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CK 17
04-12-2017, 11:27 AM
It worked out well for united, why not.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/12/alabama-senate-passes-controversial-bill-allowing-church-to-create-its-own-police-force/

eta: oops, should read senate.

Canoez
04-12-2017, 11:28 AM
Go 'Bama.

:(

:mad:

Arizona Bay
04-12-2017, 11:32 AM
Presbyterian Police?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAn7baRbhx4

Reynard38
04-12-2017, 11:33 AM
It worked out well for united, why not.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/04/12/alabama-senate-passes-controversial-bill-allowing-church-to-create-its-own-police-force/

eta: oops, should read senate.

Were the airport cops on United's payroll?

As to religious police Saudi Arabia already has them. I could see the talibaptists going down the same road.

oznabrag
04-12-2017, 11:33 AM
Theocracy, here we come!

Too Little Time
04-12-2017, 11:39 AM
Colleges seem to be allowed to handle crimes internally. Perhaps we should all have police powers on our property in in our own cars.

TomF
04-12-2017, 11:42 AM
Migod.

Canoez
04-12-2017, 11:52 AM
Colleges seem to be allowed to handle crimes internally. Perhaps we should all have police powers on our property in in our own cars.

Usually this is done badly in the case of sexual assault. The concern typically seems to keep the news out of the papers and is more about the college's reputation than application of the law.

I'd be willing to be that the Alabama Senate wouldn't allow a mosque or a temple to organize a similar police force.

John of Phoenix
04-12-2017, 12:07 PM
Might be more cost effective from a liability standpoint to hire a contingent of Swiss Guards. Especially the band platoon.

( :D )

https://remnantnewspaper.com/web/images/swisss_ceremony.jpg

stromborg
04-12-2017, 12:10 PM
It certainly sounds like a christian version of the much feared "Sharia Law" we heard so much about a few years back.

bamamick
04-12-2017, 12:20 PM
I am not exactly sure what this means. They can certainly employ security guards. Lots of churches all over the country are doing that already. But what do they mean by 'police'? I assume these 'police' will have no more authority than any other security company, and that all they can do is hold you until the civil police arrive? I guess they could shoot someone if they thought it necessary, but that doesn't mean they won't have to face a civil inquiry, does it?

Briarwood is a big outfit and the school they have there has been around a long time and is well-established. I can understand the congregation worrying that someone will try and make a political statement by making an attack of some kind on them because it is happening all over the place, but I don't know how these 'police' are supposed to deter that any differently than would Pinkertons or any other security company's employees?

Mickey Lake

oznabrag
04-12-2017, 12:41 PM
I am not exactly sure what this means. They can certainly employ security guards. Lots of churches all over the country are doing that already. But what do they mean by 'police'? I assume these 'police' will have no more authority than any other security company, and that all they can do is hold you until the civil police arrive? I guess they could shoot someone if they thought it necessary, but that doesn't mean they won't have to face a civil inquiry, does it?

Briarwood is a big outfit and the school they have there has been around a long time and is well-established. I can understand the congregation worrying that someone will try and make a political statement by making an attack of some kind on them because it is happening all over the place, but I don't know how these 'police' are supposed to deter that any differently than would Pinkertons or any other security company's employees?

Mickey Lake

I appreciate your input. I think the purpose of this is to establish precedent and to muddy the waters.

As you may have gathered, I am no fan of Republicans OR theocracy.

I was born at Anniston, as you may recall, and have had fond yearnings to return to North Alabama in retirement, so I may be more interested than many others.


All the best from sunny Dale, Texas!

Jim Bow
04-12-2017, 12:54 PM
Can't wait to see the uniforms. Will JC be on the shoulder patch?

stromborg
04-12-2017, 01:00 PM
I just read the bill
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/ALISON/SearchableInstruments/2017rs/PrintFiles/HB180-int.pdf

More than private security these will be sworn police officers. Does that make the church campus it's own fiefdom? I thought it was illegal to write legislation targeting a single entity? What are they so afraid of?

CK 17
04-12-2017, 01:09 PM
As the article asks: would a mosque be allowed to have its own police force. I'd like to suggest mosques stand a far greater chance of being attacked than a Christian church.

Canoez
04-12-2017, 01:32 PM
Just screams "Pinkerton's (https://www.pinkerton.com/about-us/history/)".

David W Pratt
04-12-2017, 02:35 PM
Roll Tide

SKIP KILPATRICK
04-12-2017, 02:50 PM
As a point of clarification: Briarwood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Briarwood_Presbyterian_Church

is not your average Presbyterian Church. It is not a member of Presbyterian Church (USA)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_(USA)

it is a member of the much more conservative Presbyterian Church in America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_America.

Phillip Allen
04-12-2017, 03:58 PM
Were the airport cops on United's payroll?

As to religious police Saudi Arabia already has them. I could see the talibaptists going down the same road.

we agree

sharpiefan
04-12-2017, 03:58 PM
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Phillip Allen
04-12-2017, 04:01 PM
I am not exactly sure what this means. They can certainly employ security guards. Lots of churches all over the country are doing that already. But what do they mean by 'police'? I assume these 'police' will have no more authority than any other security company, and that all they can do is hold you until the civil police arrive? I guess they could shoot someone if they thought it necessary, but that doesn't mean they won't have to face a civil inquiry, does it?

Briarwood is a big outfit and the school they have there has been around a long time and is well-established. I can understand the congregation worrying that someone will try and make a political statement by making an attack of some kind on them because it is happening all over the place, but I don't know how these 'police' are supposed to deter that any differently than would Pinkertons or any other security company's employees?

Mickey Lake

no taxes?

skuthorp
04-12-2017, 04:20 PM
Does this not violate the church/state para's in the constitution?
If it gives the power to swear officers loyal to the church not the state, and powers of arrest then will they have their own courts, judges, lawyers etc, or are they talking of an ecclesiastical court with powers the stat does not have?

Phillip Allen
04-12-2017, 04:22 PM
Does this not violate the church/state para's in the constitution?
If it gives the power to swear officers loyal to the church not the state, and powers of arrest then will they have their own courts, judges, lawyers etc, or are they talking of an ecclesiastical court with powers the stat does not have?

the stake?