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Chip-skiff
07-27-2017, 05:03 PM
He's obviously terrified, shifting to full crazy, with his paranoia kicking in full-blast.

What does he have to fear? Let's guess.

There was conscious and active collusion between his family members and campaign, and the Russian government. He knew about it and supported it.

His various business enterprises have probably laundered millions or billions of dirty Russian rubles, dealing with persons under sanction, through a combination of shell companies and real-estate purchases, likely with the collusion of DeuscheBank and/or banks in Cyprus, the Caribbean, and other dodgy areas.

His tax forms probably reveal at least some of these activities, but also include serious evasions and outright lies that could be charged as felony tax evasion and similar crimes.

He consciously tried to subvert James Comey in order to obstruct an investigation.

His wife hates him.

Hmmmmmó what else?

skuthorp
07-27-2017, 05:05 PM
And most of this was known, and worse, yet he was elected?

Peerie Maa
07-27-2017, 05:07 PM
You remind me that Al Capone was finally jailed over tax evasion.

Chip-skiff
07-27-2017, 05:14 PM
You remind me that Al Capone was finally jailed over tax evasion.

Being, basically, an idiot, he threatened the investigators if they look into his and his family's finances.

What a loser! Maybe he should draw them a map. :d

CWSmith
07-27-2017, 05:41 PM
He's got something to hide and the truth is closing in on him. That's why he's scared.

Chris Smith porter maine
07-27-2017, 05:54 PM
I don't believe he coluded, but I'll bet his business dealings won't stand up to intense scrutiny and once an investigation like this starts you never know where it will go, if I had to guess money laundering.

Jim Mahan
07-27-2017, 05:58 PM
Hmmmmm— what else?

He's been a celebrity for decades but he has never before had such an extended presence in the news or in public opinion, even as a reality tv shill. So he never had any real animosity from any crowd, with some acute exceptions. He has never ever had to deal with such scorn and contempt by such a yuuuge and diverse public and adversaries. And now he is getting hammered all over the media, online and print and tv journalists, all day, every day, and it hasn't let up since he started his campaign. And that's not to mention the evening line-up of network and cable comedians destroying him daily.

Even he must be suffering from trmp fatigue, to some degree. It can't be easy maintaining the internal fiction that the world and all the individuals in it think he is superior and rich for being best at everything. During the campaign, all of his events were crowded with admirers, and the s'porters. Since then, not so much.

He is now a trapped rat. He knows they know he's guiltier than any speculation so far. Putin's got him on one side, carrot and stick, and Mueller's got him on the other, with a select crew of career federal prosecutors and financial crimes experts. It's a real Scylla and Charybdis. It ain't going away. There is no way to buy out of it. It will be resolved and by seasoned pros who are not on his side. If it goes that far, there will be an impeachment and there will be criminal indictments, and there will be no pardons. Game over. No where to run, no where to hide.

Even if he resigned now, the various official investigations still have to be resolved; it can't just hang moot. And because of the very nature of the things he has tried to keep hidden and the fact of the transactions involved in the both the conspiracy and in his earlier dealings with Russians and money laundering and etc., there will not be a trmp estate going forward, the evil empire will be disolved, and there will be no legacy, just an asterisk next to the number forty-five, and perpetual scorn and revilement to rival Hitler's. There remains only the coward's way out.

Maybe. Maybe he just has detractors who can't get over Hillary losing and they just keep leaking fake news, and they are all just treating him so unfairly.

jonboy
07-27-2017, 06:19 PM
And most of this was known, and worse, yet he was elected?
You underestimate the power of the political commentariat, stand-up comics and trashTV.
If the poor, misunderstood, wildly misquoted lovely dear man had to go, they would all be out of a job overnight

You have to keep him...the thought of Pence loosens my bowels

Osborne Russell
07-27-2017, 06:33 PM
He is now a trapped rat. He knows they know he's guiltier than any speculation so far.

If occurs to me that there's a further dimension to his unease, which is entirely justified: he knows he doesn't know what they know nor does he know what he should have known before he got into this. The premise was, a guy can just go in and be President, knowing nothing of government or history. Being that ignorant, he must always have been in fear of the people that did know what they were doing, and now he learns what it really means when they are all against him, but he has to keep up the front that it doesn't matter.

Daniel Noyes
07-27-2017, 06:37 PM
He's obviously terrified, shifting to full crazy, with his paranoia kicking in full-blast.

What does he have to fear? Let's guess.


Hmmmmmó what else?


projecting again... so sad

PeterSibley
07-27-2017, 07:14 PM
projecting again... so sad

Ya raccoon?

KMacDonald
07-27-2017, 07:24 PM
Even if all your allegations were true, he'd still be above average compared to other politicians. Fear is not something Donald is familiar with. He's worth 3.7 Billion and can buy ANYTHING!!!!!!!

mmd
07-27-2017, 07:46 PM
"...he'd still be above average compared to other politicians"

Because he's tall?

Old Dryfoot
07-27-2017, 07:58 PM
Even if all your allegations were true, he'd still be above average compared to other politicians. Fear is not something Donald is familiar with. He's worth 3.7 Billion and can buy ANYTHING!!!!!!!

Except respect.

David G
07-27-2017, 08:09 PM
One thing he has to fear is his own inadequacy. He's been buoyed by family money his whole life, and sheltered from the need to become competent at anything except becoming a con artist... protecting and promoting his self-image. I'm sure he knows, at his core, that he's a fraud. No one engages in his amount of bluster, bragging, and bs without being quite hollow inside, and quite fearful of being exposed. I doubt that he's a psychopath, and only a psychopath would be totally unaware of his insecurities. Unfortunately... it's a schtick he's become quite good at. And far too many voters fell for it.

Keith Wilson
07-27-2017, 08:31 PM
Fear is not something Donald is familiar with.Nope. He may have always been able to buy his way out of things before (see Trump University), but not now. He's very afraid, and money can't buy respect, nor immunity from exposure, not at this level. He's in so far over his head he can't even see light from the surface, and he's starting to realize it.


Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms:

- Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
- Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
- Believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
- Requires excessive admiration
- Has a very strong sense of entitlement, e.g., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
- Is exploitative of others, e.g., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
- Lacks empathy, e.g., is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
- Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
- Regularly shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Because personality disorders describe long-standing and enduring patterns of behavior, they are most often diagnosed in adulthood. It is uncommon for them to be diagnosed in childhood or adolescence, because a child or teen is under constant development, personality changes and maturation. However, if it is diagnosed in a child or teen, the features must have been present for at least 1 year. Narcissistic personality disorder is more prevalent in males than females, and is thought to occur in around 6 percent of the general population, according to research.

Nicholas Scheuer
07-27-2017, 08:32 PM
Maybe the POS POTUS knows full well he has done wrong. Ya'know, nobody used to give a rat's a-- about his hotel and casino deals (unless you were the ox being gored by a cheat) but Washington is different.

Chip-skiff
07-27-2017, 09:08 PM
projecting again... so sad

What's less than nothing?

That's what you've got.

ron ll
07-27-2017, 09:15 PM
He's worth 3.7 Billion and can buy ANYTHING!!!!!!!

3.7 billion is pocket change to Jeff Bezos, owner of the Washington Post.

BrianW
07-27-2017, 10:13 PM
One thing he has to fear is his own inadequacy. He's been buoyed by family money his whole life, and sheltered from the need to become competent at anything except becoming a con artist... protecting and promoting his self-image. I'm sure he knows, at his core, that he's a fraud. No one engages in his amount of bluster, bragging, and bs without being quite hollow inside, and quite fearful of being exposed. I doubt that he's a psychopath, and only a psychopath would be totally unaware of his insecurities. Unfortunately... it's a schtick he's become quite good at. And far too many voters fell for it.

I didn't know he was scared, but if he is, I suspect this is the most correct guess.

I'm very disappointed that he has made so many stupid mistakes, but the schtick has been no surprise. :D

Keith Wilson
07-27-2017, 10:17 PM
A bit of wisdom that TomF posted on Facebook.


Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgement simply need not be believed–in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical–and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Letters & Papers from Prison, 43)

mmd
07-27-2017, 10:24 PM
Don't ya just love it when some erudite person strolls by and, in a few short sentences, sums up the issue, and wraps it with a pretty bow?

jack grebe
07-27-2017, 11:00 PM
He's obviously terrified, shifting to full crazy, with his paranoia kicking in full-blast.

What does he have to fear? Let's guess.

There was conscious and active collusion between his family members and campaign, and the Russian government. He knew about it and supported it.

His various business enterprises have probably laundered millions or billions of dirty Russian rubles, dealing with persons under sanction, through a combination of shell companies and real-estate purchases, likely with the collusion of DeuscheBank and/or banks in Cyprus, the Caribbean, and other dodgy areas.

His tax forms probably reveal at least some of these activities, but also include serious evasions and outright lies that could be charged as felony tax evasion and similar crimes.

He consciously tried to subvert James Comey in order to obstruct an investigation.

His wife hates him.

Hmmmmm— what else?




Fart.........

epoxyboy
07-28-2017, 02:00 AM
Fart.........
So why do you think he's acting scared, Jack?
If there is nothing to hide, why is he squirming so hard?

Pete

skuthorp
07-28-2017, 02:07 AM
Because he has no control of what is happening around him for a start. I am with the psychopath theory, he has no actual recognition of the situation other than he is not in control.

beernd
07-28-2017, 02:39 AM
"...he'd still be above average compared to other politicians"

Because he's tall?

Nah. because he has the baddest hair of em all :d

jack grebe
07-28-2017, 08:21 AM
So why do you think he's acting scared, Jack?
If there is nothing to hide, why is he squirming so hard?

Pete

It is nothing more than illusion . Fear is an emotion, emotions are human.
Trump is not.

Osborne Russell
07-28-2017, 08:25 AM
I'm sure he knows, at his core, that he's a fraud.

And that's what bites the hardest. It's his ego vs. the accumulated learning of homo sapiens.

peb
07-28-2017, 09:23 AM
Because he has no control of what is happening around him for a start. I am with the psychopath theory, he has no actual recognition of the situation other than he is not in control.
I am not for sure the definition of a psychopath, but he is certainly an extreme narcissist. Being president brings out the worse. His whole life has been about him, and due to his wealth and fame, he was able to function somewhat. As president, a lot is really about him, it's not just in his mind. So everything someone says or does that he perceives as negative consumes his whole mind. Then it snowballs. I suspect he is almost unbearable to be around right now.

Keith Wilson
07-28-2017, 09:43 AM
I suspect that for most of his life he's been almost unbearable to be around. Can you imagine working with the guy? (shudders)

Bobcat
07-28-2017, 09:47 AM
I am not for sure the definition of a psychopath, but he is certainly an extreme narcissist. Being president brings out the worse. His whole life has been about him, and due to his wealth and fame, he was able to function somewhat. As president, a lot is really about him, it's not just in his mind. So everything someone says or does that he perceives as negative consumes his whole mind. Then it snowballs. I suspect he is almost unbearable to be around right now.

Well put

David G
07-28-2017, 10:08 AM
I am not for sure the definition of a psychopath, but he is certainly an extreme narcissist. Being president brings out the worse. His whole life has been about him, and due to his wealth and fame, he was able to function somewhat. As president, a lot is really about him, it's not just in his mind. So everything someone says or does that he perceives as negative consumes his whole mind. Then it snowballs. I suspect he is almost unbearable to be around right now.

I assume you mean 'worst'... and that's just a type. But I'd say instead something like what Obama said. Being president doesn't make you into something so much as it amplifies who you already are. Which, to be fair, in D.Tramp's case, means bringing out the nastiness.

Chip-skiff
07-28-2017, 12:53 PM
Now that the Republicans in the Senate failed repeatedly to pass any sort of health care repeal (replace, repudiate, regurgigate, whatever) Trump knows that he can't depend on congress to save his arse in the event he's impeached.

KMacDonald
07-28-2017, 01:01 PM
A lot of business leaders a narcissists if not psychopaths. It's not always a dirty word.

TomF
07-28-2017, 01:02 PM
I assume you mean 'worst'... and that's just a type. But I'd say instead something like what Obama said. Being president doesn't make you into something so much as it amplifies who you already are. Which, to be fair, in D.Tramp's case, means bringing out the nastiness.Acton might amend that ... to suggest that all that power would expose one's existing weakest link.

I agree with Obama, though I'd temper it with Acton. Over the long term, power is corrosive. There's a reason that Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel were considered "wise;" they refused the Ring.

TomF
07-28-2017, 01:04 PM
A lot of business leaders a narcissists if not psychopaths. It's not always a dirty word.No, it always is a dirty word. It's why Teddy Roosevelt set out to regulate Capitalism, and a series of Presidents thereafter followed his good lead.

Keith Wilson
07-28-2017, 01:12 PM
A lot of business leaders are narcissists if not psychopaths. It's not always a dirty word.It sure as hell is. A lot of human beings are total sh!ts, but no need to them defend them. Unfortunately, many leaders in both business and politics do a huge amount of damage; historical examples abound.

LeeG
07-28-2017, 02:10 PM
William Browder is at Senate hearings now. Just guessing Donald is scared that his mighty manly business empire is just a two bit operation enjoying some income from a few Russian oligarchs moving money around.

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/13/537082081/businessman-bill-browder-details-dealings-with-russian-lawyer-tied-to-trump

https://www.c-span.org/video/?431852-1/william-browder-overturning-magnitsky-act-putins-top-priority

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/7/27/1684477/-William-Browder-is-testifying-before-Judiciary-Committee-right-now-explosive-testimony

William Browder, CEO of the Hermitage Capital Management Company and employer of Sergei Magnitsky, the murdered auditor who uncovered Russian corruption, is testifying before the Judiciary Committee and is exposing the Russian methods of infiltrating governments.

His testimony is damning regarding the meeting between Trump, Jr and Trump, himself. He flatly stated that when they claimed the meetings were about “adoption”, that children were NOT the focus… it was about the attempt to remove Russian oligarchs from the sanctions list in the Magnitsky Act.

https://www.csce.gov/international-impact/events/kleptocrats-kremlin-ties-between-business-and-power-russia

KMacDonald
07-28-2017, 02:18 PM
It sure as hell is. A lot of human beings are total sh!ts, but no need to them defend them. Unfortunately, many leaders in both business and politics do a huge amount of damage; historical examples abound.

I expected Toms response but figured you were more knowledgeable. It's a trait actively sought by Board of Directors looking for CEO's.

Keith Wilson
07-28-2017, 02:23 PM
It's a trait actively sought by Board of Directors looking for CEO's.That explains a lot. Personality disorders, much less sociopathy, do NOT make one a better leader of anything.

TomF
07-28-2017, 02:30 PM
I expected Toms response but figured you were more knowledgeable. It's a trait actively sought by Board of Directors looking for CEO's.Douglas' Gordon Gekko made a lot of money, in Wall Street. Jack Nicholson's Colonel Jessup took a lot of actions to keep America "safe" in A Few Good Men too. But Kmac, neither fictional character was the "hero" of their film. Those guys were the villians, the "tragic warning figures" in films that were serious critiques of the parts of society they represented. But they were great examples of narcissists and sociopaths. That was the "tragic flaw," eh?

KMacDonald
07-28-2017, 02:36 PM
Douglas' Gordon Gekko made a lot of money, in Wall Street. Jack Nicholson's Colonel Jessup took a lot of actions to keep America "safe" in A Few Good Men too. But Kmac, neither fictional character was the "hero" of their film. Those guys were the villians, the "tragic warning figures" in films that were serious critiques of the parts of society they represented. But they were great examples of narcissists and sociopaths. That was the "tragic flaw," eh?

I wasn't referring to "heros". I was referring to "winners".

Keith Wilson
07-28-2017, 02:36 PM
Washington Monthly today: (source (http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/07/28/mueller-is-under-trumps-hood-and-its-making-him-crazy/)) Poor guy; he's always been able to skate over it before, but now he's in some seriously deep sh!t.


Mueller Is Under Trump’s Hood, and It’s Making Him Crazy
by Martin Longman July 28, 2017

Nick Penzenstadler and Steve Reilly of USA Today have a piece (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/27/russia-investigation-delves-into-trumps-most-guarded-business-secrets/515961001/) that will be seen in nearly every hotel, including Trump’s, in the entire country. It details the eleventy-billion ways that Donald Trump is made vulnerable by Robert Mueller’s investigation into his business practices.

It’s interesting to realize that Mueller could be perusing Trump’s personal and corporate tax returns right now, as well as Trump Corporation’s emails, without the president even being aware of it. I guess I had envisioned that Trump would be tipped off that Mueller was heading in that direction, but it appears that it can all be done through judges’ orders and without the need to go to Trump’s lawyers and accountants.

Knowing how Trump has run his businesses in the past, I know for a fact that he doesn’t dot his i’s or cross his t’s, so he must be losing his mind at the idea that the FBI is under his hood peaking around. He must be thinking “I’m the most powerful man in the world and I can’t even send my pitbull lawyers after my adversary!”

I think he’s basically in panic-mode at this point, and there might even be a small part of him who is worried about others beside himself. Like his children. His desperation to get Mueller dismissed is obvious, as is his sense of urgency. But, so far, all he’s done is build an obstruction of justice case against himself and tip off Congress so they can block him from making any moves. He can’t do anything but fume as the wheels of justice churn closer and closer. If he saw a way out, he wouldn’t be acting this way. But how long will we have to wait to see what is in store for the president?

Lew Barrett
07-28-2017, 02:36 PM
I didn't know he was scared, but if he is, I suspect this is the most correct guess.

I'm very disappointed that he has made so many stupid mistakes, but the schtick has been no surprise. :D

I think I agree with you and David. He knows precisely what and who the real Donald is. I think he is less scared than feeling really, really inadequate right about now. I suppose you might say though that above all else, he fears appearing inadequate. Could be a vicious circle!

But I'm hardly surprised. His run of mistakes, both peccadillos and doozies has been predicted after all. I think he's clever enough to distract us from the more important issues respecting his business relationships with the shiny less significant ones. Take most of the infighting at the WH which isn't news and is more like the way he "manages." I think he loves this sort of stuff with his aim being public visibility. He encourages internecine wars for obvious reasons. But focusing on them deflects from the real issues.

BDub, missed you in Detroit. There was a rumor you might have been there. Just a rumor though, probably from a leaker.

TomF
07-28-2017, 02:40 PM
I wasn't referring to "heros". I was referring to "winners".In those two films, the other guys won. The characters played by Sheen, and Cruise.

You don't like "winners" like them?

KMacDonald
07-28-2017, 02:43 PM
In those two films, the other guys won. The characters played by Sheen, and Cruise.

You don't like "winners" like them?

I recognize the difference between fact and fiction. Guess which one you are using as an example.

TomF
07-28-2017, 02:50 PM
I'm aware that movies are movies. I'm also aware that the reasons those movies were made included critiquing the ways the narcissist/sociopath "leaders" who periodically sit atop firms or military organizations initially look like they're doing what society wants and needs, while actually tearing apart the values which are the foundations of what makes the society admirable in the first place.

Short term gains are sometimes possible, using execrable leadership styles. But not long term stability and productivity.

KMacDonald
07-28-2017, 02:58 PM
I'm aware that movies are movies. I'm also aware that the reasons those movies were made included critiquing the ways the narcissist/sociopath "leaders" who periodically sit atop firms or military organizations initially look like they're doing what society wants and needs, while actually tearing apart the values which are the foundations of what makes the society admirable in the first place.

Short term gains are sometimes possible, using execrable leadership styles. But not long term stability and productivity.

Don't mistake a nickel and dime story line for "critiquing" leadership. The comparison exists only in your mind.

Keith Wilson
07-28-2017, 03:19 PM
Narcissists and sociopaths all too often get themselves into leadership positions. It does not generally end well. That's one reason why the study of history is sometimes so depressing, and why stories of leaders brought down by their own tragic flaws are so common.

TomF
07-28-2017, 03:25 PM
A very brief saunter into the kind of leadership qualities which folks try to develop in virtually all of the major business schools would maybe proven enlightening, KMAC. One of the very basic, yet evidence-driven lessons taught in such places the world over is that the most successful businesses are the ones which have a superb grasp of how to develop a great human resources environment. And no, they don't do that through a CEO's narcissism, sociopathology, or bullying. Those are the characteristics of the firms with the least productive and sustainable workplace cultures, typically. Which shed staff more quickly, and have staff on average produce less value for shareholders.

Feel free to believe what you like, though. Why should actual evidence make a dent in this case, when it doesn't in any other? :D

Keith Wilson
07-28-2017, 03:30 PM
Has Mr. MacDonald really gone from defending Trump to actually defending Narcissistic Personality Disorder as a positive quality in a leader??? http://www.mikafanclub.com/uploads/emoticons/default_shocked118.gif

John of Phoenix
07-28-2017, 03:34 PM
" http://www.mikafanclub.com/uploads/emoticons/default_shocked118.gif "

You seem surprised. :)

TomF
07-28-2017, 03:41 PM
You see over in the other thread that this afternoon, in remarks to Long Island law enforcement officers, Trump spoke approvingly of roughing up perps as they're put into paddywagons? Of being careful NOT to protect their heads, as they were "thrown" into the vehicle to be taken into custody?

Yeah, and the LEOs laughed and applauded. Sky Blue will be along soon to tell us that it was all in good fun, and after all, it's not like Law Enforcement Officers are Boy Scouts or anything.

KMacDonald
07-28-2017, 03:57 PM
We've come to expect that of law enforcement. The "law" protects law enforcement at all costs.

KMacDonald
07-28-2017, 03:59 PM
A very brief saunter into the kind of leadership qualities which folks try to develop in virtually all of the major business schools would maybe proven enlightening, KMAC. One of the very basic, yet evidence-driven lessons taught in such places the world over is that the most successful businesses are the ones which have a superb grasp of how to develop a great human resources environment. And no, they don't do that through a CEO's narcissism, sociopathology, or bullying. Those are the characteristics of the firms with the least productive and sustainable workplace cultures, typically. Which shed staff more quickly, and have staff on average produce less value for shareholders.

Feel free to believe what you like, though. Why should actual evidence make a dent in this case, when it doesn't in any other? :D

That's why those professors are teaching, not leading. Colleges are about the most prejudiced, liberal institutions on earth. I think one thread said 26:1 ratio of liberal to conservative in the northeast colleges. That's just not a realistic representation of society. Almost as bad as the bilge.

KMacDonald
07-28-2017, 04:08 PM
Has Mr. MacDonald really gone from defending Trump to actually defending Narcissistic Personality Disorder as a positive quality in a leader??? http://www.mikafanclub.com/uploads/emoticons/default_shocked118.gif

Well, as an investor, I follow some CEO's that are much closer to schizophrenic than having Narcissistic Personality Disorder but have a track record of "enhancing shareholder value". If you call that "defending" I plead guilty.

TomF
07-28-2017, 04:29 PM
What those profs are doing, is observing how companies work, and noting what is in common among the ones that do best, and do worse.

Agree though that being an academic and being a leader are different skill sets. That observation supports the unique strengths of either.

skuthorp
07-28-2017, 04:43 PM
Well, as an investor, I follow some CEO's that are much closer to schizophrenic than having Narcissistic Personality Disorder but have a track record of "enhancing shareholder value". If you call that "defending" I plead guilty.
I keep thinking of Bonhoffer.