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ishmael
01-31-2018, 08:12 AM
I've admired this fellow since I first heard him. Stan Rogers was a great talent who passed too young.

Something about this song, with his rich baritone voice and its simple instrumentals, is so evocative of fishing along the coast both here in Maine and in the Canadian Maritimes. Long, inter-generational, struggles and traditions captured in this lament.

https://youtu.be/uXDSGJky4qk

Got any good fishing songs, or chanty songs, to share?

Peerie Maa
01-31-2018, 08:17 AM
From the last barge skipper to move cargo without an engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak4cSiTOq9k

Peerie Maa
01-31-2018, 08:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhIPW2KDkVg&index=4&list=RDAk4cSiTOq9k

Peerie Maa
01-31-2018, 08:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zs-Zr95aw8&list=RDAk4cSiTOq9k&index=19

Flying Orca
01-31-2018, 08:20 AM
Well, kinda. Stan came from Maritime stock, and loved going back east to visit his extended family, but he grew up in southern Ontario and was as much a product of the Great Folk Music Scare and the 60s pop explosion as anything else, I think. A great writer, but what really set him apart as a talent was his ability to glean the essentials of a life from a quick conversation and then capture them in a song. His brother Garnet says Stan was always talking to people, and if you look at albums like Northwest Passage or From Fresh Water, you can see how he turned those searching conversations into fodder for his songwriting, creating works that spoke to people whose lives and backgrounds were very different from his.

I saw him perform not long before he died, but I wish I'd had the chance to know him, as I know his brother and son. He's been a huge influence on my own musical journey.

(ETA - if you want equally lovely songs by a real authentic waterman with a similar albeit lower voice, Gordon Bok's your man...)

Peerie Maa
01-31-2018, 08:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwtTh7K4PFw

Keith Wilson
01-31-2018, 08:29 AM
One of the things I've been doing lately is singing in pubs; I did The Jeannie C. a couple of months ago. (Second and fourth Mondays, Dubliner in St. Paul and Merlin's Rest in Minneapolis respectively, and there's a standing invitation if any of you ever get out this way; lots of examples here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrpLo51sgP1lElbHjS0viaw).)

Old songs are usually about dead fishermen, modern ones about bankrupt fishermen. That's an improvement, I think. Here's one of the many songs about the collapse of the North Atlantic cod fishery:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6dJgmof0E

ishmael
01-31-2018, 08:36 AM
Orca,

Yes, Bok is another true gift!

I didn't mean to suggest Rogers was a fisherman, only that he was a fine poet/balladeer. His material ranges all over the map from the oil fields and ranches of wester-ish Canada to the Great Lakes. Don't know how much direct experience he had of any of it, but his work catches them well.

Interesting that you know the family.

Bruce Taylor
01-31-2018, 09:02 AM
Gotta post this, obviously. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ov81aogaxg

(I kind of prefer the Tommy Makem/Clancy Brothers version, but the original is saltier ;))

Peerie Maa
01-31-2018, 09:17 AM
Gotta post this, obviously. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ov81aogaxg

(I kind of prefer the Tommy Makem/Clancy Brothers version, but the original is saltier ;))

Fake News. Not original, MacColl wrote it for a TV documentary.

Damned good song though.

Bruce Taylor
01-31-2018, 09:28 AM
Fake News. Not original, MacColl wrote it for a TV documentary.

Damned good song though.

By "original" I just meant the version by MacColl (who wrote the tune), rather than the one by Tommy Makem/Clancy Brothers (which I grew up with, and like better...love that banjo :D).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2h2a4tSfjA

Peerie Maa
01-31-2018, 09:31 AM
By "original" I just meant the version by MacColl (who wrote the tune), rather than the one by Tommy Makem/Clancy Brothers (which I grew up with, and like better...love that banjo :D).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2h2a4tSfjA

No wuccas, I was having a go at those folkies who think it is original original, rather than being written for t' telly.

downthecreek
01-31-2018, 10:01 AM
I've admired this fellow since I first heard him. Stan Rogers was a great talent who passed too young.


No wonder! Great voice, great performance, great song. Y>

moTthediesel
01-31-2018, 10:13 AM
This thread has to include Gordon Bok, and this is a good one: "Never jibe her when it's blowin!" Always good advice....


https://youtu.be/Y28Z5ctsWt8

Keith Wilson
01-31-2018, 12:54 PM
Another one from Gordon Bok. Like The Shoals of Herring, not a fisherman's song but a song about fishermen:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSAjEm8EiWQ

Flying Orca
01-31-2018, 12:58 PM
Don't know how much direct experience he had of any of it, but his work catches them well.

Yeah, that was perhaps his greatest gift.


Interesting that you know the family.

I've been lucky - Oystagirl's been a huge fan and good friend of Garnet's for many years, so I've gotten to know him in the context of being her sidekick. Stan's son Nathan has been based in Winnipeg for many years, and the traditional/folk scene here is pretty small, so we know him in that context as well as through Garnet.

cathouse willy
01-31-2018, 01:09 PM
Another from Stan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjDr1UFp44Y

cathouse willy
01-31-2018, 01:11 PM
And one more, His best song IMO.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Ufe0jF-AE

CWSmith
01-31-2018, 01:26 PM
I hear Stan's music and I'm back in the early 1980s when I first heard him. I'm living in New Hampshire where every house has a wood stove, the TV is awful, and people gather on cold winter nights to enjoy one another. That's where I first heard him - in a small room by a wood stove. I go there every time I hear anything from Fogarty's Cove.

robm
01-31-2018, 02:23 PM
his ability to glean the essentials of a life from a quick conversation and then capture them in a song

He got the feeling right, but missed on so many of the details. "Make and Break Harbour" demonstrates this perfectly. For crying out loud, a Cape Islander tacking to windward? In a fair breeze, which, by definition, should be coming from abaft the beam? But isn't, because he is sailing towards land in a breeze off the land. (That bit he got right.) But I still love the song, and all the rest on that album, and most of everything else he ever sang.

Flying Orca
01-31-2018, 02:31 PM
He got the feeling right, but missed on so many of the details. "Make and Break Harbour" demonstrates this perfectly. For crying out loud, a Cape Islander tacking to windward? In a fair breeze, which, by definition, should be coming from abaft the beam? But isn't, because he is sailing towards land in a breeze off the land. (That bit he got right.) But I still love the song, and all the rest on that album, and most of everything else he ever sang.

Yeah, he wasn't really a sailor, I don't think. But out of curiousity, why "towards land"? The "western air" thing? Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, but if you look at the area he wrote about - Fogarty's Cove, Canso, like that - a breeze out of the west could take you home quite nicely. Some maps here. (Also a funny note about the song "Fogarty's Cove", which definitely makes no geographical sense.)

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/music/fogartys-cove-maritime-legend-hard-reality-and-a-quarry-that-could-change-itall/article29641074/

On a mostly unrelated note, it still tickles me that one of Nathan's occasional band names is "the Light Westernaires". :D

robm
01-31-2018, 02:56 PM
I was thinking generic East Coast - sundown over the land, heading west in a land breeze. If you were fishing east of Canso, this is what could happen. And perhaps the breeze would be a standard pressure wind, not one generated by temperature differentials between land and sea. But the tacking part still isn't going to happen, unless Michael can tell us different? A Cape Islander running a make and break engine might be old enough, and close enough to the original sailing vessels that were adapted to power, to get to windward. But I doubt it, those little sails are steadying sails, and might be of some use downwind if you weren't in hurry.

timfish
02-01-2018, 07:46 AM
https://youtu.be/SMKNL94jlkg
Here's one on the state of the Fisheries

timfish
02-01-2018, 07:49 AM
https://youtu.be/0T6gy8OPbjs
I play this one during heavy weather.

timfish
02-01-2018, 07:52 AM
https://youtu.be/-XmXAr1Pjlk
One more then I have to get to work putting in a new deck on my brothers lobsterboat

TomF
02-01-2018, 07:55 AM
One of the things I've been doing lately is singing in pubs; I did The Jeannie C. a couple of months ago. (Second and fourth Mondays, Dubliner in St. Paul and Merlin's Rest in Minneapolis respectively, and there's a standing invitation if any of you ever get out this way; lots of examples here (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrpLo51sgP1lElbHjS0viaw).)

Old songs are usually about dead fishermen, modern ones about bankrupt fishermen. That's an improvement, I think. Here's one of the many songs about the collapse of the North Atlantic cod fishery:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6dJgmof0EI heard that song first here. It still makes me tear up.

ishmael
02-01-2018, 08:07 AM
I imagine someone engaged in the trades he often sings of would find many discrepancies. Poetic license! Or, as Twain once remarked, "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story". ;)

One comes to mind from "White Squall". I've never been aboard a Laker, but don't imagine the deck hands are 'on a line' at all times, as the song suggests.

https://youtu.be/uQ4ddAgykfk

Peerie Maa
02-01-2018, 08:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmE87g9li5c

ishmael
02-01-2018, 08:21 AM
On the topic of songs coming to you or of playing them in certain circumstances, here's a good story about a Rogers' song.

https://youtu.be/fT-aEcPgkuA

Another favorite! Life's at times seeming desperate endings, and then resurrections. Hm, I think I've heard that theme somewhere before. ;)

Flying Orca
02-01-2018, 08:22 AM
I heard that song first here. It still makes me tear up.

First time I heard it live was at the Birmingham (UK) Folk Club, and I bawled my eyes out. Their farewell shows a couple of years ago brought a few hankies out, too.

ishmael
02-01-2018, 08:44 AM
Another favorite. Non-nautical.

https://youtu.be/bQSEn-SZzpM

Boater14
02-01-2018, 07:59 PM
PETER KAGAN AND THE WIND. it’ll send a chill down your spine.

Flying Orca
02-01-2018, 08:27 PM
And "Jeremy Brown and Jeannie Teal", which will amuse and delight you.

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
02-03-2018, 05:24 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQC2_NJj2iA

Domesticated_Mr. Know It All
02-03-2018, 05:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T2hygHu8CI

moTthediesel
02-03-2018, 08:27 AM
And now, for something completely different (but thread compliant!) I give you "Fish On" by Primus.


https://youtu.be/wPGIRhEDaDY