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James McMullen
05-27-2017, 06:07 PM
This article (http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-rhetoric-hurt-us-tourism-and-retail-2017-5?IR=T&r=US&IR=T) from that well-known liberal propaganda rag Business Insider keeps harping on the fact that travel to the US from other countries has substantially dropped off ever since Trump came in. This March had seen a decline of 16% since this same time last year, heralding the loss of billions of dollars to the economy. And now Market Watch (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/is-the-trump-slump-real-spending-on-tourism-in-the-us-slides-2017-03-16) and Frommer's (http://www.frommers.com/tips/miscellaneous/the-travel-press-is-reporting-the-trump-slump-a-devastating-drop-in-tourism-to-the-united-states) are piling on with more fake news about the "Trump Slump" in US destination tourism.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world continues to grow annually in tourism revenue without stop, over 6% annually globally--except for the US. It doesn't appear that the rest of the world has stopped traveling, they've just stopped wanting to visit the US as much.

After a solid year overseas, I'm traveling back to the US myself this summer, for a short visit, including both coasts and the middle. It'll be interesting to find out if I can see the impact, compared to last time I was in the States. I'll be in Portland, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Colorado, and NYC, so I should get a reasonably comprehensive snapshot of some of the civilized regions. Staying out of the South, of course. I've already had my fill of self-righteous, third-world theocracies after traveling in Indonesia this year.

LeeG
05-27-2017, 06:16 PM
"Staying out of the South, of course"

come again?


http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/27/the-man-accused-of-max-double-murder-is-a-portland-white-supremacist-who-delivered-nazi-salutes-and-racial-slurs-at-a-free-speech-rally-last-month/

James McMullen
05-27-2017, 06:24 PM
Hmm. . .it looks like foreign students are less and less likely to attend US universities now, too. This has a disproportionate financial impact, because these guys usually aren't getting scholarships and in-state tuition breaks, but rather are paying the full price. Travel Weekly cites a case where a mere 8% of the student body who come from foreign countries make up a good 20% of the revenue at one US college.
The current political climate marks the first time in years where foreign student enrollment has declined at all, let alone so drastically. It used to be considered pretty prestigious to travel overseas and get a degree from a US university. Almost overnight, it's no longer a popular choice.

Good job, Republicans. You own this one too.

James McMullen
05-27-2017, 06:28 PM
"Staying out of the South, of course"

come again?


http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/27/the-man-accused-of-max-double-murder-is-a-portland-white-supremacist-who-delivered-nazi-salutes-and-racial-slurs-at-a-free-speech-rally-last-month/

Touché, Lee. Looks like rightwing extremist scum have infected even Portlandia too. Great. Really looking forward to touring the US this summer now.

At least PDX is run by a weirdocracy instead of a fundamentalist Christian Taliban theocracy, bless their hearts.

LeeG
05-27-2017, 07:01 PM
Touché, Lee. Looks like rightwing extremist scum have infected even Portlandia too. Great. Really looking forward to touring the US this summer now.

At least PDX is run by a weirdocracy instead of a fundamentalist Christian Taliban theocracy, bless their hearts.

Sorry but extremism is not like a virus you get from others, like being a refugee from Syria means you carry a war/terrorist virus. That's what Trump appealed to. It's indigenous with a local interpretation. The South is a good place with a different history than the northwest.

Phillip Allen
05-27-2017, 07:44 PM
I think I see that the mud slides in California were cause by trump... :)

johnw
05-27-2017, 07:44 PM
This article (http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-rhetoric-hurt-us-tourism-and-retail-2017-5?IR=T&r=US&IR=T) from that well-known liberal propaganda rag Business Insider keeps harping on the fact that travel to the US from other countries has substantially dropped off ever since Trump came in. This March had seen a decline of 16% since this same time last year, heralding the loss of billions of dollars to the economy. And now Market Watch (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/is-the-trump-slump-real-spending-on-tourism-in-the-us-slides-2017-03-16) and Frommer's (http://www.frommers.com/tips/miscellaneous/the-travel-press-is-reporting-the-trump-slump-a-devastating-drop-in-tourism-to-the-united-states) are piling on with more fake news about the "Trump Slump" in US destination tourism.

Meanwhile, the rest of the world continues to grow annually in tourism revenue without stop, over 6% annually globally--except for the US. It doesn't appear that the rest of the world has stopped traveling, they've just stopped wanting to visit the US as much.

After a solid year overseas, I'm traveling back to the US myself this summer, for a short visit, including both coasts and the middle. It'll be interesting to find out if I can see the impact, compared to last time I was in the States. I'll be in Portland, Seattle, Salt Lake City, Colorado, and NYC, so I should get a reasonably comprehensive snapshot of some of the civilized regions. Staying out of the South, of course. I've already had my fill of self-righteous, third-world theocracies after traveling in Indonesia this year.

Yeah, Trump's sure changing the picture on our balance of payments.

Stop by the shop when you're in town.

oldsub86
05-27-2017, 08:17 PM
The exchange rate on the Canadian dollar has more to do with my reluctance to visit the USA than the current president does.
We are close to the border and usually visit ND almost monthly.
Unfortunately, my credit card statement for purchases in May of this year cost $1.41 Canadian for every $1 US that I spent.
At that rate, I won't be visiting Hawaii this winter even though it would be nice to do so.

Reynard38
05-27-2017, 08:23 PM
"Staying out of the South, of course"

come again?


http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/27/the-man-accused-of-max-double-murder-is-a-portland-white-supremacist-who-delivered-nazi-salutes-and-racial-slurs-at-a-free-speech-rally-last-month/


He won't be missed.

mdh
05-27-2017, 08:25 PM
The exchange rate on the Canadian dollar has more to do with my reluctance to visit the USA than the current president does.
We are close to the border and usually visit ND almost monthly.
Unfortunately, my credit card statement for purchases in May of this year cost $1.41 Canadian for every $1 US that I spent.
At that rate, I won't be visiting Hawaii this winter even though it would be nice to do so.

Blaspheme! You know it's because of Trump. Or healthcare. Or that Russia "thing". The strong dollar is merely a matter of some numbers; and a decimal point.

johnw
05-27-2017, 08:51 PM
The exchange rate on the Canadian dollar has more to do with my reluctance to visit the USA than the current president does.
We are close to the border and usually visit ND almost monthly.
Unfortunately, my credit card statement for purchases in May of this year cost $1.41 Canadian for every $1 US that I spent.
At that rate, I won't be visiting Hawaii this winter even though it would be nice to do so.


The exchange rate hasn't changed much since 2016, so that doesn't explain the fall in tourism.


https://encrypted.google.com/finance/chart?biw=1680&bih=910&q=CURRENCY:USDCAD&tkr=1&p=5Y&chst=vkc&chs=267x94&chsc=1&ei=aiwqWfm0MpS4jwOp-764BA

Against the Canadian dollar.


https://encrypted.google.com/finance/chart?&q=CURRENCY:USDEUR&tkr=1&p=5Y&chst=vkc&chs=267x94&chsc=1&ei=LSwqWeP6NciEjwOZ5LPABg

Against the Euro.

JimD
05-27-2017, 09:52 PM
Some Canadian school boards have banned school trips to the USA, presumably out of concern for how some of the students might be treated.

PeterSibley
05-27-2017, 10:46 PM
Hmm. . .it looks like foreign students are less and less likely to attend US universities now, too. This has a disproportionate financial impact, because these guys usually aren't getting scholarships and in-state tuition breaks, but rather are paying the full price. Travel Weekly cites a case where a mere 8% of the student body who come from foreign countries make up a good 20% of the revenue at one US college.
The current political climate marks the first time in years where foreign student enrollment has declined at all, let alone so drastically. It used to be considered pretty prestigious to travel overseas and get a degree from a US university. Almost overnight, it's no longer a popular choice.

Good job, Republicans. You own this one too.

Australian universities will be grateful .... we'll collect a lot of students scared of the New America.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-24/trump-policies-may-be-boosting-numbers-at-north-coast-uni/8466896

oznabrag
05-27-2017, 11:51 PM
He won't be missed.

And curses upon the grave of Willis Haviland Carrier.






:d

James McMullen
05-28-2017, 01:49 AM
I hope I'd be missed. . .but with the daily hail of bullets falling from the skies in all them good ol' towns that really take their Seconmendment Rights seriously, I don't care to risk it.

Peerie Maa
05-28-2017, 05:15 AM
I think I see that the mud slides in California were cause by trump... :)

Nope, probably caused by Weather Weirding, something Trump does not want to prevent.

Reynard38
05-28-2017, 05:15 AM
I hope I'd be missed. . .but with the daily hail of bullets falling from the skies in all them good ol' towns that really take their Seconmendment Rights seriously, I don't care to risk it.

Don't fret JM, you won't be. ;)

Peerie Maa
05-28-2017, 05:37 AM
It's good to know who your friends are. :rolleyes:

Dave Hadfield
05-28-2017, 07:26 AM
Same here about the Canadian/US exchange rate. Recently I ordered things for Drake, and it was worth my while to seek out new sources in Canada rather than order from my standard suppliers in the States.

Gerarddm
05-28-2017, 08:29 AM
Gonna hang around long enough to do Port Townsend?

Too Little Time
05-28-2017, 09:05 AM
... Market Watch (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/is-the-trump-slump-real-spending-on-tourism-in-the-us-slides-2017-03-16) ...
Market Watch offers 2 possible reasons. 1) Cost. 2) Political factors. Market Watch also offers up that LA has had 6 straight record breaking years of international tourists.

I would add that tourism may have been due for a correction. I don't see it as a big deal.

oznabrag
05-28-2017, 09:28 AM
Don't fret JM, you won't be. ;)

We'd never see him outside, if he did show up, sooooo . . .

James McMullen
05-29-2017, 04:27 AM
Gonna hang around long enough to do Port Townsend?
I'm afraid not. My years of doing that show are probably over for good. Unless the weather is really terrible, I'd rather spend my boating days on this side of the globe being out there, rather than stuck tied to the dock for half a week. Besides, that show is at least 1/2 powerboats. Yuck.

Vince Brennan
05-29-2017, 07:26 AM
I think I see that the mud slides in California were cause by trump... http://forum.woodenboat.com/images/smilies/icon7.pngLovely to see your grammar is still grimmer, that your rational thought processes are slower (as usual) and that the reason you remain on ignore is daily more apparent. (Sorry for all the "big words".)

mmd
05-29-2017, 08:23 AM
I am going to report two facts that I know, and am not interested in debating nor defending them - y'all take the information as you will, and do with it as you like, OK?

The current attitude to people not from the USA has had an impact on people that I know personally. In one instance, three couples (all middle-class white Canadians) have changed their vacation plans from a few weeks in the southern US to vacationing in Spain due to advice from US-citizen friends from the targeted vacation area who suggested that they would not be met with open arms and friendship by the locals in the areas that they were planning to stay because they were Canadian. In the second incident, a friend's daughter, a food scientist specializing in product development for a US company and based in New Hampshire, has quit her job and returned to Canada because of a sudden onset of constant challenges - some hinting at violent consequences - to her being a liberal foreigner taking an American job, by co-workers and acquaintances whom were avowed Trump supporters.

The social waters of the US may not yet be poisoned, but it seems that in some places it is starting to taste pretty bad. I have always held high opinion of Americans, and have had good personal and professional experiences there, but incidences such as those described above cause me concern. I do hope that the national mood down there becomes less belligerent and xenophobic, and soon.

James McMullen
05-30-2017, 04:07 AM
It's too bad, mmd, but I also have a few anecdotes of direct acquaintances who are avoiding the US this summer specifically because of the way the mood changed so quickly--some of them are even US citizens themselves, but of Asian or Indian descent. They don't want to risk getting hassled in the airport or the street, so they're staying here or going somewhere else instead.

johnw
05-30-2017, 12:16 PM
I recently bought a library from a couple who are moving to Scotland for as long as Trump is in office. Must be nice to be able to afford that.

Steve McMahon
05-30-2017, 12:30 PM
Personally I've declined two trips to suppliers since the crowning of Trump. One was a sales meeting in Houston, the other a training update in Tampa. Both were trips I have enjoyed many times in the past 30 years. The Houston one was an annual event. Both were always nice because they took place in the winter. As I told my boss: I just don't feel like hanging around major US airports or major US cites right now. That being said, driving across the border into smaller towns in Maine wouldn't bother me at all.

In a related story - Universities in Atlantic Canada have seen an almost doubling of foreign applications including from American students.

willmarsh3
05-30-2017, 01:12 PM
A few weeks ago I learned that a friend of mine's sister is moving back to Korea because of the "Trump thing".

Then I read this: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-time-to-plan-an-escape-route-for-you-and-your-money-from-trumpland-2017-05-26

When is the next incident like Gianforte's assault on a reporter going to happen?