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Puttputt
04-23-2018, 03:39 PM
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pedestrians-struck-white-van-1.4631564

skuthorp
04-23-2018, 04:01 PM
Reports of 9 dead, 16 injured, perp in custody.

mmd
04-23-2018, 04:08 PM
I have been listening to updates on this event on CBC Radio One all afternoon. So far, no comments on race or national origin, only a comment from a pedestrian witness who said he and the perp 'looked at each other for a long moment' and the witness described him as 'an angry young man'.

CBC News is reporting nine dead, sixteen injured - three in critical condition, two in serious condition.

Bob Adams
04-23-2018, 04:27 PM
Evil always seems to find a way.

The Bigfella
04-23-2018, 05:01 PM
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/3f3be00f441d3f2747f44fc5c88a8941?width=650

JimD
04-23-2018, 05:04 PM
In the video of his arrest it looks like he was pretending to have a gun and aimed it at police, as though attempting suicide by cop. Cops didn't go for it.

mmd
04-23-2018, 05:12 PM
Good for the cops. Dead perps can't tell us why they did their nasty deeds.

JimD
04-23-2018, 05:29 PM
Good for the cops. Dead perps can't tell us why they did their nasty deeds.And can't be held up as a martyr for a cause, assuming he had a cause.

JimD
04-23-2018, 06:50 PM
Driver identified as Alek Minassian, 25

https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/alek%20minassian.jpghttps://okdiario.com/img/2018/04/23/alek-minassian-655x368.jpg

Steve McMahon
04-23-2018, 08:11 PM
10 dead, 15 injured now. The cop that took down the suspect deserves a raise.

JimD
04-23-2018, 08:25 PM
The cop that took down the suspect deserves a raise.

Watch the guy trying to get the cop to shoot him:

https://globalnews.ca/video/4162715/videos-purportedly-capture-police-takedown-of-toronto-van-attack-suspect

https://www.facebook.com/cbcnews/videos/10156543612569604/

carioca1232001
04-24-2018, 12:02 AM
Watch the guy trying to get the cop to shoot him...

The cop keeps his cool. One way of sifting out men from the boys.

Peerie Maa
04-24-2018, 05:57 AM
From the BeeB

The calm actions of a police officer who arrested the Toronto van suspect without firing a shot have prompted praise and, in some quarters, astonishment.
Video from the scene shows suspect Alek Minassian pointing an object at the officer and shouting: "Kill me!"
The officer tells the man to "get down" and when the suspect says he has a gun, the officer repeats: "I don't care. Get down."
Minassian is then seen lying down and the officer arrests him (https://twitter.com/BoyerMichel/status/988492132636913665).
Many in North America are asking how the suspect did not end up dead in a hail of police gunfire. It contrasts with incidents in the US where police have shot and killed unarmed people (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43574249).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43876772

Sounds like attempted suicide by cop. Either from the get go or . . . Time will tell.

birlinn
04-24-2018, 06:07 AM
Looks like he was a loner computer nerd who was screwed up because couldn't get a girl.

Dave Hadfield
04-24-2018, 06:30 AM
That and the hair loss at 25.

They will enjoy him in prison.

Flying Orca
04-24-2018, 07:12 AM
Sounds as if he may have been on the autistic spectrum, too. Ontario's supports for people with intellectual disabilities are notoriously broken, per the ombudsman's report from a couple of years back (https://www.ombudsman.on.ca/resources/reports-and-case-summaries/reports-on-investigations/2016/nowhere-to-turn), but in my professional experience, supports for many who are often called "high-functioning" range from inadequate to non-existent right across Canada.

Sailor
04-24-2018, 07:59 AM
Apparently he told the cop "I have a gun". Cops reply?
"I don't care."
Cucumber anyone?

CK 17
04-24-2018, 09:35 AM
Apparently he told the cop "I have a gun". Cops reply?
"I don't care."
Cucumber anyone?
In the good ole USA that dude would look like a piece of Swiss cheese!

Flying Orca
04-24-2018, 10:13 AM
In the good ole USA that dude would look like a piece of Swiss cheese!

Maybe not. He looks white.

Bob Adams
04-24-2018, 10:34 AM
Maybe not. He looks white.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

CWSmith
04-24-2018, 10:41 AM
In the video of his arrest it looks like he was pretending to have a gun and aimed it at police, as though attempting suicide by cop. Cops didn't go for it.


Driver identified as Alek Minassian, 25

https://okdiario.com/img/2018/04/23/alek-minassian-655x368.jpg

Now that is some disciplined and well-trained cops! Good for them!

Flying Orca
04-24-2018, 10:59 AM
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

From the title of the article you linked: "overall white people are statistically less likely to be killed by police than black people"

Bob Adams
04-24-2018, 11:27 AM
From the title of the article you linked: "overall white people are statistically less likely to be killed by police than black people"

My intention was to show being killed by law enforcement was not exclusively a "black" thing. I could cherry pick too and post the raw numbers that show more whites killed by police. That would be unethical. I would post crime statistics by race, but that would be considered racist. Suffice to say, the higher percentage of a population group engaging in illegal activities, the higher percentage of interaction with police, the greater percentage getting shot.

Ron Williamson
04-24-2018, 11:36 AM
I'm guessing that most Toronto cops are being quite careful about what they do with their guns since

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sammy_Yatim


R

Daniel Noyes
04-24-2018, 11:43 AM
My intention was to show being killed by law enforcement was not exclusively a "black" thing. I could cherry pick too and post the raw numbers that show more whites killed by police. That would be unethical. I would post crime statistics by race, but that would be considered racist. Suffice to say, the higher percentage of a population group engaging in illegal activities, the higher percentage of interaction with police, the greater percentage getting shot.


please don't go upsetting Orca's extremist ideologies and partisan narrative with actual Facts.

Flying Orca
04-24-2018, 11:54 AM
My intention was to show being killed by law enforcement was not exclusively a "black" thing.

I didn't claim that it was. I suggested that the guy might not have been filled full of holes by US law enforcement because he appears white, the implication being that he is therefore less likely to be shot by law enforcement... which, as the article you posted bears out, is true.

Flying Orca
04-24-2018, 11:55 AM
please don't go upsetting Orca's extremist ideologies and partisan narrative with actual Facts.

If you can find a counter-factual claim in anything I have posted on this thread, bring it. Otherwise you're just blabbering.

Peerie Maa
04-24-2018, 12:03 PM
I'm guessing that most Toronto cops are being quite careful about what they do with their guns since

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Sammy_Yatim


R


The death of Sammy Yatim occurred early in the morning of July 27, 2013
This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_Ca nada suggests that it is less than 10 each year up until 2014.
So do you have a point?

Flying Orca
04-24-2018, 12:34 PM
Looks like he was a loner computer nerd who was screwed up because couldn't get a girl.

I've run into a few of these "incel" misogynist wingnuts online. Strange people. There's some overlap with other forms of hate such as white supremacy, of course.

skuthorp
04-24-2018, 01:36 PM
Nervous little souls the gun crowd are……………………

Seems he wasn't brave enough to top himself, but brave enough to kill or maim strangers in pursuit of suicide by cop.

johnw
04-24-2018, 02:16 PM
I've run into a few of these "incel" misogynist wingnuts online. Strange people. There's some overlap with other forms of hate such as white supremacy, of course.
Who could possibly have known that women don't want to sleep with men who hate women?

Flying Orca
04-24-2018, 02:56 PM
Who could possibly have known that women don't want to sleep with men who hate women?

Right?!

carioca1232001
04-24-2018, 02:57 PM
Looks like he was a loner computer nerd who was screwed up because couldn't get a girl.

There are people who moan incessantly about not being able to get this or that, but never ever was the object of their desire a wooden boat. :D :D

Hugh Conway
04-24-2018, 04:14 PM
I've run into a few of these "incel" misogynist wingnuts online. Strange people. There's some overlap with other forms of hate such as white supremacy, of course.

they like MAGA, but then misogyny is the only thing linking the disparate threads of the US right wing now.

Bob Adams
04-24-2018, 04:22 PM
Nervous little souls the gun crowd are……………………

Seems he wasn't brave enough to top himself, but brave enough to kill or maim strangers in pursuit of suicide by cop.

What's the "gun crowd" have to do with this?

Flying Orca
04-24-2018, 04:45 PM
they like MAGA, but then misogyny is the only thing linking the disparate threads of the US right wing now.

It does seem to be a common theme.

bobbys
04-24-2018, 06:45 PM
What's the "gun crowd" have to do with this?.

Liberal tactics demand they turn this into , guns, whites, MAGA, US right wing. . As you just read..

Ron Williamson
04-24-2018, 07:15 PM
This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_Ca nada suggests that it is less than 10 each year up until 2014.
So do you have a point?


I'm pretty sure they've gotten a bunch of de-escalation training.
R

JimD
04-24-2018, 07:27 PM
Meanwhile, in the fake news department... http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/toronto-van-attack-coverage-has-been-plagued-by-fake-news-screw-ups-and-lies/

PeterSibley
04-24-2018, 07:35 PM
Any word of the driver's motivation yet .... beyond a failed love life ?

Steve McMahon
04-24-2018, 07:44 PM
Angry young man.

BrianW
04-24-2018, 10:09 PM
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Liberal tactics demand they turn this into , guns, whites, MAGA, US right wing. . As you just read..

I noticed the same thing. Which only proves just how truly single track minded they can be.

I'm so glad I donít live my life like that.

seanz
04-24-2018, 10:18 PM
What's an Incel?

BrianW
04-24-2018, 10:20 PM
INvoluntary CELibacy.

Can’t get laid.

I know, it’s the first I’ve heard of it too.

gilberj
04-24-2018, 11:24 PM
What a wonderful example of Police doing the job right......yes this is a thinly veiled swipe at the actions of certain other police we so frequently read about....

Peerie Maa
04-25-2018, 04:52 AM
I'm pretty sure they've gotten a bunch of de-escalation training.
R

Could be, that is something that all police forces should adopt. May be it is just cultural. Posted above up until 2014 all Canadian police together shot less than ten people a year. In the US?
Then there is this appalling opinion by an academic.

However, Michael Lyman, professor of Criminal Justice Administration at Columbia College of Missouri, told the BBC that the officer may have had a "duty" to kill the suspect.
"Assuming the suspect is holding a gun and pointing it toward officers, it is concerning that the officer is not engaging the suspect with deadly force," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43876772

redeye1962
04-25-2018, 05:38 AM
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Peerie Maa
04-25-2018, 06:30 AM
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Phillip Allen
04-25-2018, 10:03 AM
In the good ole USA that dude would look like a piece of Swiss cheese!

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