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leikec
08-02-2017, 09:46 PM
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Is this the gold standard? For my needs it may well be. For one thing, the wide front end is absolutely necessary on my hilly 4 acre property.

What would be your idea of a good, practical vintage working tractor?

Jeff C

jack grebe
08-02-2017, 09:48 PM
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Is this the gold standard? For my needs it may well be. For one thing, the wide front end is absolutely necessary on my hilly 4 acre property.

What would be your idea of a good, practical vintage working tractor?

Jeff C

The international harvester 454 I picked up last year for 3k......

David G
08-02-2017, 10:22 PM
How small? I'm thinking of picking up a vintage Wheel Horse to use as a yard tug at Harbor Woodworks. Vintage... that's the same as 'decrepit', right? --



https://images.craigslist.org/00W0W_3NMP4R8PeDP_1200x900.jpg

PeterSibley
08-02-2017, 10:38 PM
A Ransome crawler

https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/content/media/35/194385-large.jpg

http://tractor-photos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/1325.jpg

http://www.tomm.net.au/resources/IMG_0277.JPG

Landrith
08-02-2017, 11:48 PM
I have an aluminum Ferguson predecessor to the Ford. Hills were a concern, my mother didn't like the Allis Chalmers WD with the tricycle front wheel, even though the rear wheels would self adjust to wide from narrow. Its hard not to love a John Deere or Kubota or Mahindra compact diesel tractor though. I tried walk behind Gravelys and had several handy implements but I was doing a lot of labor as opposed to a 4 wheel tractor.

cathouse willy
08-03-2017, 12:10 AM
"Drove" one of these around the orchard at 5 years old, sitting on Dad's knee. An Oliver oc-3.

http://www.tractorfriends.org/tractorsengines/buddyscrawlers/buddystractor16.bmp

jack grebe
08-03-2017, 12:40 AM
Here's mine, like I said, I only paid 3k for it, delivered to the property and came with a bush hog.

Approximately the same physical size as an N series, but with an independent PTO and 50hp.




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Paul Pless
08-03-2017, 01:16 AM
What would be your idea of a good, practical vintage working tractor?

Jeff Csomething japanese, awd, hydrostatic, with a front end loader, rops, and a detachable front end snow blower

retrofit a block heater - all my sins were absolved after having done so

PeterSibley
08-03-2017, 02:37 AM
One of the most common small tractors in Australia, ''the Grey Fergy,'' a TEA20 Ferguson.

http://www.tractordata.com/photos/F005/5040/5040-td4-b01.jpg

PeterSibley
08-03-2017, 02:39 AM
but a far better machine, a 35 hp Ferguson.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/35/ca/96/35ca96766def5527285c94260f686f16.jpg

Stiletto
08-03-2017, 04:20 AM
You beat me to it Peter, there are still quite a few of Fergie 35s in semi retirement over here .

PeterSibley
08-03-2017, 04:31 AM
These were popular, a Howard 2000.

http://i910.photobucket.com/albums/ac305/jjwebb123/Howard002.jpg

http://www.howardregister.com/Gallery/gp71.jpg
and a few very basic machines .

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8485/8171309220_7a248f207d.jpg

Ron Williamson
08-03-2017, 05:35 AM
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Is this the gold standard? For my needs it may well be. For one thing, the wide front end is absolutely necessary on my hilly 4 acre property.

What would be your idea of a good, practical vintage working tractor?

Jeff C

8n has reverse that's too high and the PTO doesn't disconnect the implement from the hind tires when you push in the clutch.
A bush hog's momentum will push the tractor forward especially when you don't want it to.

My personal vintage favourite is a Ford(son) Dexta(2000,in the US,IIRC.) though I would love a wee diesel MF35.
R

PeterSibley
08-03-2017, 05:45 AM
I'd like a 25 hp Kubota . https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/42/83/66/4283663909bc3ad3469aa659729db69a.jpg

Garret
08-03-2017, 06:43 AM
The TEA20 Ferguson is much the same as a 2N/9N Ford. Growing up we had a 47 2N that was old enough to have the Ferguson grille - as Ford bought rights, tooling & parts from Ferguson to make their own tractors. As mentioned above, the big thing missing from the 2/9/8Ns is live PTO. While the bushhog pushing the tractor from its flywheel effect can be solved with an overunning clutch in the PTO shaft, the tractors are better suited to fairly light duty work. A joy to drive though. Some 8Ns had a high/low range option that made them more versatile.

Do not put a bucket on one! The rear end is way too light & unless you overload the tractor with rear wheel/3 point hitch weights you cannot get any traction. This is where a 4WD tractor just blows away anything vintage. I went from the 2N (inherited from dad) to a 1920 (model, not year) Ford (35HP diesel) & I'd guesstimate I could do at least 5 times the work with it. Faster, smoother, way better traction & used less fuel. I now have a 40HP Kioti & like that - but "vintage" (aka 20-30 YO) Kubotas as pictured above can be found fairly reasonably & are good tractors. Parts are not cheap - but readily available.

ETA:

I'd forgotten that the old Fords had a non-standard PTO coupler: 1 1/8 vs. 1 3/8 (1 3/8 is the modern standard). This means you'll need at least an adapter - but the overruning clutch (that also converts) is a better option. An example:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31PXyp0AM4L.jpg

PeterSibley
08-03-2017, 07:11 AM
How about a 1960 Lamborgini?

http://www.coys.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/cars/1960-lamborghini-2241r-tractor-2/47_253_03.jpg

Garret
08-03-2017, 07:12 AM
How about a 1960 Lamborgini?



OK!

Or a Ferrari:

http://www.scalefarm.com/products/U-6033.jpg

Or Porche:

http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Powerland-SteamUp-09-004-800.jpg

The Bigfella
08-03-2017, 07:22 AM
Pffft

https://photos.smugmug.com/Randoms/i-NsVJShN/0/7ce521fe/X2/mod-8468-X2.jpg

jack grebe
08-03-2017, 09:06 AM
You gonna work them????.

oznabrag
08-03-2017, 09:06 AM
something japanese, awd, hydrostatic, with a front end loader, rops, and a detachable front end snow blower

retrofit a block heater - all my sins were absolved after having done so

Hate to say it, but that ticks off all the boxes.

Steering a 2WD tractor with a bucket full of just about anything is a bear, even if the front wheels DON'T mire down.


For my part, I would prefer a tractor with no computers or electronics PLUS AWD, FEL, and hydrostatic drive, so that's a pretty narrow band.

Garret
08-03-2017, 09:24 AM
...For my part, I would prefer a tractor with no computers or electronics PLUS AWD, FEL, and hydrostatic drive, so that's a pretty narrow band.

Older Kubota, New Holland (aka Ford), maybe Deere - but 80's - early 90's vintage. As the saying goes, green paint is expensive - so you'll most likely find a better buy on a NH or Kubota. Massey Fergusons of the era were actually AgCo - but they didn;t sell a lot & parts may be an issue.

My 2006 Kioti has little in the way of electronics - but virtually all of the above have something electronic - though no much in the 80's. Also note that there ain't no such critter as a US made tractor under 40 or 50HP in any of the major brands. The Kioti is Korean, all the others are Japanese. Early Mahindras (India) are awful - though the later ones are better. Don't touch Chinese tractors with a 12 ft. pole!

Paul Pless
08-03-2017, 09:25 AM
As the saying goes, green paint is expensive orange has caught up

jack grebe
08-03-2017, 09:26 AM
Maybe something like this....



https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320xq90/r/922/iOQDGC.jpg

Garret
08-03-2017, 09:28 AM
orange has caught up

Wouldn't surprise me, but I haven't looked at new machines in about 10 years. Back then Deeres ran at least 15% more than Kubota or NH.

Garret
08-03-2017, 09:28 AM
Maybe something like this....



IIRC, that doesn't have a standard 3 point hitch - no?

Rum_Pirate
08-03-2017, 09:48 AM
Field Marshall

Starting starts at 0:43



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEurohAwrmA

This one is less likely to turn over.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/14/a5/9b/14a59b15ad3f8215341c65540bcbfbec--big-tractors-heavy-machinery.jpg

peb
08-03-2017, 09:57 AM
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Is this the gold standard? For my needs it may well be. For one thing, the wide front end is absolutely necessary on my hilly 4 acre property.

What would be your idea of a good, practical vintage working tractor?

Jeff C
Those Fords are handy, but the clutches give a lot of problems. It's a little bigger, but I think a John Deere 4020 is a great tractor, not quite as old. Dad says the 3010s were really good.

Paul Pless
08-03-2017, 09:59 AM
It's a little bigger, but I think a John Deere 4020 is a great tractora little bigger? is that texan understatement???

oznabrag
08-03-2017, 10:30 AM
Older Kubota, New Holland (aka Ford), maybe Deere - but 80's - early 90's vintage. As the saying goes, green paint is expensive - so you'll most likely find a better buy on a NH or Kubota. Massey Fergusons of the era were actually AgCo - but they didn;t sell a lot & parts may be an issue.

My 2006 Kioti has little in the way of electronics - but virtually all of the above have something electronic - though no much in the 80's. Also note that there ain't no such critter as a US made tractor under 40 or 50HP in any of the major brands. The Kioti is Korean, all the others are Japanese. Early Mahindras (India) are awful - though the later ones are better. Don't touch Chinese tractors with a 12 ft. pole!

A general-purpose farm tractor leads a very rough life.

A 3/8" mild steel rod bent to conform to the task, and used to control . . . 'something', can get pretty boogered up, yet be put back in service on the spot with a large pair of pliers, maybe a hammer/rock, and a generous dose of 'want to'.

When you smash the relay that now does that rod's job, yer spit outta luck.

Also, tractor manufacturers seem to believe that running those control wires on the underside of the machine is a good idea.

It's not.

jack grebe
08-03-2017, 10:55 AM
IIRC, that doesn't have a standard 3 point hitch - no?

No, it did have an optional quick lift.
If all he is doing is cutting grass and dragging
stuff around, they are great with a belly mower.

Garret
08-03-2017, 11:04 AM
A general-purpose farm tractor leads a very rough life.

A 3/8" mild steel rod bent to conform to the task, and used to control . . . 'something', can get pretty boogered up, yet be put back in service on the spot with a large pair of pliers, maybe a hammer/rock, and a generous dose of 'want to'.

When you smash the relay that now does that rod's job, yer spit outta luck.

Also, tractor manufacturers seem to believe that running those control wires on the underside of the machine is a good idea.

It's not.

Oh - I hear ya! $105 for a new (with interlock connections) ignition switch on the Kioti. The 2 position switch for the 2N was about $8. Thing is, even toasters have chips nowadays. Oh - complete wiring harness for the 2N from Tractor Supply is $9.95. It's 4 or 5 wires...

oznabrag
08-03-2017, 11:08 AM
Oh - I hear ya! $105 for a new (with interlock connections) ignition switch on the Kioti. The 2 position switch for the 2N was about $8. Thing is, even toasters have chips nowadays. Oh - complete wiring harness for the 2N from Tractor Supply is $9.95. It's 4 or 5 wires...

They do indeed, but why?

The old-school electro-mechanical controls worked just fine, AND if they malfunctioned it was easy to figure out why, and fix the dang thing in time for breakfast!

paulf
08-03-2017, 11:11 AM
Oh - I hear ya! $105 for a new (with interlock connections) ignition switch on the Kioti. The 2 position switch for the 2N was about $8. Thing is, even toasters have chips nowadays. Oh - complete wiring harness for the 2N from Tractor Supply is $9.95. It's 4 or 5 wires...

Just bought a new starter with switch and solenoid from yesterdays tractors in Port Townsend for my 1950 8N. $125. Yesterdays Tractors is a fairly reasonable parts store.
www.yesterdaystractors.com

Canoeyawl
08-03-2017, 11:15 AM
I have a complete intact and working magneto assembly for an 8N...
Timing cover to spark plugs with wiring harness.

Shang
08-03-2017, 11:18 AM
I sold our old IH Super C when we moved away from our place in the woods in Upstate NY. That was nearly forty years ago--the present owner told me that it was still running fine.

paulf
08-03-2017, 11:18 AM
I have a complete intact and working magneto assembly for an 8N...
Timing cover to spark plugs with wiring harness.

I didn't think 8Ns used mags. Mine has 6 volt electrical system pos ground.

Garret
08-03-2017, 11:22 AM
They do indeed, but why?

The old-school electro-mechanical controls worked just fine, AND if they malfunctioned it was easy to figure out why, and fix the dang thing in time for breakfast!

'cause it gives 'em fancy idiot lights & such. Probably cheaper to make than the the old ones + most people won't fix a toaster, they just toss it & buy a new one.

oznabrag
08-03-2017, 11:24 AM
'cause it gives 'em fancy idiot lights & such. Probably cheaper to make than the the old ones + most people won;t fix a toaster, they just toss it & buy a new one.

Ahhh . . . The ol' 'Bells and Whistles' is it? :D :D

Garret
08-03-2017, 11:28 AM
Ahhh . . . The ol' 'Bells and Whistles' is it? :D :D

Yepper. Back to tractors: When I was looking for one (& eventually bought the Kioti), the salesman at the M-F dealership floored me. I told him I was in the market for a 35HP or so 4WD tractor & said "Why should I buy a Massey?". His response was "They have 3 cupholders & the competition all only have 1." I said "Thank you for your time" & left.

amish rob
08-03-2017, 11:31 AM
Yepper. Back to tractors: When I was looking for one (& eventually bought the Kioti), the salesman at the M-F dealership floored me. I told him I was in the market for a 35HP or so 4WD tractor & said "Why should I buy a Massey?". His response was "They have 3 cupholders & the competition all only have 1." I said "Thank you for your time" & left.
Holding out for four cup holders? :D

I drove by the cotton gin I used to haul trailers around with a tractor. They got a cab, and it's got AIR CONDITIONING! Oh, man.

Peace,
Old, I guess...

Garret
08-03-2017, 11:40 AM
Holding out for four cup holders? :D

...

Peace,
Old, I guess...

'zactly! Actually, the one I bought has only one, but it's a 40HP with rear hydraulics & draft control for a lot less than the MF 35HP without those goodies - which were, surprisingly I know, more important to me than cupholders. :)

oznabrag
08-03-2017, 11:51 AM
'zactly! Actually, the one I bought has only one, but it's a 40HP with rear hydraulics & draft control for a lot less than the MF 35HP without those goodies - which were, surprisingly I know, more important to me than cupholders. :)

I reckon the tractor manufacturers have realized that most their American customers couldn't fab up a cup holder if their air-conditioned lives depended on it.

Ron Williamson
08-03-2017, 12:00 PM
I didn't think 8Ns used mags. Mine has 6 volt electrical system pos ground.

and the early ones with front mount distributor would get one of the towers busted off by the front axle if you went over a big lump or through a deep hole.

Many of the smaller,more recent(70s-80s) domestics like Massey and Ford were re-badged Japanese tractors with little current support.
Also there were quite a few tractors made by Universal(UTB) with Fiat engines,that were labeled with domestic names and little to no support.
R

Garret
08-03-2017, 12:32 PM
and the early ones with front mount distributor would get one of the towers busted off by the front axle if you went over a big lump or through a deep hole.

Many of the smaller,more recent(70s-80s) domestics like Massey and Ford were re-badged Japanese tractors with little current support.
Also there were quite a few tractors made by Universal(UTB) with Fiat engines,that were labeled with domestic names and little to no support.
R

Deeres were rebranded Yanmars for many years. Now the Cub Cadet compact tractors are.

All compact tractors sold in the US today are from Asia.

paulf
08-03-2017, 12:39 PM
An ad for a tractor saw popped up under this thread for me!

http://www.tractorsaw.com/?gclid=CPDp6K3Nu9UCFZGJfgodZioEEA

John Smith
08-03-2017, 12:48 PM
Don't think I've a photo of it, but my friend with the Wurlitzer has a small steam powered tractor.

peb
08-03-2017, 12:49 PM
a little bigger? is that texan understatement???

Yea, it might be. But I a 4020 is not too big to be a very handy utility tractor. It handles very easily. When I was a kid, my uncle had a 4020 and a Ford 8n on his farm, I think the Ford was only used when the 4020 was not available due to other work. We also had a 4020 for a utility tractor, and some field work. It was great, I never remember it being too big to be convenient for a job, and there are times when the bigger tractor will certainly be useful. And they are dang reliable. Just don't get one with the original cabs that were an option. Those cabs were horrible. Simple roll bar with umbrella will suffice.

If I was to get a vintage utility tractor, that would be my choice.

leikec
08-03-2017, 01:20 PM
Uhhh...guys...it's just under 4 acres and most of it is woods. Also,on a hellishly hot day here in the summer it's about 85 degrees.

98% of the reason I need a tractor is to blade the driveway. I won't be using any kind of mower attachment, as I can weedeater all the grass that needs trimming in about 15 minutes.

Whatever I buy will be vintage 1950's or older, just because I like old stuff.

Jeff C

Paul Pless
08-03-2017, 01:21 PM
okay

flatheads forever

http://13252-presscdn-0-94.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/enginecrop1-620x465.jpg

jack grebe
08-03-2017, 01:25 PM
Well why didn't you just say so..........


OK , we need tractor pics of equipment with a cool factor.......

Paul Pless
08-03-2017, 01:27 PM
OK , we need tractor pics of equipment with a cool factor.......8N with blown flathead and double rear tires :D

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/11/dd/a0/11dda05eb8319efd95523365446c1f67.jpg

jack grebe
08-03-2017, 01:28 PM
Maybe some steam???




http://lh3.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SXUnDFnFNxI/AAAAAAAA3k4/DXhwCdH3OKU/s640/werthewtbdfdc.jpg

Paul Pless
08-03-2017, 01:32 PM
what about an electric tractor conversion?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/42/e6/70/42e6700905f98de1321403a9dcb6e8b9.jpg

jack grebe
08-03-2017, 01:33 PM
Ahem........





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Garret
08-03-2017, 01:49 PM
Uhhh...guys...it's just under 4 acres and most of it is woods. Also,on a hellishly hot day here in the summer it's about 85 degrees.

98% of the reason I need a tractor is to blade the driveway. I won't be using any kind of mower attachment, as I can weedeater all the grass that needs trimming in about 15 minutes.

Whatever I buy will be vintage 1950's or older, just because I like old stuff.

Jeff C

If that's it, then a 2N, 9N, 8N will do just fine. I graded a mile of driveway with the 2N for several years. Note that the 3 point hitch will not raise if you have the clutch disengaged. Slightly later (& a bit bigger) tractors have live hydraulics - so they will. A Jubilee would be perfect:

https://assets.hemmings.com/blog/wp-content/uploads//2015/08/AF15_r0139_02.jpg

Grand Rapids: https://grandrapids.craigslist.org/grd/d/1953-ford-jubilee-tractor/6245850062.html

Manistee: https://nmi.craigslist.org/grd/d/ford-600-gold-jubilee/6246441922.html

Flint (& cheap): https://flint.craigslist.org/grd/d/1957-ford-850-tractor/6228037075.html

peb
08-03-2017, 03:23 PM
https://zuwiiw.bn1303.livefilestore.com/y4m2ewk_XOupxJ2wyvlHOBQS8TxWU3c_-2VStDWle1vBmkppavxTTkSN4KkXP_cHJUkYxO0z3g1KP5NQTHj 0cHY5rLNDsUqGBP0WPqaDbohufqMHJQQGQBA4iWXhFBLSKgP9D P_9Qo7XErAA1ldWTasyDN_5qs4tza8Th29BIHbOd-BJU3ye13PiNwpj5vvGyHq1M20HejOtyi7bHNquCgF0Q?width= 1080&height=1920&cropmode=none

My grandfathers Farmall H, which he bought new in 1947 and used until he died in 1988. Warning: not applicable for the OP. Cool tractor to pull kids around with on a hay ride in a local Labor Day parade though!!!!

Edited: there is a Ford next to it, you can see its rear wheel and fender, but those have already been shown on this thread.

Canoeyawl
08-03-2017, 05:25 PM
I didn't think 8Ns used mags. Mine has 6 volt electrical system pos ground.

They came either way, the magneto is not common.

http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/mvphoto16485.jpg
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