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CWSmith
02-22-2018, 11:08 AM
He sounds like he's getting scared. I guess he had a bad week.



NRA head lashes out at gun control advocates: 'They hate individual freedom'

Wayne LaPierre, the head of the NRA, broke his silence a week after the Florida school shooting with an unrepentant defence of gun rights and an aggressive attack on political elites who “hate individual freedom”.



You can read more of his horsesh1t if you wish:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nra-head-lashes-out-at-gun-control-advocates-they-hate-individual-freedom/ar-BBJsOAR?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

SKIP KILPATRICK
02-22-2018, 11:13 AM
He looks upset too! Hhhhhmmmmm I wonder why? :d

http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBJsLW2.img?h=437&w=728&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1731&y=690

Dave Gray
02-22-2018, 11:35 AM
He looks upset too! Hhhhhmmmmm I wonder why? :d

http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBJsLW2.img?h=437&w=728&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1731&y=690


As upset as parents of dead children? I don't think so. He looks the same here as in all other pictures I have seen of him - pedantic, didactic, full of the sound and fury.

Paul Pless
02-22-2018, 11:38 AM
As upset as parents of dead children? I don't think so. He looks the same here as in all other pictures I have seen of him - pedantic, didactic, full of the sound and fury.
thinking he's getting ready to blow a giant snot bubble

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 11:39 AM
But, he's speaking to a crowd that laps up everything he spews!

CWSmith
02-22-2018, 11:45 AM
thinking he's getting ready to blow a giant snot bubble

:) Where is your respect? :)

Chris Smith porter maine
02-22-2018, 11:52 AM
I bet he is p*ssed all that money he spent on Trump, and now Trump's talking about bump stocks, tougher background check, raising the minimum age to purchase firearms. He has got to be wondering what he got for all those millions.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 11:52 AM
I bet he is p*ssed all that money he spent on Trump, and now Trump's talking about bump stocks, tougher background check, raising the minimum age to purchase firearms. He has got to be wondering what he got for all those millions.To Trump, talk is cheap!

Garret
02-22-2018, 11:55 AM
Maybe he'll get upset enough to have to quit for health reasons. I'd be good with that.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 11:57 AM
Maybe he'll get upset enough to have to quit for health reasons. I'd be good with that.He'll just be replaced with another NRA mouthpiece!

SKIP KILPATRICK
02-22-2018, 12:02 PM
That woman speaking for the NRA yesterday was awful. She is the one that said the news media loves mass shootings! TWISTED!!!!!

Dave Gray
02-22-2018, 12:03 PM
LaPierre looks dyspeptic.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 12:04 PM
That woman speaking for the NRA yesterday was awful. She is the one that said the news media loves mass shootings! TWISTED!!!!!But, the NRA sends out only the best PR representatives don't you know!;)

Tom Montgomery
02-22-2018, 12:15 PM
He is part of the problem and no part of the solution.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 12:21 PM
Question to DingDong LaPew! Does he need to know the last two mass killers bought their guns legally and until they pulled the trigger, both of them were law abiding gun owners?

Dave Gray
02-22-2018, 12:23 PM
Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. Don't you know it is the fault of the FBI and law enforcement? Having guns in circulation is irrelevant. After all, criminals can buy guns on the black market. Or some such logic.

Garret
02-22-2018, 12:28 PM
Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. Don't you know it is the fault of the FBI and law enforcement? Having guns in circulation is irrelevant. After all, criminals can buy guns on the black market. Or some such logic.

Plus his last name is Cruz. Must be an immigrant. Oh wait - that'd explain Ted too!

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 12:29 PM
Plus his last name is Cruz. Must be an immigrant. Oh wait - that'd explain Ted too!Speaking Ted, Does Canada want him back yet?

Tom Lathrop
02-22-2018, 12:33 PM
Since a mass shooting always starts a new run on buying guns, makes much more sense that the NRA and their sycophants love the mass killing sprees.

ccmanuals
02-22-2018, 12:37 PM
Chris Loesch, husband of the NRA's Dana Loesch, says they had to flee the scene of the CNN town hall fast because it could've gotten "dangerous" for them.

What a load of BS. Look at the videos on this web site.

https://thinkprogress.org/dana-loesch-feels-threatened-by-shooting-survivors-68155ec1acd1/

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 12:42 PM
Chris Loesch, husband of the NRA's Dana Loesch, says they had to flee the scene of the CNN town hall fast because it could've gotten "dangerous" for them.

What a load of BS. Look at the videos on this web site.

https://thinkprogress.org/dana-loesch-feels-threatened-by-shooting-survivors-68155ec1acd1/Weren't they armed?

StevenBauer
02-22-2018, 12:48 PM
I guess I’d be upset, too, if I was complicit in the mass murder of innocent school kids.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 12:57 PM
I guess I’d be upset, too, if I was complicit in the mass murder of innocent school kids.She basically said she, the NRA wasn't! The fault was the FBI and local police.

Nicholas Scheuer
02-22-2018, 01:06 PM
Will the NRA treasury swell because politicians won't take campaign contributions from them any more? Will the NRA force him to resign because his name is a liability?

StevenBauer
02-22-2018, 01:09 PM
$500 million a year. That buys a lot of politicians.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 01:12 PM
Ted Nugent
At the NRA’s 2012 annual conference, the Nuge (http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2011/07/ted-nugent-tiger-dick-san-francisco) announced, “If Barack Obama becomes the next president in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year,” prompting a meeting with the Secret Service (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/ted-nugents-meeting-with-secret-service-unfolds-without-incident/2012/04/19/gIQALXFnTT_blog.html).



Oliver North
“I love speaking out for the NRA in large part because it drives the left a little bit nuts,” says (http://www.nraila.org/media-center/2010/ollinorthcoav2010.aspx) the Iran-Contra conspirator and Call of Dutypitchman (http://kotaku.com/5906866/watch-oliver-north-shill-call-of-duty-black-ops-ii/gallery/1).



Marion Hammer
The former NRA president helped craft and implement Florida’s Stand Your Ground law (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/nra-alec-stand-your-ground), which provided a model for similar self-defense laws in 24 other states.



Karl Malone
“About the only thing I’d rather do than play basketball is hunt,” says the retired NBA player in an recruitment ad (http://pinterest.com/pin/246853623295775134/) for the NRA.



Patricia Clark
A record-holding shooter, Clark has been on the board of directors since 1999 and is currently the head of the NRA’s nominating committee, which helps pick the majority of board members. She lives in Newtown, Connecticut.



Robert K. Brown
The former Special Forces soldier and big-game hunter is the founder and publisher of Soldier of Fortune (http://www.sofmag.com/about), which was sued in the late ’80s for running want ads for mercenaries and guns for hire (http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/14/us/soldier-of-fortune-magazine-is-sued-over-slaying.html).



David Keene
The former NRA president is the former chairman of the American Conservative Union (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/12/cpac-organizer-discloses-embezzlement). In 2003, his son was sentenced to 10 years in prison for firing at another driver during a road rage incident (http://www.wnd.com/2010/12/239505/)

StevenBauer
02-22-2018, 01:19 PM
High School Students Came Prepared to CNN's Gun Debate. Marco Rubio and the NRA Did Not.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a18657418/cnn-gun-debate-town-hall-marco-rubio/

mdh
02-22-2018, 01:26 PM
He’s been advocating for police guards at schools for at least 5 years.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 01:30 PM
I think I smell something that's obviously dead! WOW, it potent!

CWSmith
02-22-2018, 01:34 PM
David Keene
The former NRA president is the former chairman of the American Conservative Union (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2010/12/cpac-organizer-discloses-embezzlement). In 2003, his son was sentenced to 10 years in prison for firing at another driver during a road rage incident (http://www.wnd.com/2010/12/239505/)


Sorry for the reformatting. This one really screams at me. What a great argument against the NRA positions.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 01:35 PM
Sorry for the reformatting. This one really screams at me. What a great argument against the NRA positions.And he's listed as a Board Member of the NRA!

beernd
02-22-2018, 02:59 PM
If individual freedom means the possibility to be shot to pieces while going to school, than this old f@rt hates individual freedom

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 03:03 PM
The 2nd Amendment Trumps the others.

LeeG
02-22-2018, 03:06 PM
“America’s schools are wide open soft targets … Schools must be the most hardened targets in this country."-LaPierre

The language. When your main tool is a gun everything is a target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_hardening

Target hardening, also referred to simply as hardening when made clear by the context, is a term used by police officers, those working in security, and the military referring to the strengthening of the security of a building or installation in order to protect it in the event of attack or reduce the risk of theft.[1][2] It is believed that a "strong, visible defense will deter or delay an attack".[3]

Tom Montgomery
02-22-2018, 03:09 PM
The miserable creature is interested only in defending against attack.

He is actively opposed to measures that might actually prevent attack. And we all know the reasons why.

LeeG
02-22-2018, 03:22 PM
The miserable creature is interested only in defending against attack.

He is actively opposed to measures that might actually prevent attack. And we all know the reasons why.

His mindset is that a school is by definition a target so it must be hardened. THAT is his starting point. Maybe kevlar blankets, solid reinforced doors and walls, remotely closed doors and hallways, that way a shooter can be confined to one space untill all his weapons are discharged. With hardened targets they can be shot at multiple times and still be used again for targeting.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 03:29 PM
His mindset is that a school is by definition a target so it must be hardened. THAT is his starting point. Maybe kevlar blankets, solid reinforced doors and walls, remotely closed doors and hallways, that way a shooter can be confined to one space untill all his weapons are discharged. With hardened targets they can be shot at multiple times and still be used again for targeting.I think Trump should empty all the prisons and make them public schools, think of how much money will be saved not having to retrofit the building!

Jimmy W
02-22-2018, 03:48 PM
There was an armed guard at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida, just as there was last month at Marshall County High School. Neither took down their shooter. In Kentucky, the guard did report the incident.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/20/587368514/kentucky-moves-to-add-guns-to-schools-after-school-shooting

Rich Jones
02-22-2018, 03:50 PM
My utter contempt for this man cannot be adequately expressed without resulting in my banning. Please envision every vile word and phrase you can think of and that is my opinion of this devil-on-earth.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 03:53 PM
My utter contempt for this man cannot be adequately expressed without resulting in my banning. Please envision every vile word and phrase you can think of and that is my opinion of this devil-on-earth.Way ahead of you!

LeeG
02-22-2018, 03:55 PM
There was an armed guard at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida, just as there was last month at Marshall County High School. Neither took down their shooter. In Kentucky, the guard did report the incident.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/20/587368514/kentucky-moves-to-add-guns-to-schools-after-school-shooting

the solution is obvious, more “hardening”

Rich Jones
02-22-2018, 03:56 PM
There was an armed guard at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida, just as there was last month at Marshall County High School. Neither took down their shooter. In Kentucky, the guard did report the incident.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/20/587368514/kentucky-moves-to-add-guns-to-schools-after-school-shooting Yes, but if every teacher, every janitor and every administrator had an AR-15 strapped across their chest all day, I'm sure that there would be nothing but peace and harmony in every school.

Which brings me to another point. The NRA and our idiot president* are suggesting that teachers who already have concealed carry permits be the first line of defense. Has anyone asked them if they want to face down a madman with an automatic bump stock weapon? Would they be fired if an incident happened and they didn't act?

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 03:58 PM
Yes, but if every teacher, every janitor and every administrator had an AR-15 strapped across their chest all day, I'm sure that there would be nothing but peace and harmony in every school.

Which brings me to another point. The NRA and our idiot president* are suggesting that teachers who already have concealed carry permits be the first line of defense. Has anyone asked them if they want to face down a madman with an automatic bump stock weapon? Would they be fired if an incident happened and they didn't act?I doubt it because they would know the answer!

Hugh Conway
02-22-2018, 04:00 PM
He sounds like he's getting scared. I guess he had a bad week.

He's not scared, he's a salesman. He uses fear to sell guns.

CWSmith
02-22-2018, 04:06 PM
I confess I have been thinking that it is time for metal detectors in schools and double-door security, but then I think about a school 30 minutes from here that is distributed into 4 or 5 smaller buildings. There is no way they can afford to make all those buildings secure that way. I don't know how many schools can afford to scan everyone walking into their buildings.

Barry
02-22-2018, 04:14 PM
I love this part:
“Let’s be clear, we are never talking about an armed resistance against the socialist corruption of our government,” he said. “We are always talking about a resistance armed with the United States Constitution and the Bill of Rights.”

It would be humorous, except for the fact that there is no "Socialist" government extant in the US. Just more divisiveness,ignorance and pandering.

John Meachen
02-22-2018, 05:01 PM
He makes a very good living from saying these things.A real job wouldn't pay as well would it?

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 05:06 PM
Wayne LaPierre


Alma mater
Siena College Boston College


Occupation
CEO and Executive Vice President of the NRA, author


Home town
Roanoke, Virginia US


Salary
$972,000

Arizona Bay
02-22-2018, 05:13 PM
I saw the NRA position referred to as; Mutually Assured Massacre... sounds about right.

WTF is wrong with people?

Arizona Bay
02-22-2018, 05:19 PM
Good guys with guns...

https://i.imgur.com/fEsDR89.jpg

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 05:21 PM
Good guys with guns...

https://i.imgur.com/fEsDR89.jpgBrady in the background if I'm not mistaken!

CWSmith
02-22-2018, 05:49 PM
I saw the NRA position referred to as; Mutually Assured Massacre... sounds about right.

WTF is wrong with people?

They are sure that it won't happen to them.

Reynard38
02-22-2018, 05:57 PM
To counter the proposed age restrictions on firearm purchases the NRA is producing a new video for kids.


https://youtu.be/pBf4MyqW550

Tom Montgomery
02-22-2018, 05:58 PM
Consider this fact: There are more firearm retailers in the U.S.A. than there are grocery stores.

Art Haberland
02-22-2018, 06:03 PM
Speaking Ted, Does Canada want him back yet?

I bet they'd pay for us to keep him.

S.V. Airlie
02-22-2018, 06:06 PM
I bet they'd pay for us to keep him.Wouldn't doubt that! More than he's worth too.

CWSmith
02-22-2018, 06:37 PM
Consider this fact: There are more firearm retailers in the U.S.A. than there are grocery stores.

Seriously? I live in a rural state and that doesn't sound right to me.

mariner2k
02-22-2018, 07:07 PM
My utter contempt for this man cannot be adequately expressed without resulting in my banning. Please envision every vile word and phrase you can think of and that is my opinion of this devil-on-earth.

Couldn't have said it better.

Jimmy W
02-23-2018, 12:26 AM
Seriously? I live in a rural state and that doesn't sound right to me.

Probably true since every Walmart, sporting goods store, pawn shop, etc. also sells firearms.

BrianW
02-23-2018, 12:48 AM
To counter the proposed age restrictions on firearm purchases the NRA is producing a new video for kids.


https://youtu.be/pBf4MyqW550

You're a bad man.

BrianW
02-23-2018, 12:57 AM
Thoughts?


https://youtu.be/JLTMkg1RLW0

Jimmy W
02-23-2018, 02:14 AM
On 15 February 2017, the United States Senate backed a joint resolution already passed by the House of Representatives that aimed to block an Obama administration rule that sought to limit the sale of guns to some groups of mentally disabled individuals. According to the Associated Press:

Congress on Wednesday sent President Donald Trump legislation blocking an Obama-era rule designed to keep guns out of the hands of certain mentally disabled people.

On a vote of 57-43, the Senate backed the resolution, just one of several early steps by the Republican-led Congress to undo regulations implemented by former President Barack Obama. The House had passed the measure earlier this year. The White House has signaled Trump will sign the legislation.

This rule, finalized on 19 December 2016 in the final days of the Obama presidency, used the implementation of the National Instant Criminal Background Check Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 to require the Social Security Administration to report to the Attorney General individuals receiving certain kinds of Social Security mental health disability benefits so that this information could be used in firearm background checks:

BrianW
02-23-2018, 03:17 AM
This rule, finalized on 19 December 2016 in the final days of the Obama presidency, used the implementation of the National Instant Criminal Background Check Improvement Amendments Act of 2007 to require the Social Security Administration to report to the Attorney General individuals receiving certain kinds of Social Security mental health disability benefits so that this information could be used in firearm background checks:

That's an interesting case. A Google search revealed this quote from the SSA, but it is from a conservative website...


On pages 19 of the SSA’s 41-page overview of the gun ban (https://www.ssa.gov/regulations/NPRM--Implementation%20of%20the%20NICS%20Improvement%20A mendments%20Act%20of%202007%20%28NIAA%29.PDF), we read:
Under our representative payee policy, unless direct payment is prohibited, we presume that an adult beneficiary is capable of managing or directing the management of benefits. However, if we have information that the beneficiary has a mental or physical impairment that prevents him or her from managing or directing the management of benefits, we will develop the issue of capability. If a beneficiary has a mental impairment, we will develop the capability issue if there is an indication that the beneficiary may lack the ability to reason properly, is disoriented, has seriously impaired judgment, or is unable to communicate with others.
Once the beneficiary has the SSA’s attention–by having someone help with finances–the process of determining mental health status begins, becoming incrementally intrusive. And if a ruling of mental illness sufficient to meet the reporting threshold is handed down, then the beneficiary will be reported to NICS and prohibited from purchasing firearms.

The quote seems valid though.

I'm of the opinion that the sort of mental issues which preclude gun ownership should come from sources other than those that threaten the financial well-being of the individual. I wouldn't preclude it entirely, but honestly we're not having an issue with old people with 'CRS' shooting up our schools.

We need mental health reporting from the age groups more prone to committing these acts.

john l
02-23-2018, 03:21 AM
The NRA should put some of their cash to lobbying congress and individual states to do pass the enforcement procedures LaPierre speaks of. They're going to have to do it to retain any relevance - NRA credibility is evaporating, even by former/current NRA members. LaPierre may need to be replaced too - be's just not believable!

BrianW
02-23-2018, 03:29 AM
The NRA should put some of their cash to lobbying congress and individual states to do pass the enforcement procedures LaPierre speaks of. They're going to have to do it to retain any relevance - NRA credibility is evaporating, even by former/current NRA members. LaPierre may need to be replaced too - be's just not believable!

They could, I'm not sure that they don't. Do you know? They do have a lot of safety programs, more so that any other group I'm aware of now.

Perhaps the gun control groups could do the same? Perhaps... except it doesn't help their cause of removing guns from the public. Those who want to reduce the violence committed by mentally ill gun owners would support this cause, but those who just want to get rid of guns... not so much.

Peerie Maa
02-23-2018, 06:05 AM
They could, I'm not sure that they don't. Do you know? They do have a lot of safety programs, more so that any other group I'm aware of now.

Perhaps the gun control groups could do the same? Perhaps... except it doesn't help their cause of removing guns from the public. Those who want to reduce the violence committed by mentally ill gun owners would support this cause, but those who just want to get rid of guns... not so much.

There is it again: mental illness!
The USA must be a nation of nutters if you compare their rate of avoidable deaths with other similar countries.
All of those deaths by gun; discussion with PhilY uncovered the stat that you kill at twice the rate that we do on the roads. Is there any one in the US who is free of mental health issues?

Stupid argument.

PeterSibley
02-23-2018, 06:14 AM
“America’s schools are wide open soft targets … Schools must be the most hardened targets in this country."-LaPierre

The language. When your main tool is a gun everything is a target.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Target_hardening

Target hardening, also referred to simply as hardening when made clear by the context, is a term used by police officers, those working in security, and the military referring to the strengthening of the security of a building or installation in order to protect it in the event of attack or reduce the risk of theft.[1][2] It is believed that a "strong, visible defense will deter or delay an attack".[3]

I can see the defensive ring of anti personnel landmines creating a problem around schools, but the kids would learn new skills.

Paul Pless
02-23-2018, 07:00 AM
I reckon eight bore ought to do it.

Tom Wilkinson
02-23-2018, 07:35 AM
Well, MY KID HAS TO STAY HOME FROM SCHOOL TODAY DUE TO SOMEONE THREATENING TO SHOOT IT UP!!

Actually the school gave the option, but what the hell do you do???? I'm furious. I hate the idea of giving in to the fear. I don't even know what to say. This is complete BULL****!!

TomF
02-23-2018, 07:37 AM
I can see the defensive ring of anti personnel landmines creating a problem around schools, but the kids would learn new skills.

Would certainly add spice to football games.

CWSmith
02-23-2018, 10:29 AM
Maybe this is why he is unhappy?



NRA backlash: Major bank and car-rental giant are ending partnerships

Companies may be starting to rethink their ties to the National Rifle Association in the wake of last week’s massacre at a Florida high school, with a major bank and car-rental giant announcing Thursday they were dropping partnership programs with the NRA.

First National Bank of Omaha, the nation’s largest privately owned bank, said Thursday it will not renew its contract with the NRA for a branded Visa card.

“Customer feedback has caused us to review our relationship with the NRA,” a bank spokesman said in a statement. “As a result, First National Bank of Omaha will not renew its contract with the National Rifle Association to issue the NRA Visa Card,”

The bank had a relationship with the NRA for more than a decade, and the card touted a $40 cash-back bonus, enough to reimburse a one-year NRA membership.

Later Thursday, privately held Enterprise Holdings Inc. — the parent company of the Enterprise, Alamo and National car rental brands — said it will end its partnership with the NRA, which gave NRA members discounts. In tweets, Enterprise Holdings said that program will end next month.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/nra-backlash-major-bank-and-car-rental-giant-are-ending-partnerships/ar-BBJtRte?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

Lew Barrett
02-23-2018, 12:19 PM
Thoughts?


https://youtu.be/JLTMkg1RLW0

"No one gets ratings by telling the truth." :42. This 'truth' fits him as he juggles the statistics. How convenient is it to leave out all those mass shooters who were never judged "mentally incompetent." And now we have to establish just what THAT means? The NRA doesn't get that there is no single line you cross to determine if you're fit or unfit to own a firearm. Of course, everybody's for an improved health program. Here's a thought: mental and physical health are not divorced from each other. They are part of the same package. We need a wholistic approach to health but you can be certain that the funds to do that have not been assigned by Congress and never will be under the current leadership. A red herring if ever there was one.

S.V. Airlie
02-23-2018, 12:31 PM
LaPew is PO'd that he doesn't have any kids to carry on his legacy! Reason, all her could shoot were blanks.