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Gerarddm
02-02-2017, 01:00 PM
I read a disapproving article that said that she hadn't hired a staff yet. Frankly, I have never thought that the First lady owed the people anything at all. Yes, it was very good to have powerful and influential wives like Eleanor Roosevelt and Rosalynn Carter and Michelle Obama, but the Mamie Eisenhowers and Bess Trumans of the world deserved to be left in peace too.

If the current First Lady would rather stay in NYC, so what, I say. Especially since she can't or won't serve as a counterweight to her husband. Let her stay arm candy, if that is what she is most comfortable at.

David G
02-02-2017, 01:06 PM
I'd tend to agree.

Keith Wilson
02-02-2017, 01:14 PM
Likewise. She wasn't elected to anything; not her job. If she wants to follow tradition and do good works according to her lights, fine, but it's not required.

StevenBauer
02-02-2017, 01:18 PM
Sadly, we the taxpayers are paying $400,000 to $500,000 a day for security for trump Tower. That's going to add up quickly.

Norman Bernstein
02-02-2017, 01:22 PM
I have no reason to believe that she's anything but a nice person... but to be really frank, I don't think she has the intellectual horsepower to play any role in national issues, like Michelle or many of the previous First Ladies have.

Maybe she realizes this, as well.

Ted Hoppe
02-02-2017, 01:23 PM
Sadly, we the taxpayers are paying $400,000 to $500,000 a day for security for trump Tower. That's going to add up quickly.

How much of that goes for rent to Trump enterprises? We are being fleeced so quickly.

Figment
02-02-2017, 01:38 PM
Agreed wholeheartedly. Let her live her life and look after the boy.

Peerie Maa
02-02-2017, 01:39 PM
Sadly, we the taxpayers are paying $400,000 to $500,000 a day for security for trump Tower. That's going to add up quickly.

see, Trump is creating jobs already.

Peerie Maa
02-02-2017, 01:41 PM
I have no reason to believe that she's anything but a nice person... but to be really frank, I don't think she has the intellectual horsepower to play any role in national issues, like Michelle or many of the previous First Ladies have.

Maybe she realizes this, as well.

She is still going to have to hold her end up in conversation with Philip or Camilla.

SMARTINSEN
02-02-2017, 01:41 PM
She does not fit in with the anti-immigrant tone set by her husband. These people do not do irony very well.

Norman Bernstein
02-02-2017, 01:42 PM
She is still going to have to hold her end up in conversation with Philip or Camilla.

From what I've read, Melania just might actually be Phillip and Camilia's intellectual equal :)

Peerie Maa
02-02-2017, 01:51 PM
From what I've read, Melania just might actually be Phillip and Camilia's intellectual equal :)

Is she this bright?

After leaving Gordonstoun in 1939, Prince Philip joined the Royal Navy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy), graduating the next year from the Royal Naval College, Dartmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia_Royal_Naval_College), as the best cadet in his course.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-royalgov-17) During the Second World War, he continued to serve in the British forces, while two of his brothers-in-law, Prince Christopher of Hesse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Christopher_of_Hesse) and Berthold, Margrave of Baden (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berthold,_Margrave_of_Baden), fought on the opposing German side.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-18) He was appointed as a midshipman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midshipman) in January 1940. Philip spent four months on the battleship HMS Ramillies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ramillies_%2807%29), protecting convoys of the Australian Expeditionary Force in the Indian Ocean, followed by shorter postings on HMS Kent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Kent_%2854%29), on HMS Shropshire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Shropshire_%2873%29) and in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka)). After the invasion of Greece by Italy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Italian_War) in October 1940, he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Valiant_%281914%29) in the Mediterranean Fleet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Fleet_%28United_Kingdom%29).[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-19)

Among other engagements, Philip was involved in the Battle of Crete (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Crete), and was mentioned in despatches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentioned_in_Despatches) for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cape_Matapan), in which he controlled the battleship's searchlights. He was also awarded the Greek War Cross (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_Cross) of Valour.[16] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-royalgov-17) Duties of lesser glory included stoking the boilers of the troop transport ship RMS Empress of Russia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Empress_of_Russia_%281913%29).[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-20) He was commissioned as a sub-lieutenant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-lieutenant) after a series of courses at Portsmouth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsmouth) in which he gained the top grade in four out of five sections of the qualifying examination.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-21) In June 1942, he was appointed to the V and W class destroyer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_and_W_class_destroyer) and flotilla leader (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flotilla_leader) HMS Wallace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thornycroft_type_leader), which was involved in convoy escort tasks on the east coast of Britain, as well as the allied invasion of Sicily (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Sicily).[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-smith-22)

Promotion to lieutenant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant_%28Royal_Navy%29) followed on 16 July 1942. In October of the same year he became first lieutenant of HMS Wallace, at 21 years old one of the youngest first lieutenants in the Royal Navy. During the invasion of Sicily, in July 1943, as second in command of HMS Wallace, he saved his ship from a night bomber attack. He devised a plan to launch a raft with smoke floats that successfully distracted the bombers allowing the ship to slip away unnoticed.[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-smith-22) In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Whelp_%28R37%29), where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Pacific_Fleet) in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla.[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-23)[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-24) He was present in Tokyo Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Bay) when the instrument of Japanese surrender (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan) was signed. In January 1946, Philip returned to the United Kingdom on the Whelp, and was posted as an instructor at HMS Royal Arthur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Royal_Arthur_%28shore_establishment%29), the Petty Officers' School in Corsham (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corsham), Wiltshire.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Philip,_Duke_of_Edinburgh#cite_note-25)

Norman Bernstein
02-02-2017, 01:55 PM
Is she this bright?

Sorry, I got momentarily confused. When you mentioned Camilla, my mind pictured Charles, not Phillip.

Peerie Maa
02-02-2017, 02:07 PM
Sorry, I got momentarily confused. When you mentioned Camilla, my mind pictured Charles, not Phillip.

Oh you mean him?

Following family tradition, Charles served in the navy and air force. After requesting and receiving Royal Air Force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force) training during his second year at Cambridge, on 8 March 1971, he flew himself to the Royal Air Force College Cranwell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Cranwell) to train as a jet pilot.[31] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBrandreth2007169-170-33) Following the passing-out parade that September, he embarked on a naval career, enrolling in a six-week course at the Royal Naval College Dartmouth and then serving on the guided missile destroyer HMS Norfolk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Norfolk_%28D21%29) (1971–1972) and the frigates HMS Minerva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Minerva_%28F45%29) (1972–1973) and HMS Jupiter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Jupiter_%28F60%29) (1974). He also qualified as a helicopter pilot at RNAS Yeovilton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNAS_Yeovilton_%28HMS_Heron%29) in 1974, just prior to joining 845 Naval Air Squadron, operating from HMS Hermes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Hermes_%28R12%29).[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBrandreth2007170-34)
On 9 February 1976, he took command of the coastal minehunter HMS Bronington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Bronington_%28M1115%29) for his last ten months serving actively in the navy.[32] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales#cite_note-FOOTNOTEBrandreth2007170-34) He learned to fly on a Chipmunk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Canada_DHC-1_Chipmunk) basic pilot trainer, a BAC Jet Provost (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAC_Jet_Provost) jet trainer, and a Beagle Basset (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Basset) multi-engine trainer; he then regularly flew the Hawker Siddeley Andover (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Siddeley_Andover), Westland Wessex (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westland_Wessex) and BAe 146 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAe_146) aircraft of The Queen's Flight (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queen%27s_Flight).[33 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles,_Prince_of_Wales#cite_note-35)
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B5E1B8/high-flyer-prince-charles-at-the-controls-of-a-helicopter-in-september-B5E1B8.jpg

bobbys
02-02-2017, 02:08 PM
I have no reason to believe that she's anything but a nice person... but to be really frank, I don't think she has the intellectual horsepower to play any role in national issues, like Michelle or many of the previous First Ladies have.

Maybe she realizes this, as well.
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Can you point to any post you ever made where you thought any republican or spouse matched Obama or his wife in the smarts department?

CWSmith
02-02-2017, 02:11 PM
If she wants to stay out of the limelight, I am more than content to give her a pass.

Boater14
02-02-2017, 02:19 PM
I got a problem with her staying in New York and you should to. The reeps would have the cost to the secret service and nypd down to the penny. She needs to get into the White House.

Norman Bernstein
02-02-2017, 02:19 PM
Can you point to any post you ever made where you thought any republican or spouse matched Obama or his wife in the smarts department?

No, I can't, because I cannot think of any President or spouse that could match both Barack and Michelle Obama's intelligence. The closest was probably Bill Clinton, who was a Rhodes scholar... and Hillary was also quite smart. CERTAINLY not either of the Bushes, Reagan, Nixon, Carter, or Ford. Trump, by conventional measures, has been well educated... but only VERY narrowly, and had virtually NO education that could have prepared him for the Presidency. He was a real estate speculator who made a lot of deals... and failed in a fair number of them.

Peerie Maa
02-02-2017, 04:13 PM
Trump, by conventional measures, has been well educated... but only VERY narrowly, and had virtually NO education that could have prepared him for the Presidency. He was a real estate speculator who made a lot of deals... and failed in a fair number of them.

I am constantly reminded about the joke about millionaire yachtsmen. "How do you make a small fortune out of yachting? Start with . . . "

Phillip Allen
02-02-2017, 04:25 PM
Jackie Kennedy...

skuthorp
02-02-2017, 04:33 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that Donald may prefer she's not around and so might she?

Gerarddm
02-02-2017, 04:39 PM
I have heard some disparagement about her intellectual horsepower, but then Melania evidently speaks six languages, and I for one sure as hell don't. I am not saying she is smart, just fluid in her languages, which speaks to a mind that is at least a bit nimble.

ERGR
02-02-2017, 04:40 PM
Melania didn't choose to run for first lady. So far I haven't seen any indication that Melania is stupid. She doesn't seem to be comfortable with delivering political speeches for an audience of millions of people, speeches that might be for a cause she doesn't believe in and in a language that isn't her native language. That seems reasonable to me.

I've read insinuations that she would be pro Russia, probably because she comes from the former eastern block. My experience is that people living close to Russia generally are anti Russia, unless they are ethnic Russians. As far as I know, there aren't any historical ties between Russia and Slovenia or any other reasons for a Slovenian to be pro Russian. Slovenia was very eager to join NATO as soon as they had the opportunity.

I strongly believe that Donald and Melania choose each other for other reasons then a common political outlook, so I think it's unfair to hold his politics against her. According to Wikipedia, Melania speaks six languages (about five more than the average American) which indicates some intelligence. So, I agree that Melania should be left alone unless she chooses to get involved in politics. I would prefer Melania over Donald as a president of the USA. At least she hasn't said or done anything (that I know of) that for me is totally unacceptable for a person holding any political office.

Erik

David G
02-02-2017, 04:41 PM
If she wants to stay out of the limelight, I am more than content to give her a pass.

Agreed. And to the extent she chooses to speak up, she becomes a Public Figure, and will be subject to the increased scrutiny, and sometimes-unfair judgements which result.

John Smith
02-02-2017, 04:46 PM
She does not fit in with the anti-immigrant tone set by her husband. These people do not do irony very well.

Which reminds me. He never did prove she was here legally.

Norman Bernstein
02-02-2017, 04:50 PM
I have heard some disparagement about her intellectual horsepower, but then Melania evidently speaks six languages, and I for one sure as hell don't. I am not saying she is smart, just fluid in her languages, which speaks to a mind that is at least a bit nimble.

I'm impressed with her language ability.... but that's a consequence of where she was brought up, more than anything else.

We've heard little from her. I don't knock her intelligence because of the plagiarism in her speech... that was clearly some speechwriter's fault.

However, when she was asked about her ambitions as First Lady, she mumbled something about wanting to encourage civility in public discourse.... and considering her husband, I don't think THAT can be blamed on anyone else but her... it was a hugely tone-deaf statement. THAT is why I question her intellectual capacity.

However, I agree with everyone else who believes that the media ought to leave her alone, unless/until she decides to come out of the shadow and into the spotlight.

StevenBauer
02-02-2017, 05:18 PM
How much of that goes for rent to Trump enterprises? We are being fleeced so quickly.

A lot, I'm sure. When I was there a few months ago 56th street was closed between 5th Ave. and Madison Ave. There were those scissor-lift lookout towers on several adjacent corners plus command centers and security stations. And he wasn't even president yet.

McMike
02-02-2017, 05:25 PM
Sadly, we the taxpayers are paying $400,000 to $500,000 a day for security for trump Tower. That's going to add up quickly.

Bingo! She needs to live in the White House or have sugar daddy pay for the Secret Service to keep her safe in NYC.

Yeadon
02-02-2017, 05:27 PM
Melania Trump has nothing to offer, so we cannot ever truly expect her to owe us anything.

Lew Barrett
02-02-2017, 06:57 PM
Jackie Kennedy...

That security detail didn't work out so well. Different era, different world, different price. Did she even have a large force detailed to guard her?

bamamick
02-02-2017, 07:49 PM
I would imagine Mrs. Trump already has a substantial staff working for her now, right?

Mickey Lake

Yeadon
02-02-2017, 07:55 PM
That botox doesn't inject her all by itself.

Gerarddm
02-02-2017, 08:02 PM
#33: No, and that's the point. If she is not an activist, I don't see why my taxpayer dollars have to pay for her chief of staff, press secretary, etc. because she doesn't need any. There is enough bloat in bureaucracies without adding to it.

bamamick
02-02-2017, 08:15 PM
I did not mean as the First Lady. I meant that as Mrs. Trump she no doubt has everything done for her a person would want already. I doubt she is the one going to Costco.

Mickey Lake

Canoeyawl
02-02-2017, 10:28 PM
Oh you mean him?




He dabbles in watercolor also

http://i2.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article2824058.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/painting1.jpg

Cuyahoga Chuck
02-02-2017, 10:54 PM
I have heard some disparagement about her intellectual horsepower, but then Melania evidently speaks six languages, and I for one sure as hell don't. I am not saying she is smart, just fluid in her languages, which speaks to a mind that is at least a bit nimble.

Slovenia is a small country (about 1.5 million souls) boxed in by Italy, Croatia and Austria. Plenty of opportunity to learn conversational versions of those languages. The Slovenian language is South Slav like Croatian, Serbian and Bosnian. Conversing with those folks would be a walk in the park.

skuthorp
02-02-2017, 10:57 PM
Slovenia is likely to be one of the targets if Trump's mate Vlad get's a bit expansionist.

Sky Blue
02-02-2017, 11:02 PM
let her stay as arm candy

and


she has nothing to offer


Why is it OK to say this demeaning kind of stuff, if you're a male Democrat that supported the Womens' marches, opposed Trump for his alleged treatment of women, and the rest of that whole grab bag?

pcford
02-02-2017, 11:12 PM
That botox doesn't inject her all by itself.

So rude you are these days. Inactivity does not suit you.

L.W. Baxter
02-02-2017, 11:17 PM
That botox doesn't inject her all by itself.

Someday, in that bright, shiny future, it will.

Yeadon
02-02-2017, 11:48 PM
Make Melania Great Again.

We have the technology.

Barry
02-03-2017, 12:15 AM
and




Why is it OK to say this demeaning kind of stuff, if you're a male Democrat that supported the Womens' marches, opposed Trump for his alleged treatment of women, and the rest of that whole grab bag?

Why is it not OK?

paulf
02-03-2017, 12:22 AM
Sorry, I got momentarily confused. When you mentioned Camilla, my mind pictured Charles, not Phillip.

To Norman, you English all look alike

Yeadon
02-03-2017, 12:37 AM
and

Why is it OK to say this demeaning kind of stuff, if you're a male Democrat that supported the Womens' marches, opposed Trump for his alleged treatment of women, and the rest of that whole grab bag?

You said "Trump" and "grab bag" in the same sentence.

Sky Blue
02-03-2017, 01:18 AM
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/grab%20bag

pcford
02-03-2017, 01:28 AM
You said "Trump" and "grab bag" in the same sentence.

yeadon does have a sense of humor I will give that to him.

Bob (oh, THAT Bob)
02-03-2017, 07:35 AM
I have no reason to believe that she's anything but a nice person... but to be really frank, I don't think she has the intellectual horsepower to play any role in national issues, like Michelle or many of the previous First Ladies have.

Maybe she realizes this, as well.

Michelle Obama was extraordinarily qualified. Hillary was good on paper too, too bad she sold her soul since that time. Melania Trump didn't go to law school, and I wouldn't judge her based on that, but she also speaks SIX languages, which is something I wish I could do. English, French, Italian, German, Serbo-Croatian and her native Slovene.

LeeG
02-03-2017, 09:59 AM
Is it $400,000/day for security? I would think fiscal conservatives would balk at paying for that. That's about 1/3 the amount of money Planned Parenthood gets from various Federal agencies.

Sky Blue
02-03-2017, 10:05 AM
yeadon does have a sense of humor I will give that to him.

He's very smart to have come up with his rebuttal so quickly with just a couple of words to work with.

PatCassidy
02-03-2017, 10:07 AM
She spoke at the Republican Convention and she stated that she would have a role in the new administration - campaigning against cyber-bullying. Ironic that Trump recently called Chuck Schemer a crybaby. And she lied about her resume.

And like it or not she is a role model.

oznabrag
02-03-2017, 10:17 AM
Has it occurred to anyone that Donald may prefer she's not around and so might she?

I don't give a rip about their marital discord.

That piece of shtuff is costing the US Taxpayer roughly $730M in extra security over the course of his term because he won't live in the White House.

Is that a moral stance?

No. Saying the government spends too much money, and then diverting 3-4 million a week into your own back pocket is NOT moral.

Is he simply a con man?

Yes.

StevenBauer
02-03-2017, 10:20 AM
Is it $400,000/day for security? I would think fiscal conservatives would balk at paying for that. That's about 1/3 the amount of money Planned Parenthood gets from various Federal agencies.

Some estimates have it closer to $500,000 per day. Even at $400,000 that's $146 million per year. If he makes it for four years that's almost $600 million.

LeeG
02-03-2017, 10:21 AM
I don't give a rip about their marital discord.

That piece of shtuff is costing the US Taxpayer roughly $730M in extra security over the course of his term because he won't live in the White House.

Is that a moral stance?

No. Saying the government spends too much money, and then diverting 3-4 million a week into your own back pocket is NOT moral.

Is he simply a con man?

Yes.

But what does Joe Six Pack say?

LeeG
02-03-2017, 10:22 AM
Some estimates have it closer to $500,000 per day. Even at $400,000 that's $146 million per year. If he makes it for four years that's almost $600 million.

Remember when folks had such a cow about Nancy Pelosi's travel costs?

PatCassidy
02-03-2017, 10:37 AM
She spoke at the Republican Convention and she stated that she would have a role in the new administration - campaigning against cyber-bullying. Ironic that Trump recently called Chuck Schemer a crybaby.

Yet at the same time she is staying in New York and trying to stay out of the news. There are many more things to be much more concerned about.