM
Here’s an exact quote:

13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
John 14:13-14

That was Jesus speaking, not God speaking, James.

Kevin

John Smith
04-28-2018, 09:14 AM
That was Jesus speaking, not God speaking, James.

Kevin

Okay, you all. Someone, PLEASE, explain exactly what it is we trust in God to do. Show me how opening congress with prayer has done any good.

Rigadog
04-28-2018, 09:16 AM
What Congress really needs is a confessional booth. You can do away with the rest of it.

Barry
04-28-2018, 09:33 AM
Remember the outrage over Keith Ellison wanting to swear on the Quran instead of the bible?
It was a copy owned by Jefferson. People really got lathered up over that event.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_oath_controversy_of_the_110th_United_States_ Congress

House Chaplain, what Joke. I mean who really cares?

Jimmy W
05-04-2018, 12:48 PM
That was Jesus speaking, not God speaking, James.

Kevin

Isn't God supposed to be the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost? Why are the words of Jesus not the words of God to a Christian?

David G
05-04-2018, 02:25 PM
Isn't God supposed to be the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost? Why aren't the words of Jesus not the words of God to a Christian?

To a Trinitarian - like a Roman Catholic, for instance, yes. To a Unitarian Christian - not so much.

Lew Barrett
05-04-2018, 02:48 PM
Congress begins every session with a prayer. That tells you how useful it is.

John!:D

Ian McColgin
05-04-2018, 03:21 PM
Back to the OP - I give Ryan credit for admitting he was wrong - always a good move if in argument with a Jesuit. Looks like Ryan's chief of staff gets to fall on his sword for this one.

skuthorp
05-04-2018, 03:28 PM
What Congress really needs is a confessional booth. You can do away with the rest of it.
What congress really needss is a lie detector booth……… wired up to the mains if they answer dishonestly.

James McMullen
05-04-2018, 05:12 PM
If prayers actually worked, it’d show up in the actuarial tables. There’s far too much money at stake for a little data point like that to be ignored. But they don’t. Q.E.D.

Ian McColgin
05-04-2018, 06:13 PM
The evolution of god (excellent book of that title by Robert Wright) is a bit complicated, especially regarding just what prayer is or does. Given the vast set of metaphysical assumptions behind any and all perspectives on whatever prayer might be, the chances of doing more than trading jokes (my #4) or disparaging one liners is remote.