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Ted Hoppe
08-01-2017, 12:32 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-new-chief-of-staff-john-kelly-is-making-overtures-to-democrats

Fresh off a stinging health-care defeat (http://www.thedailybeast.com/john-mccain-strikes-down-gop-plot-to-kill-obamacare) and with internal chaos (http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-removes-scaramucci-as-white-house-communications-director) embroiling the Trump administration, White House aides are signaling newfound openness to working with congressional Democrats (http://thedailybeast.com/keyword/democratic-party)—or, at least, to alleviating some of the toxic partisan differences that have marked their tenure.
Sources in the administration say an outreach campaign by newly minted Chief of Staff John Kelly is in the works to rebuild some bridges and, potentially, chip away at the unified Democratic opposition to President Donald Trump (http://thedailybeast.com/keyword/donald-trump)’s agenda. Even before he formally started the job, Kelly was reaching out to top Capitol Hill Democrats in hopes of regaining political capital ahead of what is expected to be a bruising fight over tax reform and other administration priorities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/28/us/politics/john-kelly-chief-of-staff-donald-trump.html

WASHINGTON — President Trump frequently referred to John F. Kelly as one of “my generals,” the three senior military leaders he recruited for his team. On Friday, Mr. Trump decided to see whether Mr. Kelly, a retired four-star Marine Corps general, could impose a new sense of discipline on an unruly and chaotic West Wing.

The square-jawed Mr. Kelly, the first general to hold the chief of staff position since Alexander M. Haig during the Nixon administration, will be an imposing and strait-laced figure in a West Wing filled with constantly warring aides and advisers, most of whom came to Washington with virtually no experience in federal government before Mr. Trump’s victory last year.
“John has also done a spectacular job at Homeland Security,” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/891039237319143424), calling Mr. Kelly a “great American” and saying he had been a “true star of my Administration.”Mr. Kelly’s arrival in his new post on Monday could signal a new stability at the White House, but only if Mr. Trump gives him the authority to crack down on the behavior of his other aides. As a real estate developer, Mr. Trump has operated with a staff that has often seemed out of control.


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More...and a Great Leader. John has also done a spectacular job at Homeland Security. He has been a true star of my Administration. (the only star in his administration).

Norman Bernstein
08-01-2017, 12:35 PM
Even before he formally started the job, Kelly was reaching out to top Capitol Hill Democrats in hopes of regaining political capital ahead of what is expected to be a bruising fight over tax reform and other administration priorities.

SOMEBODY has to be the adult in the room :)

Ted Hoppe
08-01-2017, 12:39 PM
SOMEBODY has to be the adult in the room :)

There is hope in Kelly. I was working out the machiavellian politics that would make Kelly defacto President and eventually accept the sworn in position.

Norman Bernstein
08-01-2017, 12:41 PM
There is hope in Kelly. I was working out the machiavellian politics that would make Kelly defacto President and eventually accept the sworn in position.

I'm waiting to see if Jared and Ivanka are going to report to him, or not. She's already said she wil be working 'alongside' Kelley.... not 'under' him.

Ted Hoppe
08-01-2017, 12:59 PM
I'm waiting to see if Jared and Ivanka are going to report to him, or not. She's already said she wil be working 'alongside' Kelley.... not 'under' him.

She is going to be sent on civility and soft humanitrian missions. I am waiting for the tropical storms to come to show their compassion for the losses of those living along the coast. That makes good TV. I am sure they will have a new line of active wear to support this storm season in an upcoming QVC co-marketing deal.

Chris Smith porter maine
08-01-2017, 02:08 PM
To bad the Republicans didn't run him.

SKIP KILPATRICK
08-01-2017, 02:11 PM
To bad the Republicans didn't run him.

They damn sure ran just about everyone else...... and yet they picked Trump! Curious!

Arizona Bay
08-01-2017, 03:14 PM
They damn sure ran just about everyone else...... and yet they picked Trump! Curious!

Don't just jump right in, Kelly only looks reasonable because the TRMP has dropped the threshold below sea level.
A new window in an old outhouse looks brilliant.

Juan Cole on Kelly


Published onTuesday, August 01, 2017


by
Informed Comment (http://www.juancole.com/)

Top 6 Falsehoods Embraced by new WH Chief of Staff John Kelly

by
Juan Cole (https://www.commondreams.org/author/juan-cole)

"The most dangerous thing of all is the Kelly is a good soldier and will do as he is told by Trump."



John Kelly will get a lot of good will from having fired the foul-mouthed Anthony Scaramuchi. But should he? At least Scaramuchi had been gunning for Steve Bannon, the scary far, far right wing white nationalist who serves as White House strategist. You have a sense that while Kelly is just very, very conservative, there are lots of things about Bannon he is comfortable with. That isn’t a comforting thought.

1. Kelly thinks (https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2017/04/25/homeland-security-john-kelly-unhinged/viy0TgjP0p54ovFHDWO8KJ/story.html) we are under siege:
“We are under attack from failed states, cyber-terrorists, vicious smugglers, and sadistic radicals. And we are under attack every single day. The threats are relentless.”

As Michael Cohen wrote in response at the Boston Globe, “Cyber-terrorists have never killed an American citizen, no failed state threatens America and more Americans are killed by lightning strikes than sadistic radicals.”

2. Kelly said that construction on Trump’s border wall (http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/jeff-sessions-john-kelly-border-wall-cnntv/index.html) would begin by the end of this summer. It won’t.

3. Nor is the wall needed or wanted by a majority of Americans. Kelly is almost delusional about US immigration enforcement: (http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/21/politics/jeff-sessions-john-kelly-border-wall-cnntv/index.html)“”Nothing’s been done in the past eight years to to enforce the border rules and regulations, not to mention many of the immigration laws inside of the United States…”

Fact: The Obama administration deported at least as many people (http://www.snopes.com/obama-deported-more-people/) as the Bush administration had, if you use the same definition for deportations in both administrations. By sheer reported numbers, Obama deported some 2.5 million people during his 8 years while Bush deported 2 million. They probably actually deported about the same number. Kelly’s bizarre notion that the laws were not implemented since 2009 is flat wrong.

4. Kelly wanted to prioritize deportation of undocumented people who use marijuana on the circa 1910 grounds that it is a “gateway drug.” (https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/04/19/does-anyone-still-believe-marijuana-gateway-drug)It is not, or Colorado would be nothing but heroin addicts. Legalization of marijuana tracks with lower crime rates.

5. Kelly said of reports that Jared Kushner had met with the Russians during the campaign, before these reports were confirmed, that “any channel of communication” with Russia “is a good thing.” (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/28/kelly-russia-kushner-communications-238895)

6. Not to mention Kelly’s bizarre performance during Trump’s first attempt at a Muslim ban, when he gladly acted without any regard to the US constitution and claimed to have authored the policy (Bannon and Miller sprang it on him). The most dangerous thing of all is the Kelly is a good soldier and will do as he is told by Trump.

Ted Hoppe
08-01-2017, 03:40 PM
Don't just jump right in, Kelly only looks reasonable because the TRMP has dropped the threshold below sea level.
A new window in an old outhouse looks brilliant.

Juan Cole on Kelly

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Is Cole suggesting that the job of as director of Homeland security and the chief of staff have the same responsibilities and duties. His job now is to restructure the white house so it can function as the head of state. I would have to disagree with Cole as of right now - Kelly has proven himself a capable organized leader who has the respect and knows the direct political game of many on capital hill. Few others have proven so wise in ethical conduct and the mentoring of newbies in the Trump White House.

If Secretary Leon Panetta a respected and honorable man has shown faith and belief in Kelly why should we not give him the benefit of the doubt.

StevenBauer
08-01-2017, 04:05 PM
The better Kelly does the less trump will trust him. He does not like to share the limelight. I say he'll last less than 3 months.

Arizona Bay
08-01-2017, 04:08 PM
Is Cole suggesting that the job of as director of Homeland security and the chief of staff have the same responsibilities and duties. His job now is to restructure the white house so it can function as the head of state. I would have to disagree with Cole as of right now - Kelly has proven himself a capable organized leader who has the respect and knows the direct political game of many on capital hill. Few others have proven so wise in ethical conduct and the mentoring of newbies in the Trump White House.

If Secretary Leon Panetta a respected and honorable man has shown faith and belief in Kelly why should we not give him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think he is saying that. I think he is saying that Kelly's talents and Scrotus's ability to be manipulated could be a dangerous combination, something to be watched. Some order in the mad house would be good though.

Ted Hoppe
08-01-2017, 04:24 PM
I don't think he is saying that. I think he is saying that Kelly's talents and constitutional ability to be manipulated could be a dangerous combination, something to be watched. Some order in the mad house would be good though.

No doubt the Trumps are scoundrels. I would hope that Kelly remains the honorable man many think he is. In the future there may be a constitutional crisis or a armed conflict with North Korea. I am slightly relieved we have an adult in the white house.

As for Kelly, he and his wife already lost a son who stepped on a land mine on a third combat tour well as many other women and men who reported to him over these military conflicts in his watch. He has witnessed and served in multinational defense organizations and has been tempered by life to understand the weight he carries. Let's hope he remain diligently at his post as well as defender of our democratic republic.

Trump is out classed in knowledge, intellect and compassion by Kelly. If Trump disposes of Kelly - he will be toast.

skuthorp
08-01-2017, 04:37 PM
To do the job he has been given it may be that Kelly will have to over rule Donald on some matters or resign.
He is likely the man to attempt that if he deems it necessary. Happened with Nixon when he was deemed as "behaving in a delusional unpredictable manner". Is that a good thing or not for the future of the State?

Arizona Bay
08-01-2017, 05:41 PM
It might protect us from the TRMP but are these Generals to be trusted??? We shall see...

It's doesn't bode well when the military is under the constitutional control of a civilian, but the civilian in charge is the biggest threat to the country.


The two military men, who Trump affectionately refers to as "my generals," hatched a plan during the initial months of his presidency to ensure he wasn’t left alone while in the U.S., the
Associated Press (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_CHIEF_OF_STAFF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-08-01-10-43-06) reported Tuesday. Kelly and Mattis agreed to schedule their travel arrangements so at least one of them could be physically accessible to the new president at all times, an official with knowledge of the pact said.

skuthorp
08-01-2017, 05:48 PM
They may be 'my generals' but their ultimate loyalty is to the State not the man I presume. Or is this another Royal Power that the President has?

Chris Smith porter maine
08-01-2017, 05:53 PM
I think the mooch was brought in to rid Trump of spicer and preibus? Once done he was no longer needed, Kelly is probably our new president effectively Trump doesn't know how to govern I'm not sure Kelly does either, hopefully his loyalty is to our country, but I'm with Steven the over under on his tenure is 3-6 months.

Arizona Bay
08-01-2017, 06:07 PM
They may be 'my generals' but their ultimate loyalty is to the State not the man I presume. Or is this another Royal Power that the President has?

They are all supposed to be loyal to the Constitution first, but I see how easily Scrotus can ignore that part or maybe not understand it. It all depends on men of honor and good character, let"s hope Mattis and Kelly are up to it.

Ian McColgin
08-01-2017, 06:59 PM
[IMc - But General Kelly shares some of the worse delusional falsehoods of the Trump world view.]

Published on Tuesday, August 01, 2017, by Informed Comment

Top 6 Falsehoods Embraced by new WH Chief of Staff John Kelly

by Juan Cole

John Kelly will get a lot of good will from having fired the foul-mouthed Anthony Scaramuchi. But should he? At least Scaramuchi had been gunning for Steve Bannon, the scary far, far right wing white nationalist who serves as White House strategist. You have a sense that while Kelly is just very, very conservative, there are lots of things about Bannon he is comfortable with. That isn’t a comforting thought.

1. Kelly thinks we are under siege:

“We are under attack from failed states, cyber-terrorists, vicious smugglers, and sadistic radicals. And we are under attack every single day. The threats are relentless.”

As Michael Cohen wrote in response at the Boston Globe, “Cyber-terrorists have never killed an American citizen, no failed state threatens America and more Americans are killed by lightning strikes than sadistic radicals.”

2. Kelly said that construction on Trump’s border wall would begin by the end of this summer. It won’t.

3. Nor is the wall needed or wanted by a majority of Americans. Kelly is almost delusional about US immigration enforcement: “”Nothing’s been done in the past eight years to to enforce the border rules and regulations, not to mention many of the immigration laws inside of the United States…”

Fact: The Obama administration deported at least as many people as the Bush administration had, if you use the same definition for deportations in both administrations. By sheer reported numbers, Obama deported some 2.5 million people during his 8 years while Bush deported 2 million. They probably actually deported about the same number. Kelly’s bizarre notion that the laws were not implemented since 2009 is flat wrong.

4. Kelly wanted to prioritize deportation of undocumented people who use marijuana on the circa 1910 grounds that it is a “gateway drug.” It is not, or Colorado would be nothing but heroin addicts. Legalization of marijuana tracks with lower crime rates.

5. Kelly said of reports that Jared Kushner had met with the Russians during the campaign, before these reports were confirmed, that “any channel of communication” with Russia “is a good thing.”

6. Not to mention Kelly’s bizarre performance during Trump’s first attempt at a Muslim ban, when he gladly acted without any regard to the US constitution and claimed to have authored the policy (Bannon and Miller sprang it on him). The most dangerous thing of all is the Kelly is a good soldier and will do as he is told by Trump.

Juan Cole teaches Middle Eastern and South Asian history at the University of Michigan. His new book, The New Arabs: How the Millennial Generation Is Changing the Middle East (Simon and Schuster), will officially be published July 1st. He is also the author of Engaging the Muslim World and Napoleon's Egypt: Invading the Middle East (both Palgrave Macmillan). He has appeared widely on television, radio and on op-ed pages as a commentator on Middle East affairs, and has a regular column at Salon.com. He has written, edited, or translated 14 books and has authored 60 journal articles. His weblog on the contemporary Middle East is Informed Comment.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/08/01/top-6-falsehoods-embraced-new-wh-chief-staff-john-kelly

Ted Hoppe
08-01-2017, 07:45 PM
It should be noted that Cole does have an agenda he is pushing and is hardly non partiasan. His world view runs contrary to those in the White House and in particular the trumpian distrust of Islamic actors. His achedmic career is based on Islamic studies, wife is from Lahore, has written extensively about the United States response post 911. An op ed piece by Cole should be critiqued in the same light as any other polical operative.

there is much political and social commentary published on his website juancole.com

Jim Bow
08-01-2017, 07:45 PM
", chip away at the unified Democratic opposition to President Donald Trump (http://thedailybeast.com/keyword/donald-trump)’s agenda"

The "agenda" seems to be the trillion dollar wall, destruction of the Affordable Care Act, and passing on huge tax breaks to billionaires.

Chip away.

Osborne Russell
08-01-2017, 09:02 PM
[IMc - But General Kelly shares some of the worse delusional falsehoods of the Trump world view.]

Yep, that's how low we've sunk. A guy with a retarded world-view is seen as good news provided he isn't actually retarded.