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isla
05-30-2017, 01:27 PM
You may remember the thread about Trump's historical non-event, ‘The River of Blood.’
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?222948-Bowling-Green-and-Atlanta-Massacres-now-the-River-of-Blood-site-at-his-golf-course&highlight=River+of+Blood

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/politics/in-renovation-of-golf-club-donald-trump-also-dressed-up-history.html

Well it seems that not only does the plaque celebrate an event that never happened, but also the coat of arms displayed on it is not Trump's, he stole it from another family.

It was granted by British authorities in 1939 to Joseph Edward Davies, the third husband of Marjorie Merriweather Post, the socialite who built the Mar-a-Lago resort that is now Mr. Trump’s cherished getaway.

Joseph D. Tydings, a Democrat and former United States senator from Maryland who is the grandson of Mr. Davies, learned that Mr. Trump was using the emblem, at least at Mar-a-Lago, when he visited the property. Mr. Trump had never asked permission.

Mr. Tydings, 89, was close to Ms. Post, his step-grandmother, whom he referred to as “Mommy-da.” He spent much of his youth at Mar-a-Lago. His grandfather, Mr. Davies, was a lawyer and diplomat, also serving as ambassador to Belgium and as a special envoy for President Harry S. Truman.

Mr. Tydings, who still practices law, said that several years ago he talked some of his cousins out of suing Mr. Trump, because he knew it would be an endless and costly exercise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/28/business/trump-coat-of-arms.html

Trump tried to use the same coat of arms to promote his Scottish golf courses, but this landed him in trouble in 2008 when the court of the Lord Lyon (the official heraldry office for Scotland) invoked a law dating back to 1672 - to warn him about using an unregistered logo.

It is a criminal offence under the ancient Scottish law to use an unauthorised crest.

He was also refused permission to trademark the logo in the UK, although it is trademarked in the US where the heraldic laws don't exist.

BrianY
05-30-2017, 01:32 PM
there's a passage in the article that sums up the situation quite nicely:


In the United States, the Trump Organization took Mr. Davies’s coat of arms for its own, making one small adjustment — replacing the word “Integritas,” Latin for integrity, with “Trump.”

S.V. Airlie
05-30-2017, 01:33 PM
Oh, I wish he had used it in Scotland at which time, he'd be recognized as the criminal he really is, in a real court of law. I mean, what could his excuse possibly be for using it?

Look at what one of the worst Mafia don was caught with, not big offenses but, tax evasion.

SKIP KILPATRICK
05-30-2017, 01:34 PM
Oh, the irony: replacing the word “Integritas,” Latin for integrity, with “Trump.”


ugh!!!!!

S.V. Airlie
05-30-2017, 01:50 PM
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/10/TRUMP_ARMS_DN01.jpg


Three chevronels are used to denote the sky, sand dunes and sea — the essential components of the [golf resort] site — and the double-sided eagle represents the dual nature and nationality of Trump’s heritage. The eagle clutches golf balls, making reference to the great game of golf, and the motto 'Numquam Concedere' is Latin for 'Never Give Up' — Trump's philosophy.

isla
05-30-2017, 02:01 PM
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/10/TRUMP_ARMS_DN01.jpg



Three chevronels are used to denote the sky, sand dunes and sea — the essential components of the [golf resort] site — and the double-sided eagle represents the dual nature and nationality of Trump’s heritage. The eagle clutches golf balls, making reference to the great game of golf, and the motto 'Numquam Concedere' is Latin for 'Never Give Up' — Trump's philosophy.




That is his new crest, which he was obliged to have created for use in Scotland when the other one was dismissed by the Lord Lyon. It's interesting that the double eagle is described by the Trump organization as 'representing the dual nature and nationality of Trump’s heritage', when according to Heraldry experts.. in heraldry and vexillology, the double-headed eagle is a charge associated with the concept of Empire. Most modern uses of the symbol are directly or indirectly associated with its use by the Roman/Byzantine Empire, whose use of it represented the Empire's dominion over the Near East and the West.

This is the 'stolen' one..

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/17/article-0-00545C7700000578-667_634x410.jpg

Glen Longino
05-30-2017, 02:06 PM
Let's face it, Trump lacks integrity, ethics, morality, and conscience.

S.V. Airlie
05-30-2017, 02:07 PM
That is his new crest, which he was obliged to have created for use in Scotland when the other one was dismissed by the Lord Lyon. It's interesting that the double eagle is described by the Trump organization as 'representing the dual nature and nationality of Trump’s heritage', when according to Heraldry experts.. in heraldry and vexillology, the double-headed eagle is a charge associated with the concept of Empire. Most modern uses of the symbol are directly or indirectly associated with its use by the Roman/Byzantine Empire, whose use of it represented the Empire's dominion over the Near East and the West.

This is the 'stolen' one..

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/01/17/article-0-00545C7700000578-667_634x410.jpgJust look at the Russian eagles and the Russian Empire under the czars.By the way, the above picture of Trump' coat of arms is really ugly. Beyond ugliness actually.

mikefrommontana
05-30-2017, 09:58 PM
Actually Trump's rendition of the Davies arms fails one very big rule of heraldry--the use of metal on metal (gold on silver). Garish in the least.

Compare to the to actual registered arms of Mr. Davies: http://www.myajc.com/rf/image_medium/Pub/p8/MyAJC/2017/05/29/Images/TRUMP_COAT_OF_ARMS_4%20(1).JPG

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

isla
05-31-2017, 03:48 AM
Actually Trump's rendition of the Davies arms fails one very big rule of heraldry--the use of metal on metal (gold on silver). Garish in the least.

Compare to the to actual registered arms of Mr. Davies: http://www.myajc.com/rf/image_medium/Pub/p8/MyAJC/2017/05/29/Images/TRUMP_COAT_OF_ARMS_4%20(1).JPG

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

Agreed. But Trump is a Grand Master of garish and fugly |:)

Canoeyawl
05-31-2017, 06:37 AM
Agreed. But Trump is a Grand Master of garish and fugly |:)

Combined with the plagiarism, bullying and cruelty it is deplorable how many remain in adoration, or perhaps that is just denial?