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Barney Miller
03-26-2017, 02:49 PM
HELP! First , I would like to join the Forum
I'm an old guy who needs some guidance. I bought the plans , and book from wooden boat school, in Maine. I am 4 yrs into it and am getting concerned, that it will outlive me.
I am at the planking stage. Questions:
Hardware , is given in the book, but nothing about approx quantity of screws, # 8 s , 10 s, 12s etc.. They are expensive and if you live a long distance, from a supplier, it would help very much if you could start with the approx number.
The same applies with the bolts, approx # and sizes would be very helpful .
Bronze or stainless, and is it dependent on the screw location, does it depend on fresh water or salt.
The plans don't seem to work at stations 3 to 9 ahead of the Bedlog. Are the out by 3/4 of an inch or is this not a problem , with anyone else.
Paint, in and out, and approx quantity .


Thank you boat builders out there ,for any help you can offer, especially with the hardware.

Ian McColgin
03-26-2017, 03:07 PM
Many standard texts will tell you the gauge. For length, you want the solid part to extend beyond the plank and into the frame by a little - remember to allow the depth for the countersink - and the tip to not come out the inside of the frame. Get any of the many good boatbuilding books - Bud MacIntosh for example - to get the hang.

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Barney Miller
03-26-2017, 03:48 PM
Thank you Ian. Your detail is appreciated . Can you also shed any light on how many 100's I would need for an initial order.
barney miller

Ian McColgin
03-26-2017, 03:59 PM
Here's a pic from last year of one under construction at Pease (now First Light). The delicate frames are laid on the station molds. And two screws per plank per frame. Once you have lined off the planks you could start adding it up.

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Ian McColgin
03-26-2017, 04:02 PM
An earlier shot. Many ways the frames are held against the station molds.

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Bill Wiegmann
03-27-2017, 05:28 AM
For planks (1" #8 bronze) figure 24 stations times 12 planks times two screws per station equals 576. These screws are used almost everywhere in the boat (think floorboards, decks, etc.), however, so you might as well order 1000 to start, unless that produces a cash flow problem. I was an hour's drive from my supplier, so I used to project ahead how much I was going to get done in the next month, look at the book to see what fasteners would be needed for those projects and buy those fasteners. You can always use any excess on your next boat, but you can't build this one with fewer than you need.

Jim Ledger
03-27-2017, 07:48 AM
Where I live it take an order from Jamestown Distributors one day to get to my door. If you live further away it might take a few days more. That being so it makes little sense to stock up on fasteners before you actually need them. If I were you I would buy a small assortment of common sizes, in box quantities, just to get going. Once you're into planking it's easy to see how they will last and when you'll need more. This way you avoid over-buying and keep your options open regarding different sizes.

Barney Miller
03-27-2017, 07:54 AM
For planks (1" #8 bronze) figure 24 stations times 12 planks times two screws per station equals 576. These screws are used almost everywhere in the boat (think floorboards, decks, etc.), however, so you might as well order 1000 to start, unless that produces a cash flow problem. I was an hour's drive from my supplier, so I used to project ahead how much I was going to get done in the next month, look at the book to see what fasteners would be needed for those projects and buy those fasteners. You can always use any excess on your next boat, but you can't build this one with fewer than you need.



Thank you Bill.
We visited Deer Isle and loved it.
Barney

wizbang 13
03-27-2017, 07:11 PM
Barney, share with us please, who convinced you to build one of the worlds most difficult boats , in the history of mankind, to attempt as your virgin build?

webishop14
04-02-2017, 06:09 PM
Dang it Wiz, you shouldna told him.