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Lew Barrett
05-03-2017, 12:11 PM
He gets nothing right. Nada. Zip. Niente.

NYT adds adds 308,000 digital subscribers in Q1. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/new-york-times-adds-308000-digital-subscription-in-1q/2017/05/03/7127e4c8-3014-11e7-a335-fa0ae1940305_story.html?utm_term=.43c17f4e0fba)

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Free advertising for a great American institution and fine news source.

I subscribed last month.

Joe (SoCal)
05-03-2017, 12:27 PM
Love the NYT
I miss picking up my Sunday Paper drinking Nespresso™ reading the front page, followed by magazine, then real estate section.
I've been thinking of getting the Sunday delivery here is SoCal.

As it is I stream WNYC to get my daily New York fix.

S.V. Airlie
05-03-2017, 12:36 PM
For some reason, I can only order the NYT for Sunday at least at the one store that used to carry it everyday. I suspect that few people buy it every day and rely on local papers. I think the owner of the store has some kind of arrangement based on those who sign up to get it Sundays. During the week, he had to send most back. Must have been a hassle returning 95% of them

PS, there are never any extras on Sunday so if you haven't signed up for the service, good luck!

Joe (SoCal)
05-03-2017, 02:28 PM
Thanks to this thread I Just signed up for Sunday delivery of the "Failing" NYT and they gave me full online access. I prefer reading and folding the actual paper ;) $4.90 per week for 12 weeks then $9.90 a week after that. :D

Jim Bow
05-03-2017, 03:35 PM
If you already are an Amazon Prime subscriber, you can get 6 months of the Washington Post free.

John of Phoenix
05-03-2017, 03:36 PM
He gets nothing right. Nada. Zip. Niente.

NYT adds adds 308,000 digital subscribers in Q1. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/new-york-times-adds-308000-digital-subscription-in-1q/2017/05/03/7127e4c8-3014-11e7-a335-fa0ae1940305_story.html?utm_term=.43c17f4e0fba)

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Free advertising for a great American institution and fine news source.

I subscribed last month.The NYT must take great pleasure that the WAPO reported that story with a yyyuge picture. How's THAT for a "F'U donald"? :D

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/Wires/Online/2017-05-03/AP/Images/Earns_New_York_Times_Co_93438.jpg-76bb4.jpg?uuid=cEPntDAUEeejNfoK4ZQDBQ

Joe (SoCal)
05-03-2017, 04:54 PM
I used cut across 8th past Dean & Deluca to the N&R train to Union Square every day ;)

SMARTINSEN
05-03-2017, 06:41 PM
The NYT aided and abetted the sabotage of Hillary Clinton and they are well on their way to normalizing the excrecence now in office.

But hey, they just added a climate change denialist to their columnist lineup, so there is that.

bobbys
05-03-2017, 07:04 PM
The NYT must take great pleasure that the WAPO reported that story with a yyyuge picture. How's THAT for a "F'U donald"? :D

K.

Well at least you admit they have a agenda and you are not bothered with 2 sides to every issue.

Tom Montgomery
05-03-2017, 07:25 PM
How ironic that you post such nonsense IMMEDIATELY after SMARTINSEN's post. :rolleyes:

Joe (SoCal)
05-14-2017, 01:08 PM
In my New York State of Mind. Sunday NYT delivery and my SoCal daybed, perfect together :D

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18519571_10210804345238165_8370290662599301992_n.j pg?oh=2e0e20df693bf5031c2e0ed953ff6fa3&oe=59BA8A2C

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18425337_10210804323637625_7518026191067212137_n.j pg?oh=3cae690df6e5df8b519b5e3469ae4b94&oe=59C2F072

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S.V. Airlie
05-14-2017, 01:16 PM
Love the NYT
I miss picking up my Sunday Paper drinking Nespresso™ reading the front page, followed by magazine, then real estate section.
I've been thinking of getting the Sunday delivery here is SoCal.

As it is I stream WNYC to get my daily New York fix.Sounds like an antibiotic Joe!:(

Joe (SoCal)
05-14-2017, 01:18 PM
Everything is perfect, except no Real Estate section :(. It's a thinned down "National Edition". At least it has the Magazine & Styles section ;)

Gerarddm
05-14-2017, 02:41 PM
The NYT aided and abetted the sabotage of Hillary Clinton and they are well on their way to normalizing the excrecence now in office.


Clearly you are not current with the NYTimes, because they have been very tough on our current president.

genglandoh
06-25-2017, 10:03 AM
He gets nothing right. Nada. Zip. Niente.

NYT adds adds 308,000 digital subscribers in Q1. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/new-york-times-adds-308000-digital-subscription-in-1q/2017/05/03/7127e4c8-3014-11e7-a335-fa0ae1940305_story.html?utm_term=.43c17f4e0fba)

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Free advertising for a great American institution and fine news source.

I subscribed last month.

LOL. It seems that you get nothing right. Zip. Niente.

Title: New York Times Will Offer Employee Buyouts and Eliminate Public Editor Role
The New York Times offered buyouts to its newsroom employees on Wednesday, aiming to reduce layers of editing and requiring more of the editors who remain.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/business/media/new-york-times-buyouts.html

Joe (SoCal)
06-25-2017, 10:09 AM
Ohhh thanks Geng I almost forgot it's Sunday, time to grab my SoCal 122 Pulitzer WINNING New York Times home delivery. :D

Hugh Conway
06-25-2017, 10:13 AM
LOL. It seems that you get nothing right. Zip. Niente.

Title: New York Times Will Offer Employee Buyouts and Eliminate Public Editor Role
The New York Times offered buyouts to its newsroom employees on Wednesday, aiming to reduce layers of editing and requiring more of the editors who remain.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/business/media/new-york-times-buyouts.html That storys over 3 weeks old! Why did you bump this thread with it?

Old Dryfoot
06-25-2017, 10:19 AM
LOL. It seems that you get nothing right. Zip. Niente.

Title: New York Times Will Offer Employee Buyouts and Eliminate Public Editor Role
The New York Times offered buyouts to its newsroom employees on Wednesday, aiming to reduce layers of editing and requiring more of the editors who remain.
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/31/business/media/new-york-times-buyouts.html

Yeah! That'll prove `em all wrong! More than a quarter of a million new subscriptions don't mean ****. They're going under like the Titanic, just you wait. Donny Two Scoops said so.




:rolleyes:

ahp
06-25-2017, 10:26 AM
We subscribe to the NYTs daily edition. It is printed in Florida and we have home delivery here. We did take the Sunday edition too, but it took too long to read and we dropped it even though there was a lot of good stuff in it. The quality of writing in the NYTs is excellent.

Yes, they are tough on DT, but so is the local paper, a little bit, which surprises me considering we in the red area of the US.

Joe (SoCal)
06-25-2017, 10:29 AM
That story's over 3 weeks old? Why did you bump this thread with it?

Gen was just being polite to remind me to go an pick up my new NYT Home Delivery :)

genglandoh
06-25-2017, 10:34 AM
That storys over 3 weeks old! Why did you bump this thread with it?

FYI I saw this recent story in the NY Post yesterday but decided to post the original New York Times announcement.
I did not want anyone to claim it was fake news.

Title: June 23, 2017 - New York Times bloodbath could include reporter jobs
Link: http://nypost.com/2017/06/23/new-york-times-bloodbath-could-include-reporter-jobs/

Joe (SoCal)
06-25-2017, 10:35 AM
FYI I saw this recent story in the NY Post yesterday

Bwaaaaa ha ha™ :D :D :D

sharpiefan
06-25-2017, 10:36 AM
NYT-just for fun (LINK) (https://youtube.com/watch?v=brawJsSUtxk)

CWSmith
06-25-2017, 10:39 AM
The fact that the right is attacking the NYT just shows that it remains a powerful and authoritative news source for people who want an informed and correct reporting of the news.

The NYT is GREAT!

Joe (SoCal)
06-25-2017, 10:44 AM
The fact that the right is attacking the NYT just shows that it remains a powerful and authoritative news source for people who want an informed and correct reporting of the news.

The NYT is GREAT!

Hmmmm I wonder how many pulitzers the NY Post has ?
Mmmmmm Geng can you get on that fact for us ?

genglandoh
06-25-2017, 10:45 AM
FYI I saw this recent story in the NY Post yesterday but decided to post the original New York Times announcement.
I did not want anyone to claim it was fake news.

Title: June 23, 2017 - New York Times bloodbath could include reporter jobs
Link: http://nypost.com/2017/06/23/new-york-times-bloodbath-could-include-reporter-jobs/



Bwaaaaa ha ha™ :D :D :D

LOL.
Thank you Joe for proving my point, why it was better to post the 3 week old NYT announcement.

Joe (SoCal)
06-25-2017, 10:55 AM
No no geng thank you. It was well worth it for me for the reminder to go pick up my Sunday New York Times. Thank you. I do find it funny that a guy who lives in worthless Ohio reads the NEW YORK POST :D :D :D

CWSmith
06-25-2017, 10:57 AM
Hmmmm I wonder how many pulitzers the NY Post has ?
Mmmmmm Geng can you get on that fact for us ?

Don't you know? Pulitzers just prove that the NYT is part of the elite network that is destroying this country.


LOL.
Thank you Joe for proving my point, why it was better to post the 3 week old NYT announcement.

Don't worry, geng. Just as the right inflicts pain and suffering on so many who do not vote for them, the left will ultimately save you in the process of saving the rest.

Glen Longino
06-25-2017, 11:03 AM
:)Gengster's desperation is showing.
His Troglodyte Kingdom is caving in on him!:)

George Jung
06-25-2017, 11:20 AM
I commented on an article in our local newspaper, and never cease to be amazed at the hate and vitriol spitting out of the mouths of 'Conservatives', against anything they perceive as liberal. Even a few skinhead/neonazi/white supremacists spewing their sewage. Their tactic of attributing to the Left, what has always been typical of the Right, is a childish, very telling tactic. They don't have anything positive going on, just their hate. Sad.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/sunday-review/donald-trump-barack-obama.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region

Hugh Conway
06-25-2017, 11:38 AM
FYI I saw this recent story in the NY Post yesterday but decided to post the original New York Times announcement.
I did not want anyone to claim it was fake news.

Title: June 23, 2017 - New York Times bloodbath could include reporter jobs
Link: http://nypost.com/2017/06/23/new-york-times-bloodbath-could-include-reporter-jobs/ So your Conservative Snowflake approved media site is 3 weeks behind the Times - and it's the one that's failing? I mean, I read news for information, not to coddle my biases. The Conservative Snowflake approved media is short on news these days.

Lew Barrett
06-25-2017, 12:14 PM
As I mentioned, I'm subscribed to the Times. Their subscription growth has been spurred by Trump's victory and is at record pace. (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/29/new-york-times-subscriptions-soar-tenfold-after-donald-trump-wins-presidency.html)

And growth continues for 2017. (http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/02/media/new-york-times-subscribers-trump/index.html)

Tom Montgomery
06-25-2017, 12:35 PM
a guy who lives in worthless Ohio
HEY! :mad:

That is where I was born and raised. The Cuyahoga River Valley is beautiful, by the way.

Joe (SoCal)
06-25-2017, 12:35 PM
OK I don't know if we are all capable of having this type of conversation yet. But lets try.

What is wrong with intelligent, in depth, award winning reporting ? Personally I'm flattered to be called a coastal, liberal elite, that values intelligence, resources like the NYT, NPR & the BBC. What's the Alt-right alternative? Rasmussen polls, Fox & Friends, NY Post, Breitbart, SCROTUS tweets ?

I never get this whole anti-intellectualism that flyover states proclaim. It's like saying hey we're stupid and we won, so we don't care how smart you are. Why would anyone want to be proud of their stupidity ? Duh Bring back coal jobs, Make America Great Again ? Maddeningly stupid, and they are PROUD of it.

John of Phoenix
06-25-2017, 12:36 PM
I would point out that the original post is about dramatically increasing subscribers.

Our resident red's post is about a modest number of buyouts of senior staffers. Ya gotta have some big $$$$ to buy those folks their retirement.

MAJOR FAIL. AGAIN!

Rockin' the Celebration of Being Stupid.

:D LMAO :D

Joe (SoCal)
06-25-2017, 12:36 PM
HEY! :mad:

That is where I was born and raised. The Cuyahoga River Valley is beautiful, by the way.

Sorry I'm just another Coastal Liberal Elite Snowflake ;)

CWSmith
06-25-2017, 12:37 PM
Their tactic of attributing to the Left, what has always been typical of the Right, is a childish, very telling tactic.

And it has worked remarkably well. Check out the name of the Senate health care bill.

Tom Montgomery
06-25-2017, 12:39 PM
Right-wing nuts cannot get over the fact that reality has a liberal bias. So they hope to kill all the messengers leaving only the propagandists.

CWSmith
06-25-2017, 12:41 PM
Right-wing nuts cannot get over the fact that reality has a liberal bias. So they hope to kill all the messengers leaving only the propagandists.

Speaking of propagandists, Kelly Ann Conway (sp?) was on the morning talk show today. I had to mute the TV. Once she's asked a question she never stops talking. That way the moderator cannot tell her she's untruthful.

Chip-skiff
06-25-2017, 12:49 PM
When I lived in town, I'd saunter down to the coffeeshop of a Sunday morn and buy the enormous Sunday Times and a double Americano (known in NZ as a Long Black). Then I'd distribute various sections and we'd swap them around until everyone had read all they wanted. Then I'd reassemble it in good order and leave it on the counter.

For the last 16 years, I've lived way out of town, about 50k/30 mi. The Wolf Goddess could get free copies of the Times at the law school on days she taught, but they didn't deliver on weekends, and we accumulated enormous heaps of unread newsprint. So I got a digital sub and now read it on the iPad, which is nice. Quick updates, many links, videos, interactive graphics: an excellent bargain for accurate news and interesting features.

Failing? A base canard. Certainly doesn't seem that way to me.

Fox News is another story, flailing if not failing, with ugly talking heads getting lopped off as Uncle Rupie tries to drain his personal swamp to ooze past the UK regulators on 'fit and proper."

CWSmith
06-25-2017, 12:55 PM
Fox News is another story, flailing if not failing, with ugly talking heads getting lopped off as Uncle Rupie tries to drain his personal swamp to ooze past the UK regulators on 'fit and proper."

I enjoyed Fox News the other week. They were bending over backwards to deny the latest Trump story and then Trump tweeted that it was true! What a hoot!

Joe (SoCal)
06-25-2017, 01:06 PM
Meanwhile at the TRUMP TOWER OF BABBLE.




Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 6h6 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878947806442119168)More
I am on @foxandfriends (https://twitter.com/foxandfriends) - Enjoy!






Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 6h6 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878946025662296064)More
Hillary Clinton colluded with the Democratic Party in order to beat Crazy Bernie Sanders. Is she allowed to so collude? Unfair to Bernie!





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 21h21 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878725385235701761)More
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 21h21 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878717095701336064)More
I cannot imagine that these very fine Republican Senators would allow the American people to suffer a broken ObamaCare any longer!





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 21h21 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878715504063643648)More
Obama Administration official said they "choked" when it came to acting on Russian meddling of election. They didn't want to hurt Hillary?





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 22h22 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878711517537083392)More
Since the Obama Administration was told way before the 2016 Election that the Russians were meddling, why no action? Focus on them, not T!





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Jun 24 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878596457741287424)More
Democrats slam GOP healthcare proposal as Obamacare premiums & deductibles increase by over 100%. Remember keep your doctor, keep your plan?





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Jun 23 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878413313188802560)More
Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did nothing about it. WHY?



I just love how in one Tweet he calls "Crazy Bernie" then in the same Tweet he says "Unfair to Bernie"

Canoeyawl
06-25-2017, 01:13 PM
Meanwhile at the TRUMP TOWER OF BABBLE.




Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 6h6 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878947806442119168)More
I am on @foxandfriends (https://twitter.com/foxandfriends) - Enjoy!






Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 6h6 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878946025662296064)More
Hillary Clinton colluded with the Democratic Party in order to beat Crazy Bernie Sanders. Is she allowed to so collude? Unfair to Bernie!





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 21h21 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878725385235701761)More
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 21h21 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878717095701336064)More
I cannot imagine that these very fine Republican Senators would allow the American people to suffer a broken ObamaCare any longer!





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 21h21 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878715504063643648)More
Obama Administration official said they "choked" when it came to acting on Russian meddling of election. They didn't want to hurt Hillary?





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) 22h22 hours ago (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878711517537083392)More
Since the Obama Administration was told way before the 2016 Election that the Russians were meddling, why no action? Focus on them, not T!





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Jun 24 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878596457741287424)More
Democrats slam GOP healthcare proposal as Obamacare premiums & deductibles increase by over 100%. Remember keep your doctor, keep your plan?





Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) Jun 23 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/878413313188802560)More
Just out: The Obama Administration knew far in advance of November 8th about election meddling by Russia. Did nothing about it. WHY?



I just love how in one Tweet he calls "Crazy Bernie" then in the same Tweet he says "Unfair to Bernie"




This belongs in the " Old man's brain" thread...

CWSmith
06-25-2017, 01:18 PM
This belongs in the " Old man's brain" thread...

He's a one trick pony to be sure.

Breakaway
06-25-2017, 01:58 PM
Much of the Times growth results from print subscribers adding to, or swapping for, digital subscription. So it's not all pure growth, just change.

Second, ad blocking technology continues to grow in use. Regardless of the number of subs a publication signs up, if they can't serve them ads, they can't make any money ( it can, in fact , end up costing money.)

Kevin


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Garret
06-25-2017, 03:11 PM
OK I don't know if we are all capable of having this type of conversation yet. But lets try.

What is wrong with intelligent, in depth, award winning reporting ? Personally I'm flattered to be called a coastal, liberal elite, that values intelligence, resources like the NYT, NPR & the BBC. What's the Alt-right alternative? Rasmussen polls, Fox & Friends, NY Post, Breitbart, SCROTUS tweets ?

I never get this whole anti-intellectualism that flyover states proclaim. It's like saying hey we're stupid and we won, so we don't care how smart you are. Why would anyone want to be proud of their stupidity ? Duh Bring back coal jobs, Make America Great Again ? Maddeningly stupid, and they are PROUD of it.

You sure aren't gonna have a conversation with folks who don't live on the coasts when you call 'em "flyover states" & "worthless". Sorry Joe - but statements like these make you come across as a complete @$$h&@*. I know you're not - but haven't you learned that starting off a conversation with "Jane you ignorant slut..." is not a good way to have the conversation be productive?

Boater14
06-25-2017, 03:24 PM
Are you guys confusing being tough on Trump with reporting the news?

Lew Barrett
06-25-2017, 03:34 PM
I would point out that the original post is about dramatically increasing subscribers.

Our resident red's post is about a modest number of buyouts of senior staffers. Ya gotta have some big $$$$ to buy those folks their retirement.

MAJOR FAIL. AGAIN!

Rockin' the Celebration of Being Stupid.

:D LMAO :D

Deaf, blind but not mute. It's a perfect condition from which to impress peers and colleagues.

genglandoh
06-25-2017, 06:23 PM
Lets review.
From 2008 to 2016 Revenue has dropped 47% and the number of Employees has dropped 60%



year
Revenue
Revenue Drop
employees
Employee Drop


2008
2.948

9,346



2016
1.555
47%
3710
60%



Ref
http://investors.nytco.com/investors/financials/annual-reports/default.aspx?LanguageId=1

Reynard38
06-25-2017, 06:31 PM
Well I bought a chunk of NYT right after the inauguration. It's up over 11% so far.

I never get this whole anti-intellectualism that flyover states proclaim. It's like saying hey we're stupid and we won, so we don't care how smart you are. Why would anyone want to be proud of their stupidity ? Duh Bring back coal jobs, Make America Great Again ? Maddeningly stupid, and they are PROUD of it.

And the preceding reminded me of a quote I once heard. "My diddy (sic) told me not to get smart, and I never did."

genglandoh
06-25-2017, 06:53 PM
Well I bought a chunk of NYT right after the inauguration. It's up over 11% so far.

I never get this whole anti-intellectualism that flyover states proclaim. It's like saying hey we're stupid and we won, so we don't care how smart you are. Why would anyone want to be proud of their stupidity ? Duh Bring back coal jobs, Make America Great Again ? Maddeningly stupid, and they are PROUD of it.

And the preceding reminded me of a quote I once heard. "My diddy (sic) told me not to get smart, and I never did."


Good for you your timing was good.

The stock price for the New York Times has gone from $50 in 2004 to about $4 in 2009.
A drop of -84%.

Since 2009 the stock has moved up to about $18 today.
So a move back up from $4 to $18 looks good but it is still down -64% from the $50.

pcford
06-25-2017, 07:19 PM
Nespresso?

yucko. you can get real coffee in the northwest.

Figment
06-26-2017, 02:02 PM
Good for you your timing was good.

The stock price for the New York Times has gone from $50 in 2004 to about $4 in 2009.
A drop of -84%.

Since 2009 the stock has moved up to about $18 today.
So a move back up from $4 to $18 looks good but it is still down -64% from the $50.

Cue the Graphs Wizard..... we need a plot of this vs the general trend in print advertising revenue, STAT!

willmarsh3
06-26-2017, 03:08 PM
I burned through my 10 free articles per month in the NY Times rather quickly in May and June. That should tell something, if only on an anecdotal basis, not withstanding that their ads are much less obnoxious than some other websites. I'm thinking about subscribing.

Breakaway
06-26-2017, 06:16 PM
Cue the Graphs Wizard..... we need a plot of this vs the general trend in print advertising revenue, STAT!



Grab a parachute.



https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2016/12/05/nyt-trump-bump/%3Fsource%3Ddam


Kevin


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genglandoh
07-30-2017, 10:45 PM
A little update from 6/29/17

Title: New York Times Employees Walk Out As Layoffs Loom
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-times-copy-desk-walkout_us_595527bce4b02734df30a8eb

Ian McColgin
07-30-2017, 11:06 PM
It's not an update from the end of June. It's that there's been no news I could find in the month since this bated breath breaking news. News, especially news that's actually fact checked and that publishes an errata section, is expensive. All papers, both good and bad, are facing this issue.

Joe (SoCal)
07-30-2017, 11:17 PM
A little update from 6/29/17

Title: New York Times Employees Walk Out As Layoffs Loom
Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-york-times-copy-desk-walkout_us_595527bce4b02734df30a8eb

So I'm curious you and Donald Trump would like to see the New York Times fail, I'm just curious what kind of Pulitzer Prize winning newspaper would you like to see not fail????

Garret
07-31-2017, 05:41 AM
So I'm curious you and Donald Trump would like to see the New York Times fail, I'm just curious what kind of Pulitzer Prize winning newspaper would you like to see not fail????

One that loves Trump & believes everything he says. Oh wait - there aren't any prize-winning papers that fit that bill? Back to the National Enquirer then.

TomF
07-31-2017, 06:37 AM
Market forces, baby. Ignorance and innuendo sell better than facts, and profitability is the only rubric for "winning" that matters to some. News is entertainment, after all. Why should it not be flung into the same type of comparison which pits Honey Boo Boo against Masterpiece Theater?

gypsie
08-01-2017, 02:13 AM
Cue the Graphs Wizard..... we need a plot of this vs the general trend in print advertising revenue, STAT!

CHART OF THE DAY: Why The Newspaper Industry Collapsed
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oznabrag
08-01-2017, 03:39 AM
Why is 'Politically Approved' speech better than 'Politically Correct' speech?





It is not better, it just signifies that the Democratic Party is not a 'political organization', or so Will Rogers would say.

It is time to tell it like it is:

1) The Republican Party has been overtly advocating for the obliteration of our Constitution for DECADES.

2) The Republican Party has been both brazenly AND systematically eradicating the Voting Rights Act for DECADES.

3) The Republican Party has been assiduously crippling the Judicial Branch for DECADES.

They say they want the rule of men and of the laws of Jesus Christ.

They say that a man who works for a living should pay twice the taxes of the man he's makin' rich.

They say that they have so little self-respect that they do not CARE that a fellow citizen will die a preventable death.


THEY ARE NOT KIDDING, and Donald Trump is the personification of the wretch the 'Grand Old Party' has become.


Once again, THEY ARE NOT KIDDING, so it is time to start telling it like it is.

mdh
08-01-2017, 07:05 AM
It is not better, it just signifies that the Democratic Party is not a 'political organization', or so Will Rogers would say.

It is time to tell it like it is:

1) The Republican Party has been overtly advocating for the obliteration of our Constitution for DECADES.

2) The Republican Party has been both brazenly AND systematically eradicating the Voting Rights Act for DECADES.

3) The Republican Party has been assiduously crippling the Judicial Branch for DECADES.

They say they want the rule of men and of the laws of Jesus Christ.

They say that a man who works for a living should pay twice the taxes of the man he's makin' rich.

They say that they have so little self-respect that they do not CARE that a fellow citizen will die a preventable death.


THEY ARE NOT KIDDING, and Donald Trump is the personification of the wretch the 'Grand Old Party' has become.


Once again, THEY ARE NOT KIDDING, so it is time to start telling it like it is.

Did you used to play center for the football team? You seem to see things upside down.

Garret
08-01-2017, 07:11 AM
Did you used to play center for the football team? You seem to see things upside down.

Nope - he spelled it out quite accurately. If anything, rather plainly & zero exaggeration I could see. This really is how anyone who truly cares about the US & the Constitution sees it.

Canoeyawl
08-01-2017, 11:27 AM
https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/malone-enten-gopcrackup-1.png?quality=90&strip=info&w=1024&ssl=1

gypsie
08-02-2017, 02:08 AM
You seem to see things upside down.

This continues to fascinate me - how hard line right supporters see the same thing so diametrically differently. Infact you could say, they seem to see things completely upside down.
The only difference is when the right wing try to explain themselves, they get lost down rabbit holes of digression and conflation.

I feel there's something in this 'blind spot for observable facts' that is at the essence of why people are conservative.

Is it a fear of change - really deep rooted terror of anything different (muslims, people of colour, healthcare)?
It sometimes appears to be an intolerance for complex ideas that can't be summed up in a catch phrase - coupled with a deep distrust of anyone who does seem to be able to grasp them (must be a conspiracy between all of the major scientific bodies in the world, and China).
Is it a world view that says our world is the centre of the Universe and we are the summit - and then a complete inability to reconcile facts with lived experience (conflation and digression)?

Thing is, to master scientific inquiry, physics or evolution(!) takes years of hard work and study. But you can explain the basic story of any of the worlds religions within the attention span of most people - say 30 mins. To me that seems to be about having the intellectual maturity to see things, or discover things, as they demonstrably are, over how we would wish they were.
Conservatives seem to aspire to a world they wished they could have, rather than one that is achievable. Which is a twist, because Conservatives always think of themselves as the sensible ones.

gypsie
08-02-2017, 03:01 AM
This continues to fascinate me - how hard line right supporters see the same thing so diametrically differently.

Wow - came across this completely by accident; https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/liberals-and-conservatives-they-really-are-different,5775


they’re not really mean and insensitive, it’s just their amygdalae talking

Chris249
08-02-2017, 06:59 AM
My wife did part of her PhD with Geraint Rees, the senior author on the paper and one of the top men in the field. He's Dean at UCL, world's 7th best uni on some rankings and attended Oxford and Cambridge. He's a very smart and well qualified man but the conservatives here will probably sneer at his science because it suits their agenda.

And notice the third name on the paper? Yep, it's THE Colin Firth; Geraint gave him a credit because he and Colin met at a party and Colin asked the question that prompted the paper. On the trivial side it means that my wife is now about 4 degrees of separation or less from everyone in Hollywood!BY:D

TomF
08-02-2017, 08:39 AM
That's a very interesting paper, which raises some interesting follow-up questions. The notion that in general, folks tend to be "liberal" in youth and become more "conservative" as they age is so widespread that a conventional quotation about it ("A man who is not a Liberal at sixteen has no heart; a man who is not a Conservative at sixty has no head") has been attributed in variations to pretty much anyone who's been quotable back to the time of the French Revolution and before. :D

It turns out that age is a very good predictor of voting behaviour - longitudinal voting studies in the UK (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/03/do-we-become-more-conservative-with-age-young-old-politics)have found that yes indeed, the best predictor of voting for a Conservative or Liberal politician ... is age. It's been boringly predictable that people over 70 are about twice as likely to vote Conservative as people in their 20s. There are striking examples in the other direction, of course, whether of senior citizens who have become remarkably Liberal or young people who are vehemently Conservative. But the trends have been stable in the British Election Study data since at least 1964.


The question is why. Some suggest that it isn't so much aging, as the sociological context of different generations. That while the voting studies have been going on, the world which older folks have lived through in the 50 years that the study has occurred has fairly uniformly beaten their Liberalism out of them - but other generations who live through other times could perhaps remain as Liberal as ever. Other studies suggest that with aging, people tend to become less intellectually curious. A lifetime of experience tends to make one's opinions become more concrete, as you've examined various alternatives and found them unsustainable. And that it's this solidifying of opinions, this reduced willingness to yet again consider a new shiny alternative when all the previous ones have fallen short ... which is expressed in conservatism.

What this study into brain structure makes me wonder, though, is whether folks have looked at the typical pattern of change in brain structure as one ages. Maybe younger people have bigger anterior cingulate cortices, and that part of the physiology of aging is that the cortex shrinks a bit, and the right amygdala enlarges. Maybe normal patterns of brain structure aging across one's lifetime can be associated with age-related political conservatism. Whether because as opinions firm up, the thinking changes brain structure - or because normal physiological brain structure aging prompts ideological shifts. Either could be causal.

But first, it would be very interesting to see if the anterior cingulate cortex / right amygdala differences that the study observed in young Liberals/Conservatives replicate in demographic strata, in the proportions which would align with the age-associated voting preferences the British Election Study documents.

mmd
08-02-2017, 09:01 AM
The daughter's boyfriend's father is bucking the trend. Grandfather was Conservative MLA, then Premier, then Senator. Father was Conservative party member, then organizer, then speechwriter. Then the Progressive Conservatives were overrun by the Reform Party/Canadian Alliance and Stephen Harper became Prime Minister. Rob is now an ardent supporter of, and organizer for, Justin Trudeau. Go figure, eh?

oznabrag
08-02-2017, 09:06 AM
Did you used to play center for the football team? You seem to see things upside down.

If I am so wrong, you have an intellectual duty to deconstruct my assertion point by point.

You can't, so you shirk your duty and fling poo.

oznabrag
08-02-2017, 09:10 AM
This continues to fascinate me - how hard line right supporters see the same thing so diametrically differently. Infact you could say, they seem to see things completely upside down.
The only difference is when the right wing try to explain themselves, they get lost down rabbit holes of digression and conflation.

I feel there's something in this 'blind spot for observable facts' that is at the essence of why people are conservative.
Is it a fear of change - really deep rooted terror of anything different (muslims, people of colour, healthcare)?
It sometimes appears to be an intolerance for complex ideas that can't be summed up in a catch phrase - coupled with a deep distrust of anyone who does seem to be able to grasp them (must be a conspiracy between all of the major scientific bodies in the world, and China).
Is it a world view that says our world is the centre of the Universe and we are the summit - and then a complete inability to reconcile facts with lived experience (conflation and digression)?

Thing is, to master scientific inquiry, physics or evolution(!) takes years of hard work and study. But you can explain the basic story of any of the worlds religions within the attention span of most people - say 30 mins. To me that seems to be about having the intellectual maturity to see things, or discover things, as they demonstrably are, over how we would wish they were.
Conservatives seem to aspire to a world they wished they could have, rather than one that is achievable. Which is a twist, because Conservatives always think of themselves as the sensible ones.

Nailed it.

https://viewfrommyattic.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/dsc00060-2.jpg

Osborne Russell
08-02-2017, 09:52 AM
If I am so wrong, you have an intellectual duty to deconstruct my assertion point by point.

You can't, so you shirk your duty and fling poo.

Hear, hear. A moral duty too.

Osborne Russell
08-02-2017, 10:05 AM
That's a very interesting paper, which raises some interesting follow-up questions.

You certainly have.


A lifetime of experience tends to make one's opinions become more concrete, as you've examined various alternatives and found them unsustainable. And that it's this solidifying of opinions, this reduced willingness to yet again consider a new shiny alternative when all the previous ones have fallen short ... which is expressed in conservatism.

That kind of seems like tweaking the definition to support the argument. Conservatism doesn't have to mean irrational opposition to new opinions. It doesn't need to have anything to do with opinions. It has to do with policy decisions. In that context, other things being equal, the old is known and the new isn't, and therefore carries more weight. That isn't prejudice, it's the nature of things.

TomF
08-02-2017, 10:16 AM
If it turns out that age-related political conservatism is a product of normal age-related structure changes in the brain (note the "if" there, please!), should this shift in anterior cingulate cortex / right amygdala sizes be understood to be adaptive? Is there an evolutionary benefit to being more "Liberal" in youth, and more "Conservative" with age?

Or is the evolutionary benefit actually simply in being "Liberal" in youth, and Nature doesn't much care if it all turns to oatmeal once we're beyond our childbearing years? :D

John of Phoenix
08-02-2017, 10:33 AM
Hear, hear. A moral duty too.Moral duty, ok, well, never mind.

:D LMAO :D

George Jung
08-02-2017, 10:35 AM
Give him time; he's still looking for his dictionary...

oznabrag
08-02-2017, 10:38 AM
You certainly have.



That kind of seems like tweaking the definition to support the argument. Conservatism doesn't have to mean irrational opposition to new opinions. It doesn't need to have anything to do with opinions. It has to do with policy decisions. In that context, other things being equal, the old is known and the new isn't, and therefore carries more weight. That isn't prejudice, it's the nature of things.

Ever tried to make a policy decision without opinions?



If it turns out that age-related political conservatism is a product of normal age-related structure changes in the brain (note the "if" there, please!), should this shift in anterior cingulate cortex / right amygdala sizes be understood to be adaptive? Is there an evolutionary benefit to being more "Liberal" in youth, and more "Conservative" with age?

Or is the evolutionary benefit actually simply in being "Liberal" in youth, and Nature doesn't much care if it all turns to oatmeal once we're beyond our childbearing years? :D


Git'em Tom!


Moral duty, ok, well, never mind.

:D LMAO :D

Uh, yeah. Moral duty.

If one approaches these questions in an amoral fashion, one ends up electing Donald Trump.

David G
08-02-2017, 10:58 AM
Wow - came across this completely by accident; https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/liberals-and-conservatives-they-really-are-different,5775

Hearkens back to our discussion of Slow & Fast thinking (Type1 & Type2) -

http://bigthink.com/delancey-place/the-two-systems-of-cognitive-processes

(http://bigthink.com/delancey-place/the-two-systems-of-cognitive-processes)http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?211369-Kahneman-fast-amp-slow-thinking&highlight=slow+and+fast+thinking

I'd be inclined to ascribe any age-associated shift toward Type1 to two factors. First - we do accrue more experience, and naturally become attached to our conclusions, and therefore less inclined toward exploring and questioning our assumptions. Second - we get tired, and tend to lean more on the far easier Type1 thinking. It's usually right, after all. And it's too much work to be aware of when a shift to Type2 would be appropriate... not to mention the greater work involved in actually doing Type2 analysis.

Osborne Russell
08-03-2017, 11:35 AM
Ever tried to make a policy decision without opinions?

What I'm trying to say is that people are capable of deciding policy, i.e. they are capable of self-government, despite difference of opinions; so that the goal of policy-making is not opinion-changing, at least not primarily.

Osborne Russell
08-03-2017, 11:42 AM
Hearkens back to our discussion of Slow & Fast thinking (Type1 & Type2) -

http://bigthink.com/delancey-place/the-two-systems-of-cognitive-processes

(http://bigthink.com/delancey-place/the-two-systems-of-cognitive-processes)http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?211369-Kahneman-fast-amp-slow-thinking&highlight=slow+and+fast+thinking

I'd be inclined to ascribe any age-associated shift toward Type1 to two factors. First - we do accrue more experience, and naturally become attached to our conclusions, and therefore less inclined toward exploring and questioning our assumptions. Second - we get tired, and tend to lean more on the far easier Type1 thinking. It's usually right, after all. And it's too much work to be aware of when a shift to Type2 would be appropriate... not to mention the greater work involved in actually doing Type2 analysis.

Third, when you are old, you have learned that most of the stuff young people think is new, isn't; and much of what they think is outmoded is more pertinent than ever. Experience, learning, and perspective take time even when you put in the effort.

oznabrag
08-03-2017, 11:46 AM
What I'm trying to say is that people are capable of deciding policy, i.e. they are capable of self-government, despite difference of opinions; so that the goal of policy-making is not opinion-changing, at least not primarily.

Thank you for that clarification, sir.

Makes a whole lot more sense, now!

bobbys
12-07-2017, 02:27 PM
That storys over 3 weeks old! Why did you bump this thread with it?.

Advertising sales execs at the New York Times were in a tizzy on Wednesday after a fresh round of layoffs decimated the ad sales director role, The Post has learned.
Out of a 15-person department, at least 10 ad sales directors were let go, sources said.
The Times confirmed that there had been some layoffs (https://nypost.com/2017/01/17/ny-times-will-cut-budget-and-staff-to-reach-digital-demands/) but did not comment on the number of jobs eliminated.
“This was a limited and targeted action, tied to a new strategy for 2018 that intends to bring the sales leadership team as close to our clients as possible,” a spokeswoman said. “As a result, we’re also adding new positions.”
The news comes after the Gray Lady has endured another tough year in advertising sales — and as it looks to expand digital sales to counterbalance shriveling print sales.
Last month, New York Times Co. Chief Executive Mark Thompson said the Times expects high single-digit declines in total advertising revenues for the fourth quarter.
In order to jump-start the ad sales team, Thompson promoted Sebastian Tomich, a young, hard-charging advertising and sales chief, who reports to Meredith Kopit Levien, the company’s executive vice president and chief operating officer.
Tomich, who took the reins as head of advertising and marketing solutions two weeks ago, wasted no time cleaning house — informing ad sales directors of their fate via e-mail on Tuesday, in what was just his second e-mail to his staff.
The first e-mail was an introductory message.
The laid-off staffers have been encouraged to apply for a limited number of open sales jobs

skuthorp
12-07-2017, 02:49 PM
Technology is wreaking havoc in newsprint industries, I experienced the beginning of it myself when hot metal type gave way to computers. The writing was on the wall then and continues apace. Where it will end up no one knows yet as the technology development tends to consume it's predecessor at an ever increasing rate. One of our major news organisations is recutting its jib, trimming its current presence in the media scene and redeploying the staff and resources to a new investigative reporting department.

John of Phoenix
12-07-2017, 03:01 PM
I have a paid subscription to many of the failing and fake news sources - The NY Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic, The Christian Science Monitor, and read some others - The LA Times, The Guardian, Esquire.

alvin is once again lying to himself if he thinks these are going to give way to the lying rags he reads.

bobbys
12-07-2017, 03:57 PM
I read em all!

PhaseLockedLoop
12-07-2017, 03:58 PM
I subscribe to the NYT and read it every morning. The notion that it prints the Truth, or that it is "objective" is, however, is silly. Depending on the subject, its slant goes from modest to severe. Of course it's head and shoulders above the Trump cheerleading rags, and it seldom makes stuff up.

TomF
12-07-2017, 03:58 PM
I read em all!Everybody's a comedian. ;)

bobbys
12-07-2017, 04:05 PM
Everybody's a comedian. ;).

Well, i did fib.,

Boater14
12-07-2017, 04:06 PM
Thomas edsall in the nyt writes pieces after interviewing researchers, eggheads. Seems the trump phenomenon was caused by us coastal, NE elites smugly looking down on the great heartland relentlessly making laws that threaten their way of life. Wedding cakes for gays as an example. Their hatred and narrow mindedness is our fault. Well, I’ll admit, we did tell them they couldn’t hang black men from street lights.....there was that.....oh....and letting decorated black vets vote. Guess we did do that. Maybe Edsalls eggheads are right.

TomF
12-07-2017, 04:08 PM
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Well, i did fib.,FWIW erratic capital letters and punctuation were a dead giveaway. One look and it just says "Breitbart" (or worse "Infowars").

bobbys
12-07-2017, 04:12 PM
Ya know i have only looked at infowars once.

TomF
12-07-2017, 04:15 PM
Ya know i have only looked at infowars once.Good thing, eh? Imagine what damage you might have taken if you'd looked twice!

bobbys
12-07-2017, 04:20 PM
Good thing, eh? Imagine what damage you might have taken if you'd looked twice!.

Im going there now, thanks for the tip!

Joe (SoCal)
12-07-2017, 06:36 PM
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Im going there now, thanks for the tip!

While you go here I'll be here waiting for my Sunday Delivery

6954

Lew Barrett
12-08-2017, 10:37 AM
I read em all!

Just like Sarah Palin?

Garret
12-08-2017, 10:49 AM
Just like Sarah Palin?

That's why he keeps all the back copies in the shrine! ;)

Joe (SoCal)
12-08-2017, 12:39 PM
I love my SoCal Sunday New York Times delivery :)

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18519571_10210804345238165_8370290662599301992_n.j pg?oh=bbffb521800a86cae5c2ca6ef0666dcd&oe=5ACF652C

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18425337_10210804323637625_7518026191067212137_n.j pg?oh=33a77d9f8165522e377faf947a2bb611&oe=5AD7CB72

Yeadon
12-08-2017, 12:56 PM
If it wasn't the best, then they wouldn't called it The New York Times.

Joe (SoCal)
12-08-2017, 12:58 PM
^ Yeadon is right, of course.

Canoeyawl
12-08-2017, 02:50 PM
The NYT completely missed the Watergate/ Nixon deal. So much so that it led me to wonder if they were somehow paid off? (He was paying off plenty of people)

(Anyone that would trust any republican after watching that group, is surely missing a marble or two)