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  • Osborne Russell
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2006
    • 27131

    You have the right to consult with an attorney

    Congressman Lieu to Jared Kushner:

    Dear Jared Kushner: Lying on the SF-86 security clearance form is a crime. Michael Flynn hired a lawyer. You may also want to hire a lawyer.
    3:11 PM - 25 Apr 2017
    Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

    Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​
  • Canoez
    Did I say that out loud?
    • Sep 2007
    • 20611

    #2
    Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

    Originally posted by Osborne Russell
    Congressman Lieu to Jared Kushner:
    I'm pretty sure that Kushner and Flynn will not be the only ones in this administration who have lied by omission on that form.

    "I don't recall" should not be able to be used as a convenient excuse, when the interactions are so widely known.
    "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
    -William A. Ward

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    • oznabrag
      Historical Illiterate
      • Nov 2008
      • 40762

      #3
      Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

      Rattling the teacups.

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      • PatCassidy
        Senior Member
        • Oct 1999
        • 1274

        #4
        Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

        Chris Christie said the same thing to Kushner's dad.

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        • S.V. Airlie
          Ancient Mariner
          • Dec 2006
          • 63914

          #5
          Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

          Originally posted by Canoez
          I'm pretty sure that Kushner and Flynn will not be the only ones in this administration who have lied by omission on that form.

          "I don't recall" should not be able to be used as a convenient excuse, when the interactions are so widely known.
          But, it often is!

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          • amish rob
            Emperor For Life
            • Mar 2010
            • 24273

            #6
            Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

            Originally posted by oznabrag
            If you talk like Scooby Doo to the pup, she goes crazy. It is hilarious.

            Nothing else on this thread is. Well, not hilarious...

            Peace,
            Robert

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            • Canoez
              Did I say that out loud?
              • Sep 2007
              • 20611

              #7
              Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

              Originally posted by S.V. Airlie
              But, it often is!
              Oh, it often is, but when there is clear evidence, "poor memory" should not be allowed as an excuse. Call that what it is when he's called to testify about it - perjury.
              "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
              -William A. Ward

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              • Ian McColgin
                Senior Member
                • Apr 1999
                • 51639

                #8
                Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

                Just don't use AG Sessions. He'll be needing his own attorney.

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                • Canoez
                  Did I say that out loud?
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 20611

                  #9
                  Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

                  Originally posted by Ian McColgin
                  Just don't use AG Sessions. He'll be needing his own attorney.
                  I'd like to see the copy of his SF-86
                  "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
                  -William A. Ward

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                  • Norman Bernstein
                    Liberaltarian
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 25217

                    #10
                    Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

                    Geeez... Flynn was explicitly WARNED about this, in 2014!

                    Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn received an explicit warning against accepting payments from foreign nations upon his retirement from the Defense Intelligence Agency in 2014, CNN reports.

                    The House Oversight Committee said earlier this week that there was no evidence that Flynn disclosed payments for his foreign lobbying.

                    Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal reports the Pentagon’s internal watchdog has opened an investigation into whether Flynn violated the law.
                    In his own words: 'Lock him up!'
                    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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                    • Canoez
                      Did I say that out loud?
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 20611

                      #11
                      Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

                      Originally posted by Norman Bernstein
                      Geeez... Flynn was explicitly WARNED about this, in 2014!

                      In his own words: 'Lock him up!'
                      I'm of the opinion that if Flynn actually knows anything about the Russian issue, that he'll be the thin edge of the wedge into the Administration once charges are brought - he'll try to bargain his way out of jail time.
                      "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
                      -William A. Ward

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                      • Norman Bernstein
                        Liberaltarian
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 25217

                        #12
                        Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

                        More on this... just f****ing unbelievable!

                        President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, failed to heed warnings from the Pentagon about accepting foreign funds for a trip to Russia in 2015, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee announced Thursday.The Department of Defense sent classified documents to committee chairman Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), said ranking member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) at a news conference on Thursday. One of them, which is being prepared for public release, is a letter from the Defense Intelligence Agency to Flynn.

                        “This letter explicitly warned General Flynn, as he entered retirement, that the Constitution prohibited him from accepting any foreign government payments without advance permission,” Cummings said. “DIA did not locate any records of Lieutenant General Flynn seeking permission or approval for the receipt of money from a foreign source.”

                        But Flynn did accept the funds from Kremlin-backed news agency RT and failed to disclose them when he applied for a security clearance last year, Cummings and Chaffetz said Tuesday. He may have broken federal law.

                        Some of Flynn’s former staffers also warned him about accepting the $40,000 and participating in RT’s 10th anniversary gala. “Please, sir: don’t do this,” Simone Ledeen, who had worked with him in Afghanistan, said in an email at the time, according to The New Yorker. “It’s not just you. You’re a retired three-star general. It’s the Army. It’s all of the people who have been with you, all of these analysts known as ‘Flynn’s people.’”

                        A second letter revealed that “we have no evidence that he obtained permission from the Secretary of the Army and the Secretary of State to accept any foreign government payments, as required under the law,” Cummings said.

                        The White House never provided any documents related to what Flynn told the administration when he was vetted even though the committee formally requested it.

                        So they must have a “paper trail” of evidence, Cummings added. “I honestly do not understand why the White House is covering up for Michael Flynn. I watched [press secretary] Sean Spicer make all kinds of excuses about how hard it would be to comply with our requests. C’mon man.”

                        A third letter released shows the Pentagon’s inspector general announcement of yet another investigation of Flynn’s actions. Cummings said that Chaffetz, however, refused to have Flynn testify before their committee.

                        Committee members also expressed their support of the efforts to obtain documentation from the White House, according to a letter penned to Chaffetz on Thursday.

                        Trump named Flynn to be national security adviser in mid-November. Flynn resigned from the position in mid-February.
                        "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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                        • oznabrag
                          Historical Illiterate
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 40762

                          #13
                          Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

                          “I honestly do not understand why the White House is covering up for Michael Flynn.
                          Hilarious.
                          Rattling the teacups.

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                          • Osborne Russell
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 27131

                            #14
                            Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

                            Magic vetting can tell the Trump administration whether a Syrian refugee is a secret fundamentalist terrorist but not whether the SF86 of its Chief National Security Advisor is minimally adequate.
                            Do not speak of "our institutions" unless you make them yours by acting on their behalf.

                            Timothy Snyder, On Tyranny (2017)​

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                            • mariner2k
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2002
                              • 1762

                              #15
                              Re: You have the right to consult with an attorney

                              This is just one of many amazing indiscretions that the trump base just says...."meh".
                              I don't really know what it takes to burst their bubble.

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