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  • genglandoh
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 10538

    UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

    Iran conducted a missile test yesterday that is in violation on UN resolution 2231.

    Title: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test
    Link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...sile-test.html

    Title: Iran tests ballistic missile in defiance of UN resolution, US officials say
    U.N. resolution 2231 -- put in place days after the Iran nuclear deal was signed -- calls on the Islamic Republic not to conduct such tests. However, this is at least Iran's second such test since July. The resolution bars Iran from conducting ballistic missile tests for eight years and went into effect July 20, 2015.
    Link: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/...D=ansmsnnews11
    "The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can’t do." Captain Jack Sparrow
  • Norman Bernstein
    Liberaltarian
    • Nov 2004
    • 25217

    #2
    Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

    What would you like to do? Start a war? Drop a nuke on them?
    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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    • LeeG
      Senior Member
      • May 2002
      • 72781

      #3
      Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

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      • LeeG
        Senior Member
        • May 2002
        • 72781

        #4
        Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

        Originally posted by Norman Bernstein
        What would you like to do? Start a war? Drop a nuke on them?
        Pretty sure he would like people to feel as anxious as he does that there's a boogieman out there, oh, Israel, Obama, whatever.

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        • LeeG
          Senior Member
          • May 2002
          • 72781

          #5
          Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

          Originally posted by delecta
          Let's give them some tech and make it happen, everyone knows what they want to do.
          Ahh yes, because we hold the magic rings of power no one else can wield the big stick like we can! You might want to consider that "tech" isn't a totem we possess.

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          • Ian McColgin
            Senior Member
            • Apr 1999
            • 51639

            #6
            Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

            [IMc - It can be reasonably argued that this exact failed test is not a treaty violation. And if it's not, then one can't condemn Iran for staying within the terms of the treaty.]

            NEWS WORLD U.S.INVESTIGATIONSCRIME & COURTSASIAN AMERICALATINONBCBLK
            NEWS JAN 31 2017, 7:07 AM ET

            Iran Test-Fires Medium Range Ballistic Missile: U.S. Officials
            by ALEXANDER SMITH, COURTNEY KUBE and ALI AROUZISHARE

            Iran has test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile, the first launch of its kind since President Donald Trump took office, according to two U.S. defense officials.

            The United States deemed the launch to be a failure, after the missile flew more than 500 miles before crashing, according to the officials who spoke to NBC News on Monday on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak with the press.

            The test-fire poses a challenge for Trump's fledgling administration. During the campaign, he took several stances on the Iran nuclear deal signed by Barack Obama and other world powers in 2015, vowing to strictly police the agreement or renegotiate it entirely.

            Iran used to be prohibited from test-firing ballistic missiles under previous U.N. resolutions. However, these were superseded by a new resolution passed alongside the nuclear deal.

            This only "called upon" Iran not to test-fire missiles that could be used to deliver nuclear weapons. Critics of the deal say this wording is effectively a loophole meaning the missile-testing restrictions are not obligatory.

            The government in Tehran says that because it doesn't have a nuclear-weapons program its missile tests are not violations of this clause.

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            FROM JUNE 6: Iran Won't Allow Trump to Rip Up Nuclear Deal, Rouhani Says 0:35
            Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif didn't confirm or deny the launch during a press conference Tuesday but struck a defiant tone over the international restrictions.

            "The missiles aren't part of the nuclear accords," he said, according to Reuters. "Iran will never use missiles produced in Iran to attack any other country."

            Zarif added: "We're not going to wait for others' permission to defend ourselves ... Maybe the new government that has already shown its image internationally will use this against Iran to start new tension."

            The U.S. and Israeli governments on Monday both accused Iran of test-firing the missile, with Israeli Prime Minister ‎Benjamin Netanyahu calling it a "flagrant violation of a U.N. Security Council resolution" and saying that "Iranian aggression must not go unanswered."

            Meanwhile, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said he was "aware that Iran fired that missile" and that the Trump administration was "looking into the exact nature of it."

            Iran was one of seven Muslim-majority countries whose citizens were subject to travel restrictions imposed by the Trump administration.

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            • Norman Bernstein
              Liberaltarian
              • Nov 2004
              • 25217

              #7
              Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

              Originally posted by delecta
              We financed this adventure, we all know what they want to accomplish, seems to me the powers to be wanted the same out come.
              So, what do you suggest doing about it?

              Start a war?

              Drop a nuke on them?
              "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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              • genglandoh
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 10538

                #8
                Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

                Originally posted by Ian McColgin
                [IMc - It can be reasonably argued that this exact failed test is not a treaty violation. And if it's not, then one can't condemn Iran for staying within the terms of the treaty.]

                NEWS WORLD U.S.INVESTIGATIONSCRIME & COURTSASIAN AMERICALATINONBCBLK
                NEWS JAN 31 2017, 7:07 AM ET

                Iran Test-Fires Medium Range Ballistic Missile: U.S. Officials
                by ALEXANDER SMITH, COURTNEY KUBE and ALI AROUZISHARE

                Iran has test-fired a medium-range ballistic missile, the first launch of its kind since President Donald Trump took office, according to two U.S. defense officials.

                The United States deemed the launch to be a failure, after the missile flew more than 500 miles before crashing, according to the officials who spoke to NBC News on Monday on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak with the press.

                The test-fire poses a challenge for Trump's fledgling administration. During the campaign, he took several stances on the Iran nuclear deal signed by Barack Obama and other world powers in 2015, vowing to strictly police the agreement or renegotiate it entirely.

                Iran used to be prohibited from test-firing ballistic missiles under previous U.N. resolutions. However, these were superseded by a new resolution passed alongside the nuclear deal.

                This only "called upon" Iran not to test-fire missiles that could be used to deliver nuclear weapons. Critics of the deal say this wording is effectively a loophole meaning the missile-testing restrictions are not obligatory.

                The government in Tehran says that because it doesn't have a nuclear-weapons program its missile tests are not violations of this clause.

                Play Facebook Twitter Google PlusEmbed
                FROM JUNE 6: Iran Won't Allow Trump to Rip Up Nuclear Deal, Rouhani Says 0:35
                Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif didn't confirm or deny the launch during a press conference Tuesday but struck a defiant tone over the international restrictions.

                "The missiles aren't part of the nuclear accords," he said, according to Reuters. "Iran will never use missiles produced in Iran to attack any other country."

                Zarif added: "We're not going to wait for others' permission to defend ourselves ... Maybe the new government that has already shown its image internationally will use this against Iran to start new tension."

                The U.S. and Israeli governments on Monday both accused Iran of test-firing the missile, with Israeli Prime Minister ‎Benjamin Netanyahu calling it a "flagrant violation of a U.N. Security Council resolution" and saying that "Iranian aggression must not go unanswered."

                Meanwhile, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said he was "aware that Iran fired that missile" and that the Trump administration was "looking into the exact nature of it."

                Iran was one of seven Muslim-majority countries whose citizens were subject to travel restrictions imposed by the Trump administration.
                That treaty are you talking about?

                This missile test does violate the UN resolution 223, that is why there is an emergency meeting.
                "The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do and what a man can’t do." Captain Jack Sparrow

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                • CWSmith
                  New Hampshire
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 43999

                  #9
                  Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

                  Originally posted by Ian McColgin
                  The test-fire poses a challenge for Trump's fledgling administration. During the campaign, he took several stances on the Iran nuclear deal signed by Barack Obama and other world powers in 2015, vowing to strictly police the agreement or renegotiate it entirely.
                  And there you have the reason for the test. Both Iran and North Korea have especially childish, but effective, ways of getting attention when they want it. By everything I have read, they have kept their agreement with the Obama treaty. Trump's insistence that it was a bad treaty and it would be renegotiated prompted this display. Predictable.
                  "Where you live in the world should not determine whether you live in the world." - Bono

                  "Live in such a way that you would not be ashamed to sell your parrot to the town gossip." - Will Rogers

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                  • Norman Bernstein
                    Liberaltarian
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 25217

                    #10
                    Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

                    Originally posted by delecta
                    Let them do what they want, stand back and watch. I doubt you could careless if they accomplish their desires.
                    Your doubts are seriously misplaced.

                    Originally posted by delecta
                    At some point in time we need to let the middle east figure it out. When it's all said and done and the out come threatens us then we can act accordingly.
                    So, you're telling us that if Iran starts a war in the Middle East, it has no effect on the security of the US, or US interests in the region, as long as they don't hit us?
                    "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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                    • Peerie Maa
                      Old Grey Inquisitive One
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 62422

                      #11
                      Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

                      Originally posted by Norman Bernstein
                      Your doubts are seriously misplaced.



                      So, you're telling us that if Iran starts a war in the Middle East, it has no effect on the security of the US, or US interests in the region, as long as they don't hit us?
                      well of course it doesn't. You will not accept refugees made homeless by any war, so what else is there to worry about.
                      It really is quite difficult to build an ugly wooden boat.

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                      • Norman Bernstein
                        Liberaltarian
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 25217

                        #12
                        Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

                        Originally posted by delecta
                        Trump is correct in that we need to have a proper vetting process in place...
                        How do you know that the current vetting process is inadequate? Because Trump says so, or have you spent the effort and time to find out for yourself?

                        Today's NYT has an extensive article about what that process is. You COULD read it, and THEN decide if you think it's inadequate....

                        ...but I doubt you will.
                        "Reason and facts are sacrificed to opinion and myth. Demonstrable falsehoods are circulated and recycled as fact. Narrow minded opinion refuses to be subjected to thought and analysis. Too many now subject events to a prefabricated set of interpretations, usually provided by a biased media source. The myth is more comfortable than the often difficult search for truth."






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                        • LeeG
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2002
                          • 72781

                          #13
                          Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

                          Originally posted by delecta
                          We financed this adventure, we all know what they want to accomplish, seems to me the powers to be wanted the same out come.

                          I just don't understand why they want what they want but we've done a darn good job of helping them. Perhaps the cash will buy the tech elsewhere and we can sleep at night.
                          ]
                          Again you are saying the technology for ballistic missiles must be an external resource that apparently only comes from Murica. As you can see Saudi Arabia has no problem buying ICBMs from China while many other nations have their own domestically designed and made systems.

                          Why would they want what they want? They're surrounded by countries with ICBM capabilities.

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                          • Ted Hoppe
                            Irritant, Level 2
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 21933

                            #14
                            Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

                            Originally posted by Peerie Maa
                            well of course it doesn't. You will not accept refugees made homeless by any war, so what else is there to worry about.
                            For the record - The United States don't even like or have respect our domestic homeless. Why should it be any different for ones outside the country?

                            Without friends none of this is possible.

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                            • TomF
                              Recalcitrant Heretic
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 50976

                              #15
                              Re: UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting over Iran missile test

                              I wonder if any of our Trumpish apologists have had it occur to them that the timing of Iran's test may have something to do with the Executive Order signed this week.

                              That perhaps, a different diplomatic activity by Trump might have prompted a different and less provocative Iranian result? And that perhaps senior officials at State might have been able to advise Trump of this, had they been consulted?

                              Migod.
                              If I use the word "God," I sure don't mean an old man in the sky who just loves the occasional goat sacrifice. - Anne Lamott

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