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Steve McMahon
05-27-2017, 03:12 PM
We will soon have a new leader of the Conservative Party. Thankfully Kevin O'Leary has dropped out.

Old Dryfoot
05-27-2017, 03:22 PM
He never had a chance, he can't speak french. That's criterion one in Quebec. An Anglo leader could never carry the province.

Steve McMahon
05-27-2017, 03:24 PM
True, can Bernier speak fluent english?

Old Dryfoot
05-27-2017, 03:29 PM
:D

Seriously though.
I don't know that I've ever heard of the reverse being an issue, at least not on this side of the country.

Old Dryfoot
05-27-2017, 03:30 PM
As long as it's not what's her name. . . the evil one. She needs to go away.

Steve McMahon
05-27-2017, 03:32 PM
As long as it's not what's her name. . . the evil one. She needs to go away.

Assuming you mean Kelly Leich, I agree. Lisa Raitt might be ok though.

Chris Smith porter maine
05-27-2017, 03:33 PM
There was a bit here on NPR about liberals joining that party to try and influence the election of party chief.

Old Dryfoot
05-27-2017, 03:40 PM
Assuming you mean Kelly Leich, I agree. Lisa Raitt might be ok though.

Lisa Raitt would have been a fine choice, Rona Ambrose would have been a better one. A shame about that party constitution. ;) But yeah, no to Leitch.

Old Dryfoot
05-27-2017, 03:45 PM
There was a bit here on NPR about liberals joining that party to try and influence the election of party chief.

I don't recall hearing that, but there was some 'effort to influence' that was uncovered.

http://globalnews.ca/news/3318472/conservative-party-fraudulent-memberships-oleary/

JimD
05-27-2017, 03:55 PM
My only concern was O'Leary. With him gone I'll go back to ignoring the lot of them for the time being.

Steve McMahon
05-27-2017, 06:07 PM
Blizzard. 10 rounds of ballots and still no winner. At least Kelly Lietch is gone.

Steve McMahon
05-27-2017, 06:44 PM
Down to Bernie and Sheer the 13th ballot.

Steve McMahon
05-27-2017, 07:18 PM
Wow. Scheer on the 13th ballot. Too socially conservative for my taste, it will be interesting how this plays out in 2019.

Old Dryfoot
05-27-2017, 07:31 PM
Interesting. Bernier was the favorite by a long shot.

Sheer is younger than Trudeau. I wonder if they'll try to play that in the next election.

JimD
05-27-2017, 09:47 PM
Oh, well. Unfortunately, they couldn't all lose.

Dave Hadfield
05-28-2017, 07:31 AM
I wish him well. I hope he is a coherent and sensible person with the ability to lead, and communicate.

My natural philosophic stance is conservative, although I vote the person, not the party. I hope Scheer is credible.

Steve McMahon
05-28-2017, 02:17 PM
I wish him well. I hope he is a coherent and sensible person with the ability to lead, and communicate.

My natural philosophic stance is conservative, although I vote the person, not the party. I hope Scheer is credible.

I agree, I generally vote for the leader of the party regardless of how I feel about the local candidate. I too lean conservative, but have supported the Liberals ever since the merger with the reform party and the elimination of the progressive part. I fear that Scheer may be just a bit too social conservative for my taste, time will tell. It is nice to have some young leaders. It will be interesting to see what way the NDP go with their leadership search.

mmd
05-29-2017, 06:43 AM
http://thechronicleherald.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/mackinnon_toon_full/bm_cartoon/1705281rchr%202.jpg

Steve McMahon
05-29-2017, 03:28 PM
http://thechronicleherald.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/mackinnon_toon_full/bm_cartoon/1705281rchr%202.jpg

It is looking that way Michael, more of the same. After his first day all I have seen was attack Trudeau, no alternative policy of substance. BTW - good luck in your provincial election tomorrow. (I've met Jamie Bailey, and my daughter worked for him when he ran (destroyed) Credit Union Atlantic, it would be an understatement to say I don't trust him.)

TomF
05-29-2017, 03:36 PM
I wish him well. I hope he is a coherent and sensible person with the ability to lead, and communicate.

My natural philosophic stance is conservative, although I vote the person, not the party. I hope Scheer is credible.Canada needs a credible Conservative party, because no democracy does well with no effective grown-ups competing. I'm a bit worried by Scheer's comments since his election; trending too socially conservative for my taste - though clearly not for everyone's.

Frankly, I'm sorry that Rona Ambrose chose to act solely as a caretaker. She's done a fine job with the party in that interim role, and would have mounted a meaningful challenge.

Steve McMahon
05-29-2017, 04:18 PM
Frankly, I'm sorry that Rona Ambrose chose to act solely as a caretaker. She's done a fine job with the party in that interim role, and would have mounted a meaningful challenge.

On one hand I agree with you - Rona was a level headed leader that united the party. Unfortunately early on she was giving an interview where she stated that as leader of the opposition she felt her job was "to oppose." To me, that came across that she felt her job was to oppose everything, regardless if it was good or bad. I have a lot more respect when an opposition member actually supports legislation that is positive for the country as opposed to carte blanche opposition to anything presented by the party in power. Minority / coalition governments often look better than the left / right swing majority governments we tend to have.

mmd
05-29-2017, 04:26 PM
It should be an interesting election - everybody seems pissed at the incumbent Liberal (the teacher's strike and healthcare problems), mistrustful of the NDP because of their spectacular screw-ups last cycle (Yarmouth ferry, beginning of the Bluenose II clusterf**k), and wariness of the Conservatives (remembering how Harper messed up federally, and too many remember when the PC's owned elections in NS and acted entitled because of it). We even have a Green candidate who might make an impression and actually win a seat. We are indeed living in interesting times.

TomF
05-29-2017, 04:35 PM
Yeah, Nova Scotia goes to the polls when? Soon.

mmd
05-29-2017, 05:04 PM
Tomorrow.

JimD
05-29-2017, 05:55 PM
Meanwhile, on the west coast, the BC NDP and Greens have struck deal which I hope will mean the end of the Liberal government. I voted Green, so this is as good as we could hope for. Much better than I expected.

Steve McMahon
05-30-2017, 05:05 AM
Meanwhile, on the west coast, the BC NDP and Greens have struck deal which I hope will mean the end of the Liberal government. I voted Green, so this is as good as we could hope for. Much better than I expected.

That's interesting news. Good luck, I hope they can hold it together.

B_B
05-30-2017, 11:46 AM
Meanwhile, on the west coast, the BC NDP and Greens have struck deal which I hope will mean the end of the Liberal government...
Premier said she won't resign. May we all live in interesting times!

bob winter
05-30-2017, 11:50 AM
We will soon have a new leader of the Conservative Party. Thankfully Kevin O'Leary has dropped out.


That entire "race" was one of the most bizarre things I have ever seen. Where half the contenders came from is beyond me and most of them would have well advised to save the effort. As a party member, I have received more than enough emails from the pack of the candidates. Now I am receiving thank you emails which I hope will end soon. I have no idea of how Scheer managed to finally win but I am told most of his website dealing with his policy positions has been taken down, sort of interesting and maybe scary.

JimD
05-31-2017, 10:55 AM
Premier said she won't resign. May we all live in interesting times!The pundits are now saying she will table a budget offering everyone everything they want and let the NDP/Greens vote down her 'generous' offer. It appears Clark is saying she won't push for another election.

JimD
05-31-2017, 11:03 AM
And McNeil wins again in NS. Are we happy on the east coast?

mmd
05-31-2017, 12:28 PM
Not so much. The Liberal majority is scant, and open for attack if the PC's & NDP (strange bedfellows in the best of times) decide to cooperate with each other. McNeil has done some serious damage to the educational system, passing it off as trying to reduce the power of the teacher's union but actually cutting funding to schools, causing closures, curriculum reductions and overcrowding, and is doing the same thing to the healthcare system. However, it was a no-win situation; folks are not happy with the Liberal record in the recent past, everyone clearly remembers the truly abysmal performance last time with the NDP, and decades of Conservative rule in the past (coupled with the bad taste left by the federal Harper years) has left all but true-blue Tories disgruntled. I think that a lot of folks were hoping for a coalition government to rein in the more damaging ambitions of any one party rule scenario. Voter turnout was poor, abysmal by NS standards; I think it was something like 53%. Historically, Nova Scotians turn out to the tune of 70 - 80%.

TomF
05-31-2017, 12:39 PM
I hear you mmd, but the sole optimistic bit I'd suggest in response is that it's a very good thing IMO to stop a sequence of 1-term governments. In my experience at least, it takes the first 2 years for a new government to discover not only what the actual state of things is (compared with the carefully screened info they've had access to before), but to then develop ideas for the kinds of intervention to take to address those challenges. And then there's an election which will occur just when the pain from doing even a correct intervention is at its peak, and the return (assuming the intervention is successful) is still a year or two out at least.

Too many turnarounds of government in a row, and problems will grow rather than be managed, because nobody has the gumption to do hard policy changes and then lose. In most places, an administration's most effective work will happen early in their second term (assuming that they have a workable legislature).

JimD
05-31-2017, 12:40 PM
And back to the west coast it looks like the NDP government of Alberta is about to go head to head with the (likely) new NDP government of BC over the Kinder Morgan pipeline. Alberta's NDP insists on getting it built. BC's NDP insists it'll never happen on their watch. Nationally, Trudeau sides with Alberta.

TomF
05-31-2017, 12:44 PM
The pundits are now saying she will table a budget offering everyone everything they want and let the NDP/Greens vote down her 'generous' offer. It appears Clark is saying she won't push for another election.I understand what she's doing, but it's IMO unethical.

Clark has indeed won a plurality of seats, but only about 40% of the popular vote. If she tables a budget like that, she'll be daring the Greens (or I suppose some renegade NDs) to give up their stance on the pipeline. That's not really going to happen; instead this is a strategy to set herself up to win what she's hoping will be a fairly near-term election, betting on the collapse of an NDP/Green coalition.

mmd
05-31-2017, 01:36 PM
TomF, I agree with the requirement of a multiple-term government if the hard bits are to get worked on, providing that a.) the multiple-term government is palatable, and b.) their solutions are reasonable. It's a tough call. However, in the present situation, the provincial Libs are probably the best choice as long as they see the threat of a Tory/NDP cooperation, and the Tory/NDP can actually cooperate on a threat. I would not have liked a dominating Lib victory. In my area, the Next Big Question will be, what will McNeil do regarding the Cat ferry in Yarmouth? It is entering its second year of a two-year trial. I expect it to be cancelled due to its cost, because they contracted a much-too-large ship and Portland ME decided to disallow trucks landing in their city, eliminating a huge revenue stream for the operation. So, any of you New Englanders whom have been considering visiting NS via The Cat, this is the summer - the US dollar is worth $1.35 up here and the boat may not be here next year...

JimD
05-31-2017, 01:50 PM
I understand what she's doing, but it's IMO unethical.

Clark has indeed won a plurality of seats, but only about 40% of the popular vote. If she tables a budget like that, she'll be daring the Greens (or I suppose some renegade NDs) to give up their stance on the pipeline. That's not really going to happen; instead this is a strategy to set herself up to win what she's hoping will be a fairly near-term election, betting on the collapse of an NDP/Green coalition.I'd assume the NDP/Green is ready for Clark and will hold fast, defeat her, and form a government. At least I hope so. Clark would likely target a few weak links in the chain to tempt specific NDP members. At least that's what I'd do if I were her.

Steve McMahon
05-31-2017, 03:38 PM
Clark's speech was good in how she explained it was the proper way to transition the government and with precedent. The NDGP signing ceremony and their speeches and Q&A were also very well done. It will be interesting to see if they can do much more than delay the transmountain pipeline expansion. Personally I would rather see the energy east pipeline go ahead and the resource be refined in country instead of exported as raw product. Until we get off this awful stuff we should at least be using our own oil instead of buying middle east oil and exporting ours.

JimD
05-31-2017, 04:24 PM
... It will be interesting to see if they can do much more than delay the transmountain pipeline expansion. Personally I would rather see the energy east pipeline go ahead and the resource be refined in country instead of exported as raw product...Choose your poison, I guess. I'd rather not see us import from Saudi Arabia and Nigeria, too. So I'd rather see Alberta dilbit go east but I'd bet Trudeau would prefer the lesser political nightmare of forcing KM transmountain on BC, which I personally oppose.

mmd
06-01-2017, 08:30 AM
Last comment on the NS provincial elections (from me, at least) comes from the editorial cartoonist for the Halifax Chronicle-Herald, whom is a favourite of mine. The reference to doctors is regarding the Liberal government's seeming inability to attract and retain doctors in the hinterlands (anyplace outside of metro Halifax).

http://thechronicleherald.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/mackinnon_toon_full/bm_cartoon/Bruce%2006%2001%202017%20RGB.jpg

TomF
06-01-2017, 08:50 AM
Not an easy problem to solve, that issue of physicians in rural areas. Be glad you're not Newfoundland and Labrador.

Old Dryfoot
06-01-2017, 09:00 AM
It's a country wide problem, we have the same issue here wrt rural doctors.

TomF
06-01-2017, 09:09 AM
Of course - and why would it not be?

Steve McMahon
06-01-2017, 09:58 AM
Not an easy problem to solve, that issue of physicians in rural areas. Be glad you're not Newfoundland and Labrador.

Actually..... we anticipated a problem when we moved here, but it was not the case. We were able to get a doctor and dentist right away with no issues, and the wait times for appointments are minimal, often same day. For specialized consultation like the Diabetic Clinic for my wife, we go to the local medical center and do video conferencing with the specialists. What you will have a hard time finding here is a North American born and trained Doctor.