Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

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  • Norman Bernstein
    Liberaltarian
    • Nov 2004
    • 25217

    Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

    You can't make this stuff up, folks

    President Trump “has become increasingly frustrated with his advisers tasked with crafting a new U.S. strategy in Afghanistan and recently suggested firing the war’s top military commander during a tense meeting at the White House,” NBC News reports.

    Said Trump: “We aren’t winning. We are losing.”

    Trump also “inquired about the United States getting a piece of Afghan’s mineral wealth.” He then “compared the policy review process to the renovation of a famed New York restaurant in the 1980s.”
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






  • SKIP KILPATRICK
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2013
    • 13573

    #2
    Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

    Is the tip included or do we need to at 15-20%?
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    ---This post is delivered with righteous passion and with a solemn southern directness --
    ...........fighting against the deliberate polarization of politics...

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    • LeeG
      Senior Member
      • May 2002
      • 72780

      #3
      Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

      He has kind of a valid point. There is no winning.

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      • skuthorp
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2002
        • 73596

        #4
        Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

        Maybe Donald can get hold of a suitable uniform and take direct command in Afghanistan. After all it can't be to difficult for a man of his capacities.

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        • Norman Bernstein
          Liberaltarian
          • Nov 2004
          • 25217

          #5
          Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

          Originally posted by LeeG
          He has kind of a valid point. There is no winning.
          I don't think that Trump believes that it can't be won... he doesn't understand the concept of 'unwinnable'... even when he loses.
          "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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          • LeeG
            Senior Member
            • May 2002
            • 72780

            #6
            Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

            Originally posted by Norman Bernstein
            I don't think that Trump believes that it can't be won... he doesn't understand the concept of 'unwinnable'... even when he loses.
            I bet it'll be easier for him to give up on a military solution than other presidents. If it's a losing proposition walk away and say anything that make you look good.

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            • Norman Bernstein
              Liberaltarian
              • Nov 2004
              • 25217

              #7
              Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

              Originally posted by LeeG
              I bet it'll be easier for him to give up on a military solution than other presidents. If it's a losing proposition walk away and say anything that make you look good.
              Sad to say, but that might not be a bad strategy. I've NEVER thought that the Afghan war was 'winnable', by ANY definition of the word.
              "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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              • LeeG
                Senior Member
                • May 2002
                • 72780

                #8
                Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

                Listening to this now


                National security leaders in Congress and U.S. allies in the region are looking to President Trump to set a course for action in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Kabul's fight against the Taliban is reportedly in a stalemate, and policymakers are considering an increase of U.S. and international military forces. Neighboring Pakistan is also combating militancy, and Trump has expressed concern about the country's nuclear arsenal.  

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                • skuthorp
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 73596

                  #9
                  Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

                  History agrees Norman. And the point was raised as far back as Alexander.

                  And Lee, whilst they are in the area they might consider the Chinese/Indianpush and shove in Bhutan at present.

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                  • C. Ross
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2007
                    • 14153

                    #10
                    Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

                    "...a piece of Afghsnistan's mineral wealth..."

                    You want some Empire to go with your neo-Fascism? Cool.

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                    • Norman Bernstein
                      Liberaltarian
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 25217

                      #11
                      Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

                      Originally posted by C. Ross
                      "...a piece of Afghsnistan's mineral wealth..."

                      You want some Empire to go with your neo-Fascism? Cool.
                      Yup... that should put him in solid with most of the world's leaders
                      "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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                      • Vince Brennan
                        Seymour TN 37865
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 10318

                        #12
                        Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

                        Originally posted by Norman Bernstein
                        I don't think that Trump believes that it can't be won... he doesn't understand the concept of 'unwinnable'... even when he loses.
                        Originally posted by LeeG
                        I bet it'll be easier for him to give up on a military solution than other presidents. If it's a losing proposition walk away and say anything that make you look good.

                        Originally posted by Norman Bernstein
                        Sad to say, but that might not be a bad strategy. I've NEVER thought that the Afghan war was 'winnable', by ANY definition of the word.
                        It's the "Real Estate" philosophy of selling... plump up your claims so as to show well at the Board meetings, advertize benefits but never acknowledge consequences, be sure that you are partially if not fully insulated from immediate decisions, blame failure on ANYTHING other than errors of concept or execution on your own part and then abandon the project/sale and let that "someone else" take the loss. NEVER LET THEM SEE YOU SIX-PUTT.
                        http://www.frayedknotarts.com

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                        • Phil Y
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 21066

                          #13
                          Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

                          Great idea for a reality TV show, I mean restaurants have been pretty much done to death haven't they? But a show based on war, now that could really rate.

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                          • SKIP KILPATRICK
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 13573

                            #14
                            Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

                            Afghanistan: Where Empires Go to Die!
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                            • skuthorp
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 73596

                              #15
                              Re: Running a war is just like renovating a restaurant

                              Afghanistan vs America
                              15 years and US$700 billion. And the personal costs?
                              "As of October 18th, 2016, there have been 2,386 U.S. military deaths in the War in Afghanistan. 1,834 of these deaths have been the result of hostile action. 20,049 American servicemembers have also been wounded in action during the war. In addition, there were 1,173 U.S. civilian contractor fatalities".

                              Five hundred Afghan Army casualties a month and civilian casualties at a record high…… and in the end the west will walk away. It will make the Vietnam flight look like a picnic.
                              Last edited by skuthorp; 08-03-2017, 04:50 PM.

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