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  • mdh
    Banned
    • Oct 2004
    • 6665

    Not Kansas



    Junk? For 15 billion? Nationally we're 20 trillion in debt, and trying to give away free healthcare and free college and ...
  • skuthorp
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2002
    • 73600

    #2
    Re: Not Kansas

    There's a banned word beginning with the same letter as Ford that comes to mind………………….

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    • CWSmith
      New Hampshire
      • Nov 2008
      • 43996

      #3
      Re: Not Kansas

      Originally posted by skuthorp
      There's a banned word beginning with the same letter as Ford that comes to mind………………….
      I think I know that word. There is a second word that sounds like a letter in the alphabet?
      "Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world." - Bono

      "Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." - Will Rogers

      "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

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      • skuthorp
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2002
        • 73600

        #4
        Re: Not Kansas



        thoroughly…………….

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        • CK 17
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2002
          • 9374

          #5
          Re: Not Kansas

          Like Kansas, Illinois problem has more to due with malfeasance of a republican governor. Then next election will fix the problem. a fair tax increase on the governors friends will fix this.

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          • mdh
            Banned
            • Oct 2004
            • 6665

            #6
            Re: Not Kansas

            Originally posted by CK 17
            Like Kansas, Illinois problem has more to due with malfeasance of a republican governor. Then next election will fix the problem. a fair tax increase on the governors friends will fix this.
            That's not really the problem, is it. He's been in office for two years, and the legislature hasn't been able to pass a budget during that time.

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            • oznabrag
              Historical Illiterate
              • Nov 2008
              • 40761

              #7
              Re: Not Kansas

              Have you figured out yet that Mexico has Universal Single Payer health insurance?
              Rattling the teacups.

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              • mdh
                Banned
                • Oct 2004
                • 6665

                #8
                Re: Not Kansas

                Off topic, but have you ever been to an emergency room?

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                • Norman Bernstein
                  Liberaltarian
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 25217

                  #9
                  Re: Not Kansas

                  Originally posted by mdh
                  Off topic, but have you ever been to an emergency room?
                  I certainly have... But fortunately, I have always paid for good health insurance, and had to pay only a small co-payment. Those without it, get it with a bill that they often can't pay...and then the taxpayers pay the costs, while the patient risks bankruptcy.

                  Example: my wife fell and fractured two fingers. An X-Ray and less than 5 minutes with an orthopedist in the emergency room cost $1560.

                  yup, it's a great health care system we have here in the US, isn't it?
                  "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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                  • mdh
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 6665

                    #10
                    Re: Not Kansas

                    I guess nobody from Illinois here.

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                    • Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
                      I fix stuff.
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 10222

                      #11
                      Re: Not Kansas

                      Do like Jerry Brown. Get it over with quick. Don't just cut services OR raise taxes, do both. Get the crisis over with as quickly as possible. Like in the Art of War, ask for everyone up front, once. Don't go back a second time. Leave some margin, the worst that happens is that you get in the black ahead of schedule. Do that, and before the businesses can flee the state, the crisis will be over, state services will be restored, and businesses like a functioning state. Jerry Brown has been widely lampooned over the decades, but he's been the most fiscally responsible governor in CA's history, and gotten the state out of not one, but two fiscal jams. The conservatives said he couldn't do it, and raising taxes would be a disaster. He did it, righted the ship quick. Learn from it.
                      sigpic When you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.

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                      • David G
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 89687

                        #12
                        Re: Not Kansas

                        No... not Kansas. Louisiana. But very similar. Both failures --



                        In 2012, there seemed a bright future for the two tax-cutting social conservatives in statehouses in Kansas and Louisiana: Sam Brownback and Bobby Jindal.

                        The rest of the story is well-known here about Jindal and his unsuccessful run for the presidency, and a decline in local popularity because of his lack of focus on his own state. Having cut taxes and given away record amounts of corporate benefits in the name of economic development, Jindal's embrace of voodoo economics eventually took its toll, and state budget collapses became a scandal in Baton Rouge.

                        The political impact on Jindal was substantial.
                        Now, it is Brownback's turn.

                        In 2012, Brownback approved sweeping tax cuts. The plan was associated in national politics with an ill-judged phrase, the "real live experiment" in voodoo economics. Kansas had no redeeming oil and gas industry to provide it a lift for revenues, as Jindal had in Louisiana; oil prices of $100 a barrel and Jindal's generous taking of President Barack Obama's stimulus aid postponed his day of reckoning.

                        The Kansas Legislature, mostly Republicans, has now pulled the plug on the Brownback lab. The reason: It failed to spur job growth and resulted in cuts to public agencies, sales tax increases and a deepening deficit.
                        Among other giant tax cuts, the Brownback plan exempted taxes for LLCs, the common small-business organizations. “That was a significant amount of money the state lost in revenue,” Maria Koklanaris, a senior reporter with Tax Analysts, a nonpartisan tax publishing news service, told the Topeka Capital-Journal.

                        Perhaps President Donald Trump, who has floated similar ideas as part of "tax reform" at the federal level, will take notice of the Brownback debacle.
                        Having overridden a Brownback veto to restore the state to stability, now the state must pick up the pieces. Just as Gov. John Bel Edwards has had to deal with the consequences of Jindalnomics, the state of Kansas is now in recovery.

                        The Topeka newspaper quoted a national expert on the longer-lasting impacts of the Brownback experiment. Michael Leachman, director of state fiscal research with the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal think tank, said that states get it wrong when they decide to cut tax rates at the expense of services that promote long-term growth.

                        “The notion you could eliminate your income tax is forgetting you’re taking that money from schools and from people in the state,” he said. “You can’t get back those kids’ elementary school years. That brings home the impact of these policy choices we make.”

                        Leachman stressed the importance of investing in education and infrastructure, because those drive innovation and entrepreneurship in a state, and therefore develop the economy.
                        Louisiana's colleges and universities losing faculty to national competitors, its roads crumbling, its social services frayed and inefficient — all are legacies of voodoo economics in our state.
                        David G
                        Harbor Woodworks
                        https://www.facebook.com/HarborWoodworks/

                        "It was a Sunday morning and Goddard gave thanks that there were still places where one could worship in temples not made by human hands." -- L. F. Herreshoff (The Compleat Cruiser)

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                        • Shang
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2000
                          • 10021

                          #13
                          Re: Not Kansas

                          Originally posted by mdh
                          Off topic, but have you ever been to an emergency room?
                          And have you ever needed medical care while traveling in a civilized country--Belgium for example.
                          We did. Two office visits, medical services, and Rx drugs. Total less than ten US$ .

                          Civilized people recognize that health care is a right of all persons.

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                          • Canoez
                            Did I say that out loud?
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 20611

                            #14
                            Re: Not Kansas

                            Originally posted by mdh
                            I guess nobody from Illinois here.
                            TANSTAAFL. Gotta pay for it.
                            "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
                            -William A. Ward

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                            • S.V. Airlie
                              Ancient Mariner
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 63914

                              #15
                              Re: Not Kansas

                              Originally posted by Canoez
                              TANSTAAFL. Gotta pay for it.
                              Not in the emergency room. THE Key word here is IN.

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