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Keith Wilson
08-25-2017, 11:30 AM
Not the normal meaning of the word, but there;s definitely a genus I want to eradicate: Scalopus aquaticus, the goddamned f**8ing #*(@^ )(@*$#^ eastern mole!

http://wildlifeofct.com/websiteimages/eastern_mole.jpg

Two years ago there was a tunnel or two next to the woods, last year they were about 20 feet out into the lawn, and this year the unspeakable vermin are everywhere! Now, I'm hardly a fanatic about my lawn; the height of my ambition is that people driving by don't think the lawn is horrible - but Jesus T. Christ, they're digging up the entire damn yard! The cats are useless; plenty of headless baby rabbits and an occasional mouse on the doorstep, but never a mole.

So I'm turning to the WBF source of all wisdom; surely there must be somebody here who knows how to get rid of moles? Or should I just call a professional murderer?

Rum_Pirate
08-25-2017, 11:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rNhegOBokE...

amish rob
08-25-2017, 11:34 AM
Poke them in the eyes. Or see a dermatologist? :)

With the gopher, I trap them and leave the corpse in the tunnel as a warning. It works well. Really.

I know they ain't the same, but does anyone know if this works for moles?

Peace,
Robert

Peerie Maa
08-25-2017, 11:34 AM
Turn the sound up a bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fePU5CIHpas

Norman Bernstein
08-25-2017, 11:35 AM
Hmmm... the wiki on the species is NOT encouraging, for you, Keith.... looks like they're plentiful, and VERY hard to eradicate.

Rum_Pirate
08-25-2017, 11:35 AM
or a Jack Russel


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk6hcsoxTmI

switters
08-25-2017, 11:49 AM
https://youtu.be/by-m-gpOgFU?t=28

go all in or go home

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
08-25-2017, 11:53 AM
Stealth, patience and a garden fork will do the job....

But if you have access to propane


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19G5qkyA3s0



Easy enough to buy mole traps.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/322193180388?chn=ps&dispItem=1&adgroupid=50356161824&rlsatarget=pla-325046491329&abcId=1128936&adtype=pla&merchantid=110770304&poi=&googleloc=9045432&device=c&campaignid=856331929&crdt=0

Peerie Maa
08-25-2017, 11:59 AM
In truth killing them will only make room for more to tunnel in.
How about a two foot trench round the fence line, with galvanised sheet steel stood in it and back filled? Deep enough so that they wont dig under and can't push through.

Peerie Maa
08-25-2017, 12:00 PM
Their pelts make lovely waistcoats. :D

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
08-25-2017, 12:02 PM
I've hear it said that and underground speaker and continuous RADIO ONE (qv) makes an effective deterrent.

Peerie Maa
08-25-2017, 12:07 PM
I've hear it said that and underground speaker and continuous RADIO ONE (qv) makes an effective deterrent.

Play some well chosen C&W and they will throw themselves on the traps :D

Dave Lesser
08-25-2017, 12:10 PM
But if you have access to propane


You don't have to ignite the propane

jack grebe
08-25-2017, 12:14 PM
You don't have to ignite the propane

More fun.......
https://youtu.be/xDEira01c0Q

Jim Mahan
08-25-2017, 12:14 PM
Engineer, mount a campaign.

Remove all mole prey, or food. Apply the scent of mole devouring incontinent predators. Arrange a two stage perimeter. In quadrants, apply the largest tarp you can find. Run a hose from an ICE to under the tarp. Start near the house so their escape will be away, towards the woods, or at least the neighbors. Advance the tarps until you've smoked the entire premises. Stay upwind. Meanwhile, set up an outside perimeter the same way. Then patrol the space between with a harrow and mower or scythe or nine-iron, creating a no-mole zone.

OR, layout female mole pheromones and artificial sweetener. Then, when the subsequent epidemic of obesity strikes the mole population, they will be too fat and too slow and too distracted by celebrity mole gossip to evade the molecidal apparatus of your choice.

OR, get a couple of kegs of Bud, and lay a flood across the whole yard, hide in a blind with a whacker, and then, when they come wobbling out to take a leak, you whack 'em quick-like and put 'em in a sack.

If you do all three solutions in concert, and if you get lucky, you could wind up in high clover with a whole passle of smoked mole and no reason to mow the lawn for a year or two.

Gerarddm
08-25-2017, 12:15 PM
#13: Actually, not a bad idea. Propane is heavier than air, and so would sink to the very lowest of their tunnels. Periodically refreshing the propane charge should prevent reoccurrences, no?

How do the " professional murderers " deal with 'em?

Nicholas Scheuer
08-25-2017, 12:22 PM
We used to have a pair of cats, and very few moles. Our next-door neighbor was overrun (or underrun) with moles, and had no cats.

Peerie Maa
08-25-2017, 12:22 PM
#13: Actually, not a bad idea. Propane is heavier than air, and so would sink to the very lowest of their tunnels. Periodically refreshing the propane charge should prevent reoccurrences, no?

How do the " professional murderers " deal with 'em?

I wonder whether dry ice is cheaper than propane. Also heavier than air, and less risky.

AlanMc
08-25-2017, 12:25 PM
CO2 is also heavier than air. you could just flood those holes and they'll asphyxiate

Chris Smith porter maine
08-25-2017, 12:27 PM
After the ground freezes flood the tunnels might be worth a try.

SKIP KILPATRICK
08-25-2017, 12:31 PM
http://osjar.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/3-Cute-biggest-cats.jpg

Rum_Pirate
08-25-2017, 12:32 PM
Re Rats and Moles:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/91/8e/8a/918e8a89af206d90b7dfe988284dacf6.jpg

Jimmy W
08-25-2017, 12:33 PM
My last dog would dig up half the back yard, if necessary, to get a mole. I have killed rats in tunnels with dry ice placed in the holes.

CWSmith
08-25-2017, 12:45 PM
There is a sonic device that chases them away (reportedly), but I've never tried it.

amish rob
08-25-2017, 12:49 PM
Re Rats and Moles:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/91/8e/8a/918e8a89af206d90b7dfe988284dacf6.jpg

Genius! Build several, little mole sized punts and skiffs.

Peace,
Robert

stromborg
08-25-2017, 12:50 PM
Ditch the lawn and go with an edible yard?
https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=http%3A%2F%2Fimg1.sunset.timeinc.net%2Fs ites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2F4_3_horizontal_i nbody_900x506%2Fpublic%2Fimage%2F2016%2F06%2Fmain% 2Flawn-alternatives-suburban-homestead-plantings-0515.jpg%3Fitok%3D_8ev8fBJ&w=800&q=60
A list of tasty shrubs can be found here:
https://www.extension.umn.edu/garden/yard-garden/fruit/wild-and-edible-fruits-of-minnesota/




(https://www.extension.umn.edu/garden/yard-garden/fruit/wild-and-edible-fruits-of-minnesota/)

TomF
08-25-2017, 12:51 PM
I thought that's pretty much what dachshunds were bred for. Seriously.

John of Phoenix
08-25-2017, 01:00 PM
When I lived in base housing at Ft Ord, some moles showed up. After any number of failed attempts, repellents, smoke bombs and traps, I called the pros at facilities engineers. They dropped some cyanide laced sunflower seeds in the holes and covered them so the birds couldn't get to them. Problem solved in a day.

oznabrag
08-25-2017, 01:05 PM
I thought that's pretty much what dachshunds were bred for. Seriously.

Dachs hund.

Badger dog.

mdh
08-25-2017, 01:07 PM
Eliminating their food will keep them away. Grub worms. Get the lawn spreader out and apply the stuff that says it'll kill grub worms. It'll eventually eliminate the moles and the june bugs.

Reynard38
08-25-2017, 01:08 PM
In truth killing them will only make room for more to tunnel in.
How about a two foot trench round the fence line, with galvanised sheet steel stood in it and back filled? Deep enough so that they wont dig under and can't push through.

I bet Mexico will pay for It! ;)

AlanMc
08-25-2017, 01:11 PM
i saw a show the other day where people were hunting with ferrets. ferrets go in the hole and chase the rabbits out, then you blow them away. i guess that could work with moles

Keith Wilson
08-25-2017, 01:13 PM
Well, I figured this would inspire general hilarity, and you guys rarely disappoint. We have four cats, two of them fairly murderous with other species, but they either can't or won't catch the moles. Removing their food is impossible, they eat earthworms. We have lots of earthworms.



Ditch the lawn and go with an edible yard?Too big; the damn thing's a half an acre. I've been considering getting smaller place ever since the kid moved out, but inertia is a powerful force, and buying/selling is a royal PIA.

I'm considering calling a professional.

Sky Blue
08-25-2017, 01:18 PM
coexist

TomF
08-25-2017, 01:19 PM
...I'm considering calling a professional.(who ya gonna call ...?)

Keith Wilson
08-25-2017, 01:32 PM
I think Minnesota Mole, Inc. (Really :d )

David G
08-25-2017, 01:38 PM
I thought that's pretty much what dachshunds were bred for. Seriously.

I was going to share a story. A friend had the same problem in New Hampshire. He had pretty much ceded the battle to the critters. Then a pair of dachshunds moved in next door... and he never had a problem again. I think he had to do periodic repair work on the lawn though...

David G
08-25-2017, 01:40 PM
Well, I figured this would inspire general hilarity, and you guys rarely disappoint. We have four cats, two of them fairly murderous with other species, but they either can't or won't catch the moles. Removing their food is impossible, they eat earthworms. We have lots of earthworms.


Too big; the damn thing's a half an acre. I've been considering getting smaller place ever since the kid moved out, but inertia is a powerful force, and buying/selling is a royal PIA.

I'm considering calling a professional.

Half an acre's nothing if you combine your raised beds with corn, wheat, and/or... chards <G>

AlanMc
08-25-2017, 01:43 PM
Half an acre's nothing if you combine your raised beds with corn, wheat, and/or... chards <G>



throw some barley in there and a few hop vines. let's make this plantation LIVABLE. :arg

Jim Mahan
08-25-2017, 01:47 PM
There is a sonic device that chases them away (reportedly), but I've never tried it.

We installed some of those in the attic to keep out the rats after trapping and poisoning some. The traps work exactly once. I'm certain that no matter how you try to clean it, after one rodent has died in it, no other rodent will touch regardless of the bait used. So far. The new ones are plastic, as efficient as the wire sprung traps but easier to bait and set and pretty much zero chance of getting your own finger snapped. The rodents become acclimated to the presence of rat bait pellets in trays. And you don't want them to die in the attic anyway.

The ultrasound device has a chip so that it varies the frequency so the rodents can't acclimate. It doesn't do damage to them per se but it is apparently intolerable enough to keep them away indefinitely. The ones in the attic run on AC use just about zero electricity are completely inert for other species, at least higher mammals, like dogs. The limitation is that they are line of sight, walls or even massive furniture will block the coverage. We have a pair in the attic that have been on continuously for at two years. No return of rats. No dreaded dead rat smell. And I discovered that one of my repairs to an opening was compromised, even still they never returned.

I think the sonic device would work in a big yard, perhaps in an array.

I also have a vague memory of a different sort sonic device that hits the ground with super low frequency which inaudible to humans but sounds like a convention of boomboxes to a rodent and drives them off.

Also, try to determine what in your yard is the food they are present for, and use it salt your neighbor's yard...BY:D

Seriously, they are in your yard in the first place because the conditions are better there than wherever they were before; fewer predators, more or better food, more or better access to water or cover, or they like the view.

Excavate a two foot crawl space under your whole target area, fill it with glass blocks to support the ground and structure above. Then run an array of low voltage LEDs to light up all the glass and bury the access.

John of Phoenix
08-25-2017, 01:47 PM
Half an acre's nothing if you combine your raised beds with corn, wheat, and/or... chards <G>I have a swimming pool that I've seriously considered filling in and doing just that. What a PITA.

Keith Wilson
08-25-2017, 02:16 PM
chards Which I don't consider any more edible than moles. Almost as bad as beets.

They're eating earthworms. We have LOTS of earthworms, pretty good soil. I can't get rid of those, and wouldn't want to if I could.

David G
08-25-2017, 02:32 PM
Which I don't consider any more edible than moles. Almost as bad as beets.

They're eating earthworms. We have LOTS of earthworms, pretty good soil. I can't get rid of those, and wouldn't want to if I could.

Sorry... I mean Or...chards.

johnw
08-25-2017, 02:51 PM
Which I don't consider any more edible than moles. Almost as bad as beets.

They're eating earthworms. We have LOTS of earthworms, pretty good soil. I can't get rid of those, and wouldn't want to if I could.

Funny, my cats have always been good at catching moles. Perhaps your area has developed some breed of super mole.

David G
08-25-2017, 02:56 PM
Funny, my cats have always been good at catching moles. Perhaps your area has developed some breed of super mole.

Maybe Keith should just cut back on the cat food for a while...

SKIP KILPATRICK
08-25-2017, 02:58 PM
We had a cat that was a real huntress. We would put her out at night and she would hunt in the farm field next to our house. Every morning she would leave a mouse, a mole, a vole, or a chipmunk carcass on top of my dad's Washington post. He would flick it off the porch when he retrieved the paper. It was my job to properly dispose of the cat's trophy before going to school.

Keith Wilson
08-25-2017, 02:59 PM
Perhaps your area has developed some breed of super mole.More likely lazy well-fed cats. http://www.reduser.net/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Jim Mahan
08-25-2017, 03:20 PM
More likely lazy well-fed cats. http://www.reduser.net/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Or really good earthworms.

Is there anything that would be healthy for the area that would compete with the moles for the worms?

Rum_Pirate
08-25-2017, 03:33 PM
Or really good earthworms.

Is there anything that would be healthy for the area that would compete with the moles for the worms?


Fishermen? :rolleyes:

webishop14
08-25-2017, 06:58 PM
Rummy beat me to it: I was going to suggest that you introduce them to the delights of messing about in boats.

oznabrag
08-25-2017, 07:08 PM
More likely lazy well-fed cats. http://www.reduser.net/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

Not to understate the obvious, but cats are weird.

Our little Siamese mix is a champion ratter. She lives in a ratter's paradise.

Luckily for us, these are field rats rather than Rattus Rattus, so they really don't want to take up residence in the house or buildings until it gets 'cold'. I know that if they ever get accustomed to living indoors there will be Hell to pay, but we have avoided that, Largely with Miss Lucky's help.


All this to say that she probably kills 3 or 4 rats a week, and won't eat them at all.

In fact, after she kills a rat, she is howling to be fed!

George Jung
08-25-2017, 10:31 PM
poison seems a viable option. I wonder if your 'professional' would use that approach.

Re: the Siamese ratter - not eating the kill. Confirms your cat is 'refined and discriminating'. That's good!