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skuthorp
08-29-2017, 03:46 PM
After Donald's over the top bellicose remarks, and subsequent fizzle Kimmy has called his bluff and undermined the US's guarantees to defend Japan and SK. Unreliable now, would the US retaliate against NK if say it actually fired on the South? US strategic guarantees underpin it's alliances and power in the region, are they actually what they are supposed to be?
So now what? The situation is ripe for a miscalculation.

Is present US 'leadership' up to the situation? Is the State Department still capable?

Is the whole network of alliances redundant?

SKIP KILPATRICK
08-29-2017, 03:51 PM
Sorry, the State Department is still closed for renovations!

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skaraborgcraft
08-29-2017, 04:03 PM
Well, lets see, current operations in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen and Libya.....the lack of money has not stopped your government so far..... maybe the brewing civil war in the US is finally coming to a head when people see the state of your own country and the tax revenue being wasted overseas......you have a right to be pi**ed!

Phil Y
08-29-2017, 05:34 PM
Pine Gap

skuthorp
08-29-2017, 07:07 PM
If anything big started anywhere Pine Gap would be targeted in the fist salvo.

PeterSibley
08-29-2017, 07:15 PM
https://static.businessinsider.com/image/5637bb81bd86ef20008c6953-1200/image.jpg

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/north-korea-ballistic-missile-range-2015-11?r=US&IR=T

doorstop
08-30-2017, 05:13 AM
I don't think Alice Springs would be a healthy holiday spot...

Darwin might a hotspot and Tindal might be a real hole!

skuthorp
08-30-2017, 05:33 AM
The time to do anything about NK was at the latest 25 years ago. We didn't.

In the early 1930's it was time to do something about Germany. They didn't.

That said I doubt China or Russia want a nuke war. So if he got really dangerous we might find a vwery strange alliance indeed.
Of course picking the moment is fraught with danger. It might require someone to take a hit, a nuke hit, and not hit back in similar fashion.

Reynard38
08-30-2017, 08:10 AM
https://static.businessinsider.com/image/5637bb81bd86ef20008c6953-1200/image.jpg

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/north-korea-ballistic-missile-range-2015-11?r=US&IR=T

Got room at the dock and a spare bedroom once the house is built. :)

birlinn
08-30-2017, 09:53 AM
I don't think the US would call a missile No Dong 1!

Flying Orca
08-30-2017, 09:56 AM
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skuthorp
08-30-2017, 05:50 PM
One of the consequences of Donald's scattergun thought processes and frankly unreliability in policy terms is that the countries with 'iron clad' alliances with the US, in this case SK and Japan, will be doubting that guarantee. So will NK.
Maybe Aus. by virtue of Pine Gap, will do better as long as that US base still exists.

CWSmith
08-30-2017, 06:00 PM
@6: So, why don't we hear any concerns from Russia? Is North Korea not crazy enough to drop a missile on them?

skuthorp
08-30-2017, 06:06 PM
Russia is not any sort of a democracy, and used to sacrifice. 8 million in WW2. Russia would absorb a hit and obliterate both Koreas if necessary. The US? Not any where near the resilence or resolve if you ask me.

SKIP KILPATRICK
08-30-2017, 06:15 PM
I hope we never get to the point where we are resolved enough to accept 8 million dead!

what a strange concept!

CWSmith
08-30-2017, 06:15 PM
Russia is not any sort of a democracy, and used to sacrifice. 8 million in WW2. Russia would absorb a hit and obliterate both Koreas if necessary. The US? Not any where near the resilence or resolve if you ask me.

I rather suspect the bold part is the core truth.

Chris Smith porter maine
08-30-2017, 06:34 PM
Russia is not any sort of a democracy, and used to sacrifice. 8 million in WW2. Russia would absorb a hit and obliterate both Koreas if necessary. The US? Not any where near the resilence or resolve if you ask me.

I think we did quite well after Pearl harbor, we fought for our country, according to some here Russia saved yours., I wonder if there was no Japanese attack on us if your kids might not be speaking English.

skuthorp
08-30-2017, 07:24 PM
I think we speak about 40 languages here as it is, and it's the Chinese in ascendancy now.

Re Pearl, the US blockade on oil imports (that sound familiar?) forced the Japanese to attempt the crippling of US naval power in the Pacific. And if the carriers had been in port it may have worked for a time.

peb
08-30-2017, 08:44 PM
The time to do anything about NK was at the latest 25 years ago. We didn't.

In the early 1930's it was time to do something about Germany. They didn't.

That said I doubt China or Russia want a nuke war. So if he got really dangerous we might find a vwery strange alliance indeed.
Of course picking the moment is fraught with danger. It might require someone to take a hit, a nuke hit, and not hit back in similar fashion.
Yeah, 25 years ago, that's when Jimmy Carter backed Clnton into a deal that should have never been made. You need of Carter's worse moments as ex-president.

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