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SKIP KILPATRICK
04-06-2018, 08:18 AM
HA!


FROM: NPR: https://www.npr.org/2018/04/06/599972396/concerned-evangelicals-plan-to-meet-with-trump-as-sex-scandals-swirl

'Concerned' Evangelicals Plan To Meet With Trump As Sex Scandals Swirl

As allegations continue to swirl about the president and a payout to a porn star to cover up a sexual encounter, evangelical leaders are organizing a sit-down with President Trump in June, four sources with knowledge of the planned meeting tell NPR.

"We're very concerned" about the allegations, said a leader of a faith-based ministry. The leader is involved in hosting the gathering, which organizers are aiming to take place June 19 at Trump International Hotel in Washington, D.C. The source said the combination of the Stormy Daniels (https://www.npr.org/2018/03/25/596868354/stormy-daniels-shares-graphic-details-about-alleged-affair-with-trump) sex-scandal allegations and Trump's continued reputation for divisive rhetoric could suppress evangelical turnout in the November 2018 elections (https://www.npr.org/tags/549279262/2018-midterm-elections).

"It is a concern of ours that 2018 could be very detrimental to some of the other issues that we hold dear," like religious liberty and restricting abortion rights, the source noted. The source, like the others with knowledge of the event, spoke to NPR on the condition of anonymity so as to not jeopardize the meeting.

Trump has denied Daniels' allegations. Speaking with reporters on Air Force One on Thursday, he also denied knowing about the payment his attorney, Michael Cohen, made to Daniels days before the 2016 presidential election. She alleges she was paid $130,000 not to talk about the alleged affair.

Sources say organizers are working to firm up planning for the day-long event with the White House before sending invitations to hundreds of conservative Christian pastors and political leaders in the coming days.

Asked for comment Thursday, a White House spokesman declined.

Trump has been invited to take questions from the evangelical leaders for roughly 90 minutes during the meeting. It's not clear whether the allegations from Daniels or another woman who alleges she had an affair (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/23/596257288/former-playboy-model-spills-alleged-affair-details-trump-tried-to-pay-her) with Trump, former Playboy model Karen McDougal are likely to come up while the president is on stage in a more open session.

But a source said the president is likely to be asked about the women during private discussions in at least a "sidebar conversation."
The ministry leader said Trump's tone and personal life remain a concern for many evangelicals.

"There's things that are like fingernails on the chalkboard to people of faith. That's not who we are; that's not a 'fruit of the Spirit'; that's not leading with humility," the source said, referencing a passage in the New Testament book of Galatians that describes the character traits Christians exhibit.

The meeting is part of an effort to rally and reassure conservative voters, especially white evangelicals who fueled Trump's run to the White House, ahead of this year's midterms. But it also could raise questions about the ethics of holding such events, organized through the White House, at Trump's hotel just a few blocks from the White House.

That prospect did not seem to concern the evangelical leaders involved with booking the event.
"That doesn't even cross our mind," said one person with knowledge of the planning, adding that the hotel was chosen because "this is probably the best deal in D.C."

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Chris Smith porter maine
04-06-2018, 08:26 AM
Trump International Hotel.... LMAO

skuthorp
04-06-2018, 08:27 AM
Hey, stuff any principles, it's the power we want to keep.

"It is a concern of ours that 2018 could be very detrimental to some of the other issues that we hold dear,"

And as for ethics, I doubt the know the word, let alone what it means.

Garret
04-06-2018, 08:29 AM
What a bunch of hypocrites. They didn't know what they were getting when they supported him? Give me a break.

Adding the piece about hosting it at a Trump hotel just proves how little they care about ethics or morality.

Reynard38
04-06-2018, 08:34 AM
They hitched thier wagon to him, now they can follow him over the cliff.

LeeG
04-06-2018, 08:37 AM
Things they hold dear. Their religious liberty to restrict others liberty to chose reproductive health care. What a steaming pile of home grown poo.

Lew Barrett
04-06-2018, 09:25 AM
I don't want to hear one more "have a blessed day." If anything ever forces me out of Nashville, it will be blessed days.

SKIP KILPATRICK
04-06-2018, 09:32 AM
I don't want to hear one more "have a blessed day." If anything ever forces me out of Nashville, it will be blessed days.


ROTFLMAO!!!! I'm with you!

Garret
04-06-2018, 09:33 AM
I don't want to hear one more "have a blessed day." If anything ever forces me out of Nashville, it will be blessed days.

A friend, now gone, when confronted with the ubiquitous plastic "Have a nice day" would look at the person gravely & say "Thank you, but I have other plans". Befuddlement ensued...

David G
04-06-2018, 09:38 AM
The evangelicals SHOULD be concerned. Unfortunately... they seem to be concerned about the wrong things.

John of Phoenix
04-06-2018, 10:00 AM
...issues that we hold dear, "like restricting abortion rights".

Look at that! They admit that they want to strip people of their rights. Such refreshing honesty.

[puke]

Nicholas Scheuer
04-06-2018, 10:51 AM
This should be entertaining, eh? Note to Sky; already ROTFLMAO.

The Gentleman Sawyer
04-06-2018, 11:10 AM
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S.V. Airlie
04-06-2018, 11:14 AM
It should at least be painted gold!

Gerarddm
04-06-2018, 12:15 PM
Some idjit evangelical leader said recently that our current president had recently 'found God ', and so.. bygones!

What ugly Miserable Creatures they are. Blaugh.

Sky Blue
04-06-2018, 12:19 PM
They can vote for Democrats if they like. Perhaps that party would be a better vehicle for their political objectives.

bobbys
04-06-2018, 01:09 PM
I don't want to hear one more "have a blessed day." If anything ever forces me out of Nashville, it will be blessed days..

In NJ if someone tells you to go fk yerself, that means have a nice day.

Outside of NJ if someone tells you, have a nice day, that really means, go fk yerself..

Just a observation.

S.V. Airlie
04-06-2018, 01:13 PM
They can vote for Democrats if they like. Perhaps that party would be a better vehicle for their political objectives.Doubtful! Unless they escape from the clutches of the Evangelical church.

Jim Bow
04-06-2018, 01:30 PM
Trump International DC has a discount rate of $420 a night.
How many of those "hundreds of evangelicals" will stay there versus the Motel 6 in Crystal City.

Tom Lathrop
04-06-2018, 01:32 PM
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In NJ if someone tells you to go fk yerself, that means have a nice day.

Outside of NJ if someone tells you, have a nice day, that really means, go fk yerself..

Just a observation.

Someone needs to switch off the A/D converter that bobbys has in his hearing aid. The ones and zeros keep getting mixed up.

SKIP KILPATRICK
04-06-2018, 01:32 PM
Trump International DC has a discount rate of $420 a night.
How many of those "hundreds of evangelicals" will stay there versus the Motel 6 in Crystal City.

They won't care about $420 a night, the parishioners will be flipping the bill!

Figment
04-06-2018, 01:43 PM
They won't care about $420 a night, the parishioners will be flipping the bill!

These guys are not paying the discount rate.
That rate only applies when Trump is at mar-a-lago.

When Trump is in town it's tripled, and the "conference room fee" is probably $50k.

"this is probably the best deal in DC", the guy on the phone said so, and he works for Trump Hotel, so....

They can vote for democrats if they like.... or they can go to church instead of the ballot box on election day.

Garret
04-06-2018, 01:53 PM
Trump International DC has a discount rate of $420 a night.
How many of those "hundreds of evangelicals" will stay there versus the Motel 6 in Crystal City.

If parishioners, they be @ Motel6. If the preachers, well duh - money is no object!

Keith Wilson
04-06-2018, 02:56 PM
Not what you might think from the headlines. Mr Trump's misbehavior concerns them only in that it might cause them to lose votes. (Source here (https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/04/06/no-christian-leaders-will-not-confront-trump-on-his-infidelity/)) It's kind of astounding, but evangelical leaders have entirely put aside any concerns they might have about Mr Trump personally. He's a route to power; that's all that matters.


No, Christian Leaders Will Not Confront Trump on His Infidelity
by Martin Longman

NPR has a truly bizarre story today that I find hard to understand. The basic idea seems to be that a lot of conservative Christian leaders are genuinely concerned about the news that Donald Trump isn’t a faithful husband. And, as a result, they seem to have finagled a meeting with the president in which they hope to confront him about his immoral behavior. If you use some common sense and read a little closer, you’ll realize that this doesn’t make a lot of sense.

While some of the more sordid details of Trump’s extramarital trysts and affairs have come to light since the election, the fact that he’s a legendary philanderer who has been plausibly accused of sexual assault by more than a dozen women was evident to everyone by election day in 2016. Christian conservatives could not have cared any less if they tried. Does it really change things that we now know that Trump slept with Playboy bunnies and porn actresses and then paid for their silence? I simply don’t believe that the details have changed anything on the moral plane, but I guess theoretically they could depress turnout. That’s what these evangelicals seem to think, anyway:

" The meeting is part of an effort to rally and reassure conservative voters, especially white evangelicals who fueled Trump’s run to the White House, ahead of this year’s midterms . . .The June meeting will be a chance for evangelical leaders to seek reassurance from Trump, and to talk about how to mobilize conservatives around other issues this fall, a source said. “Let’s reconvene,” the source said, “and let’s see what we can do to encourage enthusiasm — beyond Trump, so to speak.”"

You’ll notice that the meeting is not scheduled until June, so there’s not a huge sense of urgency. You’ll also notice that it’s not all about confronting Trump. It looks more like a simply political strategizing exercise.

“It is a concern of ours that 2018 could be very detrimental to some of the other issues that we hold dear,” like preserving religious liberty and restricting abortion rights, the source noted. The source, like the others with knowledge of the event, spoke to NPR on the condition of anonymity so as to not jeopardize the meeting."

If the parts I’ve cited were the main focus of the piece, it would make sense to me. Conservative Christians are freaking out that they might lose power in Congress and they want to give some advice to Trump so they can coordinate their defense. It’s not about Trump’s morality at all. But that’s not what we’re supposed to take away from the article.

"As allegations continue to swirl about the president and a payout to a porn star to cover up a sexual encounter, evangelical leaders are organizing a sit-down with President Trump in June, four sources with knowledge of the planned meeting tell NPR. “We’re very concerned” about the allegations, said a leader of a faith-based ministry… …Trump has been invited to take questions from the evangelical leaders for roughly 90 minutes during the meeting. It’s not clear whether the allegations from Daniels — or another woman who alleges she had an affair with Trump, former Playboy model Karen McDougal — are likely to come up while the president is on stage in a more open session. But a source said the president is likely to be asked about the women during private discussions in at least a “sidebar conversation.” The ministry leader said Trump’s tone and personal life remain a concern for many evangelicals. “There’s things that are like fingernails on the chalkboard to people of faith. That’s not who we are; that’s not a ‘fruit of the Spirit’; that’s not leading with humility,” the source said, referencing a passage in the New Testament book of Galatians that describes the character traits Christians exhibit."

Near the end of the article, we finally get someone close to the administration to go on the record, and what he says completely negates the premise that evangelicals want to confront the president.

"Johnnie Moore, an informal evangelical adviser to Trump, downplayed the discussions, calling them “entirely conceptual” at this stage. Moore described himself as an “observer” rather than an organizer but did say conversations are underway about a potential gathering of hundreds of evangelicals in Washington, D.C., in the coming months. There is a very active discussion about the desire of evangelical leaders to get together again, principally to discuss policy issues going into 2018. And it has nothing to do with any questions about the past life of our president.”

I am going to just chalk this up to a very bad take on what appears to be a plan to have a huge summer convention of evangelical leaders in Washington, D.C. where the president is tentatively scheduled to appear and answer questions, some of which will be open to the public. They will try to rally their flocks to vote for congressional Republicans, which is no surprise, and that’s pretty much the totality of the story.

Since Trump is a generally bad role model for Christians seeking to avoid hypocrisy and a life of sin, they may try to write him out of the script:

"In addition to meeting with Trump, participants also plan to spend several hours discussing priorities and strategy for the midterms, which could include inserting reminders in church bulletins to head to the polls on Election Day. Another source with knowledge of the plans for the event tells NPR that the gathering will encourage pastors and other leaders to frame voting as a Christian’s “civic duty,” rather than urging churchgoers to support a particular political party."

They know if their parishioners go to the polls, they’ll vote for the Republicans, so if they can’t make any better arguments they’ll just say that Christians have a moral obligation to participate in the political process.

But they know what motivated their people to vote for Trump and it wasn’t a sense of civic duty. It was Trump’s promise to fight to keep America as white as possible and his willingness to insult people that they wanted to see insulted. So, in June, when these “leaders” are spending “several hours discussing priorities and strategy for the midterms,” I’m pretty sure we’ll see a much more cynical take about how to preserve their power. It won’t be about the “fruit of the Spirit,” but it will be about Sharia Law and sinister Honduran caravans of rapists.

So it goes.

The meeting will be held at Trump’s D.C. hotel because these evangelicals do not care about conflicts of interest, the appearance of impropriety or even a minimal standard of ethics. Such considerations never even enter their heads.

"…it also could raise questions about the ethics of holding such events, organized through the White House, at Trump’s hotel just a few blocks from the White House. That prospect did not seem to concern the evangelical leaders involved with booking the event. “That doesn’t even cross our mind,” said one person with knowledge of the planning, adding that the hotel was chosen because “this is probably the best deal in D.C.”"

So that goes, as well.

John of Phoenix
04-06-2018, 03:16 PM
They will try to rally their flocks to vote for congressional Republicans, which is no surprise, and that’s pretty much the totality of the story.

Which means those congressional reds will have to distance themselves from two scoops to garner the reluctant voters.

I'd say something about reds and evangelicals and hypocrisy but it would just be redundant.

Ralphie Boy
04-06-2018, 04:14 PM
The article in the OP mentions that "Leading with humility...." is supposed to be a Christian trait.

This couldn't be more antithetical to Trump's style. Wonder how many abortions he's responsible for?

Ralphie

Lew Barrett
04-06-2018, 05:12 PM
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In NJ if someone tells you to go fk yerself, that means have a nice day.

Outside of NJ if someone tells you, have a nice day, that really means, go fk yerself..

Just a observation.

I've never observed that perhaps because I can't recall anybody saying GFY to my face. Which makes me curious. What did you do after they told you to GFY?

skuthorp
04-06-2018, 11:49 PM
It all depends on context and culture Lew. After all shooting school kids in the good ol' USA is considered acceptable by some………………...

James McMullen
04-07-2018, 06:18 AM
Im outside of NJ, and if I ever somehow found myself in the same room with bobbys, Id be sure to give him a hearty,Have a nice day. Bless his heart.

Tom Lathrop
04-07-2018, 08:21 AM
A friend, now gone, when confronted with the ubiquitous plastic "Have a nice day" would look at the person gravely & say "Thank you, but I have other plans". Befuddlement ensued...

This puzzles me. While I also think these plastic sentiments are insincere, consider the alternative. The minimum wage Walmart greater says "welcome to Walmart". Is that better or worse than "what the fu*k are you doing here". When I have on any military stuff and someone says to me "thank you for your service", sometimes I may want to reply "you don't know what the fu*k you're talking about" and ask them to visit a veterans hospital.

These little gestures are almost meaningless but they do tend to keep civilization moving peacefully.

If people who post on the forum spoke directly to each other as they do here anonymously, the murder rate would go sky high.

John of Phoenix
04-07-2018, 08:51 AM
If people who post on the forum spoke directly to each other as they do here anonymously, the murder rate would go sky high. I'm told I have done a marvelous job controlling my killer instincts. I wish others equal success. :)

Garret
04-07-2018, 08:54 AM
This puzzles me. While I also think these plastic sentiments are insincere, consider the alternative. The minimum wage Walmart greater says "welcome to Walmart". Is that better or worse than "what the fu*k are you doing here". When I have on any military stuff and someone says to me "thank you for your service", sometimes I may want to reply "you don't know what the fu*k you're talking about" and ask them to visit a veterans hospital.

These little gestures are almost meaningless but they do tend to keep civilization moving peacefully.

If people who post on the forum spoke directly to each other as they do here anonymously, the murder rate would go sky high.

I should've added that he'd smile afterwards. I agree that civility is important - Heinlein put it best when he said that "courtesy is the lubrication of society".

I think his comment was a reaction to hearing the exact same thing said to numerous people in exactly the same tone - just a wrote phrase without any sort of real interaction. If it'd been accompanied by a smile or a direct look in the eyes, I doubt he'd have said anything more than "thank you - you too".