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JimD
08-28-2017, 03:23 PM
Hamilton Ontario mayor Fred Eisenberger had this to say to after Trump suggests terminating NAFTA:


"The only thing that needs to be terminated is your presidency," Eisenberger wrote. "Save yourself and your country. Resign and you will be popular everywhere." http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/trump-eisenberger-1.4264365

Still, I'm not so sure that was the correct thing to say. I doubt if Trump could ever be popular everywhere.

TomF
08-28-2017, 03:25 PM
Trump has never liked the cast of characters from Hamilton.

S.V. Airlie
08-28-2017, 03:28 PM
Trump has never liked the cast of characters from Hamilton.Other than himself and his spawn who does he like?

TomF
08-28-2017, 03:30 PM
Beauty pageant contestants?

genglandoh
08-28-2017, 03:40 PM
Hamilton is one of the worst most discussing polluted places on the earth.
The Mayor should spend a little more time about the health of people living in city.
I suspect the Mayor is in the pocket of big steel.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/citizen-scientists-to-map-pollution-and-where-more-trees-are-needed-1.3469710


https://i.cbc.ca/1.2902011.1456783502!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/improving-hamilton-s-air-quality-by-planting-trees.jpg

S.V. Airlie
08-28-2017, 03:49 PM
Hamilton is one of the worst most discussing polluted places on the earth.
The Mayor should spend a little more time about the health of people living in city.
I suspect the Mayor is in the pocket of big steel.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/citizen-scientists-to-map-pollution-and-where-more-trees-are-needed-1.3469710


https://i.cbc.ca/1.2902011.1456783502!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/improving-hamilton-s-air-quality-by-planting-trees.jpgWhere do you think Trump is? Oh wait, he only has one hand in his pocket and the other out building up our factories to do a little polluting like the coal factories. Hamilton will look exactly like the cities in the US geng.

JimD
08-28-2017, 03:51 PM
Hamilton is one of the worst most discussing polluted places on the earth.
The Mayor should spend a little more time about the health of people living in city.
I suspect the Mayor is in the pocket of big steel.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/citizen-scientists-to-map-pollution-and-where-more-trees-are-needed-1.3469710


https://i.cbc.ca/1.2902011.1456783502!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/improving-hamilton-s-air-quality-by-planting-trees.jpgCertainly not high on my list of vacation destinations, that's for sure. What Hamilton needs is more clean American coal.

genglandoh
08-28-2017, 03:55 PM
Certainly on high on my vacation destinations, that's for sure. What Hamilton needs is more clean American coal.

It is not that the coal that is clean, it is the in the US when you burn coal you trap the polution with wet scrubbers making the burning of the coal clean.
If the industry in Hamilton wants to clean up their envelopment they should invest in the pollution reducing equipment.

JimD
08-28-2017, 03:59 PM
...If the industry in Hamilton wants to clean up their envelopment they should invest in the pollution reducing equipment.I'm all for that.


"Downtown Hamilton has the highest rate of air pollution in the province," said Alice Peter, director of population health and prevention at Cancer Care Ontario. https://www.thespec.com/news-story/6922358-downtown-hamilton-has-worst-air-pollution-in-province-cancer-care-ontario/

Dan McCosh
08-28-2017, 04:08 PM
Hamilton is one of the worst most discussing polluted places on the earth.
The Mayor should spend a little more time about the health of people living in city.
I suspect the Mayor is in the pocket of big steel.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/citizen-scientists-to-map-pollution-and-where-more-trees-are-needed-1.3469710

https://i.cbc.ca/1.2902011.1456783502!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/improving-hamilton-s-air-quality-by-planting-trees.jpg Steam certainly is nasty stuff. A good reason not to make tea in your kitchen.

Chris Smith porter maine
08-28-2017, 06:42 PM
Hamilton is one of the worst most discussing polluted places on the earth.
The Mayor should spend a little more time about the health of people living in city.
I suspect the Mayor is in the pocket of big steel.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/citizen-scientists-to-map-pollution-and-where-more-trees-are-needed-1.3469710


https://i.cbc.ca/1.2902011.1456783502!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/improving-hamilton-s-air-quality-by-planting-trees.jpg

Pot calling the kettle black

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/15140-ohio-tops-list-toxic-states.html

Canoeyawl
08-28-2017, 06:49 PM
"According to the NRDC, here are the 20 most toxic states, from worst to best:

Ohio
Pennsylvania
Florida
Kentucky
Maryland
Indiana
Michigan
West Virginia
Georgia
North Carolina
South Carolina
Alabama
Texas
Virginia
Tennessee
Missouri
Illinois
Wisconsin
New Hampshire
Iowa

Overall, U.S. power plants emitted 771 million pounds of toxic chemicals in 2009, with the electric sector responsible for 49 percent of all industrial toxic air pollution (https://www.livescience.com/14802-air-pollution-study-deliver-3-results.html) that year, or 382 million pounds. [Top 10 Alternative Energy Bets (https://www.livescience.com/11390-readers-pick-top-10-alternative-energy-bets.html)]
Accounting for 12 percent of U.S. industrial air pollution, Ohio's power plants emitted 44.5 million pounds of harmful chemicals in 2009. For comparison, the 20th ranked state, Iowa, was responsible for just 1 percent of U.S. industrial air pollution, or 2.5 million pounds of harmful chemicals.
The researchers also looked specifically at mercury air pollution, finding Ohio and Pennsylvania also took the top two spots in this measure."

Sky Blue
08-28-2017, 06:56 PM
Canada says it welcomes people and signals virtue on immigration, but the backtracks as soon as a few come across and then they house them in stadiums and tents. They yap about climate, but they can't dig it out of the ground fast enough. They free ride on their "friends" for their international obligations. They pop off about "Canadian values" where there is no national consensus on such things.

A decidedly insecure, narcissistic people, unsure of their standing in the world or the values that make them intrinsically Canadian.

L.A Marche
08-28-2017, 07:24 PM
Not much of that heavy industry left in Hamilton, we were there a few weeks back and it's much cleaner than when I lived there in the 80's. Old photo taken on a very cold day.

Bobcat
08-28-2017, 07:25 PM
Canada says it welcomes people and signals virtue on immigration, but the backtracks as soon as a few come across and then they house them in stadiums and tents. They yap about climate, but they can't dig it out of the ground fast enough. They free ride on their "friends" for their international obligations. They pop off about "Canadian values" where there is no national consensus on such things.

A decidedly insecure, narcissistic people, unsure of their standing in the world or the values that make them intrinsically Canadian.

Aren't you just a little ray of sunshine!

TomF
08-28-2017, 07:29 PM
Canada says it welcomes people and signals virtue on immigration, but the backtracks as soon as a few come across and then they house them in stadiums and tents. They yap about climate, but they can't dig it out of the ground fast enough. They free ride on their "friends" for their international obligations. They pop off about "Canadian values" where there is no national consensus on such things.

A decidedly insecure, narcissistic people, unsure of their standing in the world or the values that make them intrinsically Canadian.Feel free not to visit, SB. And to put me on ignore.

Bobcat
08-28-2017, 07:32 PM
Feel free not to visit, SB. And to put me on ignore.

I am waiting to find out if I am a Canadian citizen---my father was born in BC. I suppose I might be outraged by SB, but I find the comments amusing instead.

TomF
08-28-2017, 07:40 PM
I am waiting to find out if I am a Canadian citizen---my father was born in BC. I suppose I might be outraged by SB, but I find the comments amusing instead.Be nice to welcome you, bobcat. I suspect you've got a good jump on citizenship, and might already have it.

genglandoh
08-28-2017, 07:42 PM
Not much of that heavy industry left in Hamilton, we were there a few weeks back and it's much cleaner than when I lived there in the 80's. Old photo taken on a very cold day.

The news story was dated March 2016 not that old.

2 of the 8 below are in Hamilton.

Title: Feb 2016 - 8 companies that won't have to meet Ontario's new pollution limits
The provincial government will be bringing in strict new pollution standards this summer, but some of Ontario's biggest polluters won't be required to meet them.
Link: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-pollution-emissions-exemptions-1.3432090

Bobcat
08-28-2017, 07:43 PM
Be nice to welcome you, bobcat. I suspect you've got a good jump on citizenship, and might already have it.

That's what my research is suggesting: that I already am a citizen. The odd thing is that my father never was a Canadian citizen. There was no such thing in 1917 when he was born in Canada. He was a British subject living in the Dominion of Canada

Osborne Russell
08-28-2017, 07:51 PM
A decidedly insecure, narcissistic people, unsure of their standing in the world or the values that make them intrinsically Canadian.

They lack the spiritual aspect of nationalism? Or just the egotistical aspect?

Sky Blue
08-28-2017, 08:07 PM
They lack the spiritual aspect of nationalism? Or just the egotistical aspect?

Oh, they're quite nationalistic. Look at TomF's remarks.

TomF
08-28-2017, 08:12 PM
Actually, I love a whole lot about where I live, but I'm hardly a nationalist. I could as happily live in a variety of other places with similar approaches to political life. Scandinavia, probably the Netherlands, Ireland, the UK, NZ, Aus ...

I love Canada's landscapes, but as a kid actually felt more British than anything else ... thanks to books, an interest in history, etc.

leikec
08-28-2017, 08:14 PM
Does clean coal even exist? I'd bet against it.

Jeff C

leikec
08-28-2017, 08:18 PM
Actually, I love a whole lot about where I live, but I'm hardly a nationalist. I could as happily live in a variety of other places with similar approaches to political life. Scandinavia, probably the Netherlands, Ireland, the UK, NZ, Aus ...

I love Canada's landscapes, but as a kid actually felt more British than anything else ... thanks to books, an interest in history, etc.

No need to defend yourself from the troll, Tom. His opinion is worthless.

Jeff C

Sky Blue
08-28-2017, 08:20 PM
TomF's remarks

In considering them further, it interesting how they exemplify the disconnect that lies at the core of modern Canadian identity. To invite someone to not read your content because you didn't like what the first person wrote seems very Canadian, in a way.

TomF
08-28-2017, 08:29 PM
I invite you not to read my stuff because it apparently is unintelligible to you. So yeah, as a decent and compassionate Canadian, I don't want you to do your little head any more damage. Instead, perhaps you would be happier chatting up the gentle and misunderstood volk on Stormfront, or perhaps a Visegrad-based RWW-friendly board.

L.A Marche
08-28-2017, 08:31 PM
Still much cleaner than the 80's.

Sky Blue
08-28-2017, 08:35 PM
I invite you not to read my stuff because it apparently is unintelligible to you. So yeah, as a decent and compassionate Canadian, I don't want you to do your little head any more damage. Instead, perhaps you would be happier chatting up the gentle and misunderstood volk on Stormfront, or perhaps a Visegrad-based RWW-friendly board.

I'm perfectly content right here, TomF. I enjoy reading your content. I would guess that different people interpret my remarks in their own ways. I intended them as humor, mostly, even if they ring true to my observation. I'm not going to avoid your content because you chose to be upset about something I wrote.

TomF
08-28-2017, 08:52 PM
Strangely, very few people I know would understand having a nation dismissed as narcissistic, insecure, hypocritical about the expression of their values etc as mostly "humour." It seems far fetched that you are bewildered why I might be a bit zinged by your zinger. It was your intention, no?

When I say such things about Trump, for instance, I'm not laughing. Perhaps you should use better punctuation, or emoticons, or etc to reduce the likelihood that you would be misunderstood.

Sky Blue
08-28-2017, 08:54 PM
Bobcat said he could have been outraged but decided it was funny. I didn't expect that everyone would have the same response to the remarks. Perhaps they are upsetting to you because you hear a ring of truth in them.

JimD
08-28-2017, 08:55 PM
... the disconnect that lies at the core of modern Canadian identity...I agree the disconnect is real. I think it is real in every state which has a subtle and not so subtle state propaganda system, which is just about all of them, typically beginning with childhood education. But I also think the most successful expression of a national indoctrination system is in the United States. It by no means includes all citizens, but it's hard for an objective person to deny it exists in both our countries.

Steve McMahon
08-28-2017, 08:57 PM
Canada says it welcomes people and signals virtue on immigration, but the backtracks as soon as a few come across and then they house them in stadiums and tents. They yap about climate, but they can't dig it out of the ground fast enough. They free ride on their "friends" for their international obligations. They pop off about "Canadian values" where there is no national consensus on such things.

A decidedly insecure, narcissistic people, unsure of their standing in the world or the values that make them intrinsically Canadian.

Canada says it welcomes people and signals virtue on immigration, but the backtracks as soon as a few come across and then they house them in stadiums and tents.
People fleeing the US across the border aren't "immigrants". Where does the US house people who cross illegally into the country in huge numbers?

They yap about climate, but they can't dig it out of the ground fast enough.
Nope - we buy most of our coal from the US as we phase out coal fired power plants.

They free ride on their "friends" for their international obligations.
Don't believe everything trump tells you.

They pop off about "Canadian values" where there is no national consensus on such things.
You are just pissed that we don't share your values.

A decidedly insecure, narcissistic people, unsure of their standing in the world or the values that make them intrinsically Canadian.
Coming from you, this doesn't hurt even a bit.

TomF
08-28-2017, 08:58 PM
Bobcat said he could have been outraged but decided it was funny. I didn't expect that everyone would have the same response to the remarks. Perhaps they are upsetting to you because you hear a ring of truth in them.
He hasn't taken up his citizenship yet. ;).

Whatever.

Bobcat
08-28-2017, 09:00 PM
I certainly did not take the post for humor. I was amused that a grown man would go to such lengths to attract attention to himself.

Sky Blue
08-28-2017, 09:02 PM
I certainly did not take the post for humor. I was amused that a grown man would go to such lengths to attract attention to himself.

Well, like I said, people choose to feel the way they feel about them. There is plenty of evidence for the remarks.

leikec
08-28-2017, 09:03 PM
He hasn't taken up his citizenship yet. ;).

Whatever.

Once again, This video fits our WBF troll to perfection...


https://youtu.be/6Zxy_dScjsM

Jeff C

mmd
08-28-2017, 11:07 PM
Is Blooie gettin' all het up agin Canadians agin? Blooie! What are ya doin', man? You know this won't end well for ya. We'll all pile on ya, you'll git all worked up, usin' big words an' fancy idears, an' think that you're preachin' from the high bleacher, but we'll all just be laughin' at ya. Give it up, son; yer makin' a fool out of yerself again.

Sky Blue
08-28-2017, 11:12 PM
It's not my fault you blokes aren't sure who you are.

TomF
08-28-2017, 11:18 PM
how would you know, mr/ms anonymous? :D

Captain Intrepid
08-29-2017, 01:09 AM
Hey! Nobody picks on us but us. We're better at it eh?

gypsie
08-29-2017, 01:20 AM
A decidedly insecure, narcissistic people, unsure of their standing in the world or the values that make them intrinsically Canadian.

:d Y:o :d That is very funny. An American calling other people narcissistic - funny funny. :d

Ron Williamson
08-29-2017, 05:11 AM
It's not my fault you blokes aren't sure who you are.

Uh....
Bless yer lil heart....and .... May you live in interesting times.
R

Garret
08-29-2017, 07:05 AM
Bobcat said he could have been outraged but decided it was funny. I didn't expect that everyone would have the same response to the remarks. Perhaps they are upsetting to you because you hear a ring of truth in them.

There's laughing with & laughing at. You might not understand the difference, but what's happening here is the latter.