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Giddy Up
02-13-2017, 06:08 PM
Lots written about how nicely the 13' boat sails. Has anyone seen or built a 16'?
The 16 footer has a different sail plan I think. Does it sail as well as the smaller version?
Thank you.

Ben Fuller
02-13-2017, 07:12 PM
Lots of folks have built the 16 footer. Done plenty of cruising and are faster than the smaller one. Very stable. They are not pleasant under oars.

SBrookman
02-13-2017, 07:16 PM
There are several threads of melonseed builds on this forum, just do a search. Here is a link with a lot more: http://traditionalsmallcraft.com/Melonseed.html

I built a 16' MS (http://traditionalsmallcraft.com/Rivus.html) using the plans from the WoodenBoat Store. It's been a great boat.
http://traditionalsmallcraft.com/Images/Rivus/Messabout1.jpg

Giddy Up
02-13-2017, 08:10 PM
I like the boom in your photo! Is there "purpose" in the white paint on the ends of the spars?
It sure is a pretty boat!

I like the idea of the 16' for size. Enables 2 adults more comfortably, yes?
Thanks.

SBrookman
02-14-2017, 04:31 PM
[QUOTE=Giddy Up;5158967]I like the boom in your photo! Is there "purpose" in the white paint on the ends of the spars?
It sure is a pretty boat!

I like the idea of the 16' for size. Enables 2 adults more comfortably, yes?
Thanks.[/QUOTE.
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White paint on the spar ends is traditional, gives them visibility especially at night.

The 16' is good for 2, 3 if small. Sails great, especially with larger then designed sail, and as Ben said, not really great for rowing any distance.

Giddy Up
02-14-2017, 07:20 PM
Steve,
Is your sail plan per the WB plans, or is it larger?
Bill

SBrookman
02-14-2017, 09:19 PM
The hull is from WB plans (Barto), the sail plan is from John Brady (120sf vs Barto's 90sf). You can find more information than you probably care to know by clicking on the Rivus link below.

Giddy Up
02-15-2017, 11:05 AM
The hull is from WB plans (Barto), the sail plan is from John Brady (120sf vs Barto's 90sf). You can find more information than you probably care to know by clicking on the Rivus link below.

Steve, Thank you for the replies. You have a video at the NW Festival in Port Townsend. Are you a west coast guy? Might I see you there this September?
I am working on a MS 1/2 hull at the moment. I'd love to find a builder to provide the know how / experience and be able to work along side. Does that seem feasible?
Know anyone on the west coast I could talk to about a project like that?

Bill

SBrookman
02-15-2017, 03:52 PM
Bill, you must have the wrong Steve, I don't have any videos, and the location in the upper right is correct. I'm about as far from the PNW as you can get (and still be in the US)

I'd recommend buying John Brooks "How to Build Glued Lapstrake Wooden Boats (http://www.brooksboatsdesigns.com/page21/page24/page24.html)" Then buy some wood and go at it.

webishop14
02-19-2017, 01:57 PM
I have a general boat-building question that arose specifically with regards the Melon Seed (which I too look forward to building): The planks for the 16' build (plywood, in this case) are 8'. The builder I had encountered stated that because of this, all his scarves would be at the same location, right at mid-ship. I question the wisdom of having all the scarves line up so close together. The fix, of course, would be to intermix with planks having two scarf joints. Any thoughts on this?

(another) Bill

SNAPMAN
02-19-2017, 02:32 PM
I wouldn't line up the scarves. Unless you are making a snap apart boat. Take a look at a recent thread http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?191091-Southern-Sooty-Tern and you will see how it should be done.

Alan
https://sites.google.com/site/helium12sofsailboat/

webishop14
02-19-2017, 03:01 PM
Snapman --

Agreed. And once resigned to two-scarf planks, the scarves can be jogged fairly efficiently, ie. spaced apart. It just requires planning the planking ahead of time.

Bill

Giddy Up
03-22-2017, 06:03 PM
Steve,
Is the John Brady 120sf sail plan available at the WB Store as well?
I want to find a boat builder on the west coast SF Bay Area or Port Townsend area. Want to build along side someone who's been there before.
What council do you have to interviewing a builder?
Thanks
Bill

upchurchmr
03-22-2017, 07:14 PM
Bill,

See below for the contact for the Brady Melonseed plans.



John Brady <jbrady@phillyseaport.org> (jbrady@phillyseaport.org)

Mar 9 at 7:31 PM

To

Marc Upchurch (upchurchmr@yahoo.com)


CC

Terry Potter (tpotter@phillyseaport.org)






Message body Marc

The plans are available from our library. Several boats have been built to them including one by me. Contact our library director, Terry Potter for copies. tpotter@phillyseaport.org I would build the boat lighter than drawn. None of the versions were glued lap plywood, two were traditional lapstrake and one was strip built, but the boat would be very well suited to the glued lap construction method. I was very pleased with the boat, she is seaworthy for a 16í boat and reasonably fast. If redrawing her completely I would also raise the freeboard by a few inches. Iíve attached a couple pictures of the boat I built.

John Brady

President and CEO

Independence Seaport Museum

211 S. Columbus Blvd. | Philadelphia, PA 19106

215-413-8637 | jbrady@phillyseaport.or (jbrady@phillyseaport.org)g

phillyseaport.org (http://www.phillyseaport.org/)





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From: Marc Upchurch <upchurchmr@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Marc Upchurch <upchurchmr@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, March 9, 2017 at 7:38 PM
To: John Brady <jbrady@phillyseaport.org>
Subject: Melonseed Plans



John,



I have been reading old Woodenboat Forum threads on Melonseeds.

One reference was to plans you drew for a 16' with a wider beam, and I think 120 sq ft sail area.



Steve Brookman said he bought plans from you in about 2010.



Would you still be able to provide plans?



If so, I also would be interested in any changes you would make now.



Thanks,



Marc Upchurch

817-600-1615

Ft. Worth, Tx

SBrookman
03-23-2017, 06:12 AM
Steve,
Is the John Brady 120sf sail plan available at the WB Store as well?
I want to find a boat builder on the west coast SF Bay Area or Port Townsend area. Want to build along side someone who's been there before.
What council do you have to interviewing a builder?
Thanks
Bill

Bill, Marc has given you the info for ordering Brady's plans. As for building advice, I can't provide any specifics for your areas. I would get involved with the local boating scene and ask. TSCA (http://tsca.net/) would be a good start. There is enough info on web and books for a first time builder to build one. Many of us have.