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Jim Mahan
06-10-2017, 08:46 AM
Trump Says He Is '100 Percent' Willing To Testify About Interactions With Comey.

From NPR: http://www.npr.org/2017/06/09/532273772/trump-says-he-is-100-percent-willing-to-testify-about-interactions-with-comey

Of course he is. It won't matter to him at all if he's under oath, not the consequences, ramifications, bad optics. The only thing trmp cares about is the tv coverage. He is already convinced that this lie will go over just exactly as well as everything else he has ever said.

So now, officially, his lies will constitute purgery. And when that indictment is read, he will want to hold a rally, and claim both houses of congress, the DoJ and seventeen other domestic and foreign intelligence agencies, former presidents, secretaries of state, the entire free press of the democratic world—are all lying. Then he will want to sue. And then he will want to appeal.

And then he will want a tall glass of ice water, but then, so do all the rest of his cohort in hell.

It might actually be interesting to see if there is a dawning in his reptilian cortex, and the existentially fraught cognitive dissonance he experiences, maybe, when it finally sinks in that he isn't getting away with it. He didn't really win after all.Fake president. So sad.
Not to mention that when this whorey, hoary, legal saga unfolds circuslike, reality-teevee-like, for the next few years, everyone will get to know the exact extent of his 'empire.' The tax returns will be wall-papered in the press.

McMike
06-10-2017, 08:49 AM
He won't because he then puts himself under oath and since he has no filter on his mouth, he will damn himself. I personally hope it happens, it will be pure entertainment.

CWSmith
06-10-2017, 08:50 AM
In the campaign he initially said he would release his taxes, then his lawyers would not allow it (he said). I expect something similar will happen here.

McMike
06-10-2017, 08:52 AM
Yup, smoke and mirrors. When will his devout see what a fake he is? How blindly ignorant or blatantly malicious they are.

S.V. Airlie
06-10-2017, 09:03 AM
He won't because he then puts himself under oath and since he has no filter on his mouth, he will damn himself. I personally hope it happens, it will be pure entertainment.He's said he would publicly, if he doesn't that says a lot even to his supporters. It's not like not making his tax returns available.

I just expect, "I don't remember!" answers.

McMike
06-10-2017, 09:10 AM
He has lied to much greater degrees before and his supporters don't care. They simply want to burn the whole place down, they don't care that they have lost all of their integrity and honor. They simply want their way or nothing at all.

Joe (SoCal)
06-10-2017, 09:25 AM
If you listen to his full response he seems to get the whole "Under Oath" thing fouled up. He starts off by saying he would testify "Under Oath" then he pivots to "Why would I ask Comey to take an oath" He's a befuddled narcissistic idiot who double speaks enough to give himself an out from his lies.

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,”

That's like Don Corleone saying I "hope" you pay the vig, cause I would hate to see anything nasty happen to you, ya folla ;)

TomF
06-10-2017, 09:27 AM
He's been building the base's tolerance to the drug. Their willingness to cut him slack that they'd have killed their teenaged daughters' would-be suitors over.

Perjury will occur if Trump testifies under oath, but for his base and his surrogates it won't matter. They've gone too far, and what would have prompted a revolt will now be a survivable storm.

ron ll
06-10-2017, 09:45 AM
If you listen to his full response he seems to get the whole "Under Oath" thing fouled up. He starts off by saying he would testify "Under Oath" then he pivots to "Why would I ask Comey to take an oath" He's a befuddled narcissistic idiot who double speaks enough to give himself an out from his lies.

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,”

That's like Don Corleone saying I "hope" you pay the vig, cause I would hate to see anything nasty happen to you, ya folla ;)

Although it doesn't excuse Trump, I think in that particular exchange the reporter asking the question mixed up the pronouns. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but I think I heard the reporter ask, "Did he ask you for a pledge of loyalty?" And Trump said, "No he did not." I may be wrong, I may have misheard it.

Joe (SoCal)
06-10-2017, 09:51 AM
Although it doesn't excuse Trump, I think in that particular exchange the reporter asking the question mixed up the pronouns. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but I think I heard the reporter ask, "Did he ask you for a pledge of loyalty?" And Trump said, "No he did not." I may be wrong, I may have misheard it.

No there was a subtle irrotational pivot on Trumps part. He said Why would I ask Comey to pledge his loyalty UNDER OATH"

Old Dryfoot
06-10-2017, 09:58 AM
Oh, let it be so! He has not done well on the stand in the past. . .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-lies/

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?212571-Trump-admits-his-lies-in-court

Jim Mahan
06-10-2017, 10:07 AM
The notion of there needing to be both 'high crimes and misdemeanors' and a willing R constitutent for a majority in the house, is not incorrect. UNTIL the official perjury, the lies under oath. This is not a civil case requiring only a proponderance of evidence and distribution of guilt. There will be no plea of no contest, either. Perjury before Congress IS a felony and MUST be the basis of an indictment, which WILL have to be finally resolved in front of a jury. Guess who will have a majority on any fairly and duly constituted jury?

I wonder if the Senate can veto a President pro tem over a pardon for a freshly convicted former-but-now-officially-illigitemate-president. He will have been convicted, by verdict in a federal court [soon] wherein it was officially concluded by whichever appropriate agency that his presidency can not be recognized as valid, that all his actions and executive orders while falsely occupying the office will be abrogated. Will there be any doubt in anyone's mind whether he then deserves the courtesy of office?

He should be wearing an orange jumpsuit and hanging out in the exercise yard with Bernie Madoff. And Tillerson and Flynn and Sessions and the other faux cabinet holding billionaire democraclastic wannabe plutocratic traitors.

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Were Volodya Putin in the criminal hot seat for this, were an investigation with proper jurisdiction zeroing in, I would not be surprised should there be a dramatic, patriot-baiting terror incident, in Washington D.D. to make 911 seem like a picinc. One for which Daesh won't be claiming credit, but they might get the blame.

oznabrag
06-10-2017, 10:23 AM
Yes, Jim. I think you are right.
What happens when Trump's collusion can no longer be ignored?
Do we re-boot the election?
Dear God, do we have to endure anotber round of Hillary' s campaigning?

Canoeyawl
06-10-2017, 10:43 AM
The orange jumpsuit will compliment his complexion

delecta
06-10-2017, 11:27 AM
At some point in time will you realize that Trump is smart like a fox and your are the rodent he is about to eat?

S.V. Airlie
06-10-2017, 11:36 AM
At some point in time will you realize that Trump is smart like a fox and your are the rodent he is about to eat?Not as smart as he thinks he is but, if you think so, by all means, believe it. Al Capone ended up in jail for a small oversight.

FishoutaFlorida
06-10-2017, 11:38 AM
Not to mention that when this whorey, hoary, legal saga unfolds circuslike, reality-teevee-like, for the next few years, everyone will get to know the exact extent of his 'empire.' The tax returns will be wall-papered in the press.

Couldn't have said it better Jim!

oznabrag
06-10-2017, 11:51 AM
At some point in time will you realize that Trump is smart like a fox and your are the rodent he is about to eat?

At some point in time, will you realize that a POTUS who sets about to eat his constituents is a traitor to the Constitution?

John Smith
06-10-2017, 12:08 PM
Yes, Jim. I think you are right.
What happens when Trump's collusion can no longer be ignored?
Do we re-boot the election?
Dear God, do we have to endure anotber round of Hillary' s campaigning?

That begs the question of how long the GOP will ignore any/all of this if they think they can get their agenda through.

Trump makes many promises, and keeps few. His idea of doing something 'soon' seems to be the second Tuesday of next week,

Not only have we not yet seen the promised tax returns, we haven't yet seen proof his wife is here legally.

Just add it to the list.

Jim Bow
06-10-2017, 12:21 PM
https://youtu.be/-95QqBXLG2I

Joe (SoCal)
06-10-2017, 12:28 PM
At some point in time will you realize that Trump is smart like a fox and your are the rodent he is about to eat?

and you are the Sheep

https://i.redd.it/wp8cgsfhz0hx.jpg

LeeG
06-10-2017, 12:36 PM
"No collusion, no collusion, you're the puppet, you're the puppet"

CWSmith
06-10-2017, 12:43 PM
"No collusion, no collusion, you're the puppet, you're the puppet"

His followers are following on emotion and not logic. They don't really know what to say because nothing has been explained to them by the people they believe. So, that's the best you can get from them.

Osborne Russell
06-10-2017, 01:04 PM
If you listen to his full response he seems to get the whole "Under Oath" thing fouled up. He starts off by saying he would testify "Under Oath" then he pivots to "Why would I ask Comey to take an oath" He's a befuddled narcissistic idiot who double speaks enough to give himself an out from his lies.

“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go,”

That's like Don Corleone saying I "hope" you pay the vig, cause I would hate to see anything nasty happen to you, ya folla ;)

Of course.


Senator Jim Risch, Republican of Idaho, responded to Mr. Comey, “You may have taken it as a direction, but that’s not what he said.” Mr. Risch also suggested that no one had ever been prosecuted for obstruction of justice based on saying, “I hope.”

In fact, there have been several cases showing it is possible to obstruct justice using those words. In a 2008 case involving a man who had pleaded guilty to bank robbery, the Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, in St. Louis, upheld a judge’s decision to impose a longer sentence because the man had also obstructed justice by telling his girlfriend, a potential witness, “I hope and pray to God you didn’t say anything about a weapon.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/us/politics/trump-legal-comey-hearing.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article

Wrong again, Republican-san.


Here, sufficient circumstantial evidence existed to allow a rational jury to conclude that he was concerned about a grand jury investigating his relationship with Sysy and acted with the intent to impede that investigation. On July 8, after receiving the first phone call from Mazzei, Bedoy told Sysy, "I[`m] just hoping you haven't told anyone anything.... Like, ya know, talking or anything like that. Just don't ah ya know?"

http://www.leagle.com/decision/In%20FCO%2020160630191/U.S.%20v.%20BEDOY

Osborne Russell
06-10-2017, 01:06 PM
His followers are following on emotion and not logic. They don't really know what to say because nothing has been explained to them by the people they believe. So, that's the best you can get from them.

Exactly ! It's like, a parrot says, "no collusion!" and you ask him what he means.

Jim Mahan
06-10-2017, 01:18 PM
That begs the question of how long the GOP will ignore any/all of this if they think they can get their agenda through.


How I think it may play out: the legal threshold to indict for obstruction is already just now passed. The investigation will not stop at that; they are just getting started. There will be subpoenas and testiimony and inevitably it will lead to the obvious charge of treason and the trmp contingent, each and everyone including Kushner, will get flushed out and pinned down and train will keep on pulling until the Rs couldn't elect a dogcatcher, let alone another speaker of the house. Well half a dozen convictions at least.

The point is that what will eventually be revealed, as the investigation gets to the heart of the matter, will be so obviously egregious and repugnant to America, land of laws and moral rectitude, no one, not any person smart enough to fill in a ballot, will be in support of the orange disaster. trmp will finally be as reviled as he so richly deserves, by more people than hate Nixon and Hitler, together. When he goes, the vote in the house will unanymous. Because the impeachment will be in parallel with the criminal process brought by the DoJ.


Maybe.

skuthorp
06-10-2017, 05:33 PM
"The point is that what will eventually be revealed, as the investigation gets to the heart of the matter, will be so obviously egregious and repugnant to America, land of laws and moral rectitude, no one, not any person smart enough to fill in a ballot, will be in support of the orange disaster."

Good luck with that Jim, I'm not at all sure that it isn't so irreparably broken that the system of checks and balances are not also corrupted.

TomF
06-10-2017, 06:14 PM
Thing is, as I just saw on a CNN piece, it is like folks were watching different hearings. There will be no criminal charges even, prosecuted and judged by any existing official, which will not be seen through partisan glasses - at least by the Trumpers. A conviction is evidence of corruption, and the need for what amounts to a coup. In contrast, I think that a slim majority of the not Trumpers would at least accept a court decision as due process, even if the judicial result is as baffling and opposed to common sense as, for instance, the killings of black men by police sparking so much anger in recent years.

I dunno if there is a any back, now that trust in even the institutions and trust in a shared body of facts is so lost.

Arizona Bay
06-10-2017, 06:25 PM
Thing is, as I just saw on a CNN piece, it is like folks were watching different hearings. There will be no criminal charges even, prosecuted and judged by any existing official, which will not be seen through partisan glasses - at least by the Trumpers. A conviction is evidence of corruption, and the need for what amounts to a coup. In contrast, I think that a slim majority of the not Trumpers would at least accept a court decision as due process, even if the judicial result is as baffling and opposed to common sense as, for instance, the killings of black men by police sparking so much anger in recent years.

I dunno if there is a any back, now that trust in even the institutions and trust in a shared body of facts is so lost.

VLD PTN has achieved his goal of undermining trust in our institutions, and our system of government, no matter what we do.
And the so called "Patriots" are helping him.

I wouldn't be surprised if voter turnout for the next election was lower... I hope not.

LeeG
06-10-2017, 07:42 PM
From a year ago. it should be pretty easy for a prosecutor to walk him through some doublespeak and lies.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tedlieu/status/873342584806031360?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F20 17%2F6%2F10%2F1670589%2F-Trump-with-a-long-record-of-lying-under-oath-says-he-will-tell-us-under-oath-that-Comey-lied

http://www.newsweek.com/mr-speaker-stop-trump-let-gop-lose-election-489797

I don’t believe Trump intended to incite his followers to shoot Clinton, but that is exactly his problem, the one I have seen since I first started covering him three decades ago. He just says things. His tongue moves so fast, it’s out the door before he’s out of bed. He says what he hopes is true. He attributes his biggest whoppers to anonymous others whispering things in his ears that no one else hears. (Many people are saying an Iranian scientist was killed because of Clinton’s emails; some people say Barack Obama’s birth certificate was a forgery; many people say he should host Meet the Press; a lot of people say a book of the Bible whose name he flubbed is called Two Corinthians rather than Second Corinthians.) He blusters and fumes and attacks when people challenge his nonsense, and he doesn’t even try to sound credible. He has spent too much time in business blustering, bullying and lying, and he isn’t about to stop now.That’s why anyone considering voting for Trump should read some of the depositions he has given over the years. Remember, this was testimony under oath. Either he consistently lies when under oath or his inability to recognize the truth is a symptom of a psychiatric disorder. I described in my previous letter to you how Trump lied in testimony before Congress. He explicitly stated he had held no discussions with anyone associated with Indian casinos about doing business with them...and then a congressman produced an affidavit, telephone records and letters proving that was a lie.