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genglandoh
12-30-2016, 07:34 PM
Obama has done the following since the election.
1. Shuts down the immigration registry program. (National Security Entry-Exit Registration System)
2. Stabs Israel in the back at the UN.
3. Gets into a hissy fit and kicks out Russian diplomats.
4. Bans oil drilling in large areas of Atlantic and Arctic oceans.
5. Creates 2 new nation monuments about 1.6 million acres of land.

CWSmith
12-30-2016, 07:38 PM
You call this screwing up? I think he's doing the right thing.

And referring to peaceful and appropriate retaliation for the Russians hacking our election as "a hissy fit" is beyond absurd.

TomF
12-30-2016, 07:39 PM
SCOTUS.

Nope, nobody has tried to screw anything up all year, right? Just working within historical precedent, as well as Constitutional authority.

Chip-skiff
12-30-2016, 07:42 PM
Obama Checklist:

—Concrete in the toilet tanks.

—M-80s down the drains.

—Itching powder on the linens.

—Release the trapped rats.

—Shut off the refrigerators a few days before the Occupation.

—Whoopee cushions on the chairs in the Oval Office.

Now, what else?

CWSmith
12-30-2016, 07:47 PM
Now, what else?

Loosen the door handles so they come off in your hand?

Remove all the T's from the keyboards.

Replace the coffee supply with decaf.

Release 100 gophers on the White House lawn.

Penny the Oval Office doors shut. (We used to do that in college!)

Cut the legs off the Oval Office desk.

Chip-skiff
12-30-2016, 07:48 PM
Cut the legs off the Oval Office desk.

That would be going too far. :D

Cuyahoga Chuck
12-30-2016, 07:54 PM
Obama has done the following since the election.
1. Shuts down the immigration registry program. (National Security Entry-Exit Registration System)
2. Stabs Israel in the back at the UN.
3. Gets into a hissy fit and kicks out Russian diplomats.
4. Bans oil drilling in large areas of Atlantic and Arctic oceans.
5. Creates 2 new nation monuments about 1.6 million acres of land.

You must have missed Kellyanne Conway's statement . She has recently said Obama is boxing Trump in. She meant it as a
criticism but it was a matter of absolute joy to the non-Trumpistas. The RWWs were constantly saying "Obama never does anything". Well he did something that hit Trump right between the eyes. Tweeting will not get Trump out of this box.
BTW, thanks for bringing this up.

Answers
1. Unconstitutional
2. Israel is an ally not the 51st state
3. Done deal. There's a legal block to any attempts at reversal.
4. Why do you hate national monuments?

ccmanuals
12-30-2016, 07:55 PM
Paint the oval office orange. Camouflaging

genglandoh
12-30-2016, 08:00 PM
You call this screwing up? I think he's doing the right thing.

And referring to peaceful and appropriate retaliation for the Russians hacking our election as "a hissy fit" is beyond absurd.

Yes a hissy fit.
The Russian have
1. Broken Nuclear Missile treaties
2. Invaded and annexed part of the Ukraine
3. Wiped out the US allies in Syria in Aleppo.
And Obama has basically done nothing.
But according to Obama the Russians went too far by releasing Dems emails showing how they rigged the nomination for Hillary.

The fact that these emails got Sanders supporters upset and not vote for Hillary is not the fault of the Russians but rather the Dems who rigged the nomination.

Jim Bow
12-30-2016, 08:10 PM
Yes a hissy fit.
The Russian have
1. Broken Nuclear Missile treaties
2. Invaded and annexed part of the Ukraine
3. Wiped out the US allies in Syria in Aleppo.
And Obama has basically done nothing.
But according to Obama the Russians went too far by releasing Dems emails showing how they rigged the nomination for Hillary.

The fact that these emails got Sanders supporters upset and not vote for Hillary is not the fault of the Russians but rather the Dems who rigged the nomination.

How many American lives should he have sacrificed? Iraq took 4000 troops, close to 90000 wounded and god knows how many suffering depression and PTSD. Not to even mention the hundreds of thousands of Iraqui lives lost.
How many to sacrifice in Syria would it take for you to say Obama had done enough?

Cuyahoga Chuck
12-30-2016, 08:19 PM
Yes a hissy fit.
The Russian have
1. Broken Nuclear Missile treaties
2. Invaded and annexed part of the Ukraine
3. Wiped out the US allies in Syria in Aleppo.
And Obama has basically done nothing.
But according to Obama the Russians went too far by releasing Dems emails showing how they rigged the nomination for Hillary.

The fact that these emails got Sanders supporters upset and not vote for Hillary is not the fault of the Russians but rather the Dems who rigged the nomination.

You set the agenda with your first 1,2,3s. Now that you are getting the pointy end of the stick you want different 1,2,3s.

Political parties are private institutions that can make their own rules. The members all know the rules.

Tom Montgomery
12-30-2016, 08:19 PM
Obama did not get the message that Russia is our new best friend.

LeeG
12-30-2016, 08:24 PM
Obama did not get the message that Russia is our new best friend.

When American banks couldn't provide credit to the problematic Trump Russian oligarchs did.

George Jung
12-30-2016, 08:34 PM
Ol' geng....he seems 'rejuvenated'... kinda like the star of 'The Mummy'...

*spoiler alert, geng.... that one doesn't end well...

skuthorp
12-30-2016, 08:48 PM
I am amazed at how 70 years of ''the red menace'' from the conservative side of politics can be forgotten in an instant because someone is questioning the legitimacy of their already elected candidate. An then there's all the other 'core values' that seem to have gone out the window in the hurry to get a ride on the Trump band wagon.
Trump is not a Republican candidate/President, he took the party over and they sold out for a mess of pottage. Trumps appointees are his appointees, not the Republican party's, and they will be loyal to him, being very rich men who do not need the salary, not the GOP. And given the performance so far the party will likely lick his boots for a sniff of the power.
I do not look forward to Donald's term in office.

Arizona Bay
12-30-2016, 08:55 PM
He's baaaaaaack...

... and now he's a Putin lover.


President O'Bama is trying to screw things down, before The Preditor and Cheif (Elect) gets his sticky little fingers on anything.

CWSmith
12-30-2016, 08:59 PM
President O'Bama is trying to screw things down, before The Preditor and Cheif (Elect) gets his sticky little fingers on anything.

Oh, that suggests all sorts of things that Obama can do in the White House before Trump takes over...

George Jung
12-30-2016, 09:07 PM
Smart money is on Biden heading up that lil' project.

LeeG
12-30-2016, 09:09 PM
Anyone else planning on screwing things up before the inauguration?

Donn
12-30-2016, 09:14 PM
I do not look forward to Donald's term in office.

Who gives a hoot? Mind your own knitting.

Arizona Bay
12-30-2016, 09:18 PM
I was thinking nationwide dumpster fires on the 20th, might be appropriate.


Biden, got it :D

I think Obama is working out all sorts of constitutional ways to inhibit the Preditor and Chief (elect)... the question is, will he be ruthless enough to carry them out?

TomF
12-30-2016, 09:19 PM
Who gives a hoot? Mind your own knitting.You really don't get it. Or really prefer to act foolish.

George Jung
12-30-2016, 09:20 PM
Hehehe... ol' Donn is chomping at the bit, wondering when his Eagle Scout 'O i& O' patch is gonna be approved, and sent out.

Chill, dude - The Committee is convinced - you're the 'real deal'! They're just collecting bellybutton lint so's they can knit yours up!

CWSmith
12-30-2016, 09:26 PM
I think Obama is working out all sorts of constitutional ways to inhibit the Preditor and Chief (elect)... the question is, will he be ruthless enough to carry them out?

The real question is whether Trump will so damage the GOP brand that his own party impeaches him? That's ruthless.

StevenBauer
12-30-2016, 09:35 PM
trump is doing a bang up job of screwing things up all by himself and he isn't even in office yet.

paulf
12-30-2016, 09:38 PM
I thick Obama should leave to Trump exactly what was left to Obama, and we should treat trump as Obama was treated, It Builds character!

What...we cant screw things up that bad??

Lets try anyway...

Mind your own knitting...hahaha, how quaint.

bobbys
12-30-2016, 10:58 PM
Obama has done the following since the election.
1. Shuts down the immigration registry program. (National Security Entry-Exit Registration System)
2. Stabs Israel in the back at the UN.
3. Gets into a hissy fit and kicks out Russian diplomats.
4. Bans oil drilling in large areas of Atlantic and Arctic oceans.
5. Creates 2 new nation monuments about 1.6 million acres of land.
.

Obama holds the power of the Presidency untill January 20. .

DT has to be quiet until then. .

Obama is sticking it to him and DT is taking notice.

After That DT will correct things.

You will watch our liberal s scream and howl and panic.

good times ..

BrianW
12-30-2016, 11:08 PM
You must have missed Kellyanne Conway's statement . She has recently said Obama is boxing Trump in. She meant it as a
criticism but it was a matter of absolute joy to the non-Trumpistas. The RWWs were constantly saying "Obama never does anything". Well he did something that hit Trump right between the eyes. Tweeting will not get Trump out of this box.
BTW, thanks for bringing this up.

Answers
1. Unconstitutional
2. Israel is an ally not the 51st state
3. Done deal. There's a legal block to any attempts at reversal.
4. Why do you hate national monuments?

There's always a way, if there's a will. ;)

Glen Longino
12-31-2016, 01:13 AM
[QUOTE=Donn;5110250]Who gives a hoot? Mind your own knitting.[/QUOTE

"Mind your own knitting."?

How roode! Sumbody get a ropp!

Chip-skiff
12-31-2016, 01:14 AM
After That DT will correct things.

You will watch our liberal s scream and howl and panic.

good times ..


A concerted resistance to an illegitimate, incompetent, and tyrannical regime is the opposite of "scream, howl, and panic."

We've got way more lawyers. You punk-arse bitches are going to be up to your sorry, thieving arses in alligators.

bobbys
12-31-2016, 01:45 AM
The screaming , howling, and panic has already set in and DT had not even entered public housing yet..

Libs are going to love the EX orders they endorsed with a passion..

I have to say I told Ya all so, Some day a republican will be in..

Ya gotta love the irony!

Glen Longino
12-31-2016, 02:56 AM
The screaming , howling, and panic has already set in and DT had not even entered public housing yet..

Libs are going to love the EX orders they endorsed with a passion..

I have to say I told Ya all so, Some day a republican will be in..

Ya gotta love the irony!

You would not recognize irony if it crawled up your leg and beat your left gronicle like a conga drum! I have to say I told Ya so!:D

Syed
12-31-2016, 08:31 AM
BTW Glen, how can you beat a pendulum like a drum?

C. Ross
12-31-2016, 09:10 AM
Yes a hissy fit.
The Russian have
1. Broken Nuclear Missile treaties
2. Invaded and annexed part of the Ukraine
3. Wiped out the US allies in Syria in Aleppo.
And Obama has basically done nothing.

Not "nothing" but let's assume you're right.

Mr. Trump says President Obama has been a terrible opponent of Russia all along, and instead he thinks we should have a warm, close relationship with Russia.

What should our policy be towards Russia? Should we confront them on broken missile treaties, Ukraine, and Syria? How does Mr. Trump's view of Putin as ally and friend help us accomplish this?

TomF
12-31-2016, 09:14 AM
Shouldn't pick on the less able, Cris. :)

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-31-2016, 10:27 AM
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Answers
1. Unconstitutional
2. Israel is an ally not the 51st state
3. Done deal. There's a legal block to any attempts at reversal.
4. Why do you hate national monuments?

Why would anyone think of Israel as an "ally"?

TomF
12-31-2016, 10:36 AM
Israel is a client, and a major recipient of American tax dollars.

SKIP KILPATRICK
12-31-2016, 10:39 AM
1) Do you think genglandoh will continue posting strange question threads in 2017?

2) Do you think genglandoh will ever stop hating the USA?

George Jung
12-31-2016, 10:59 AM
e Watching international politics played out in the media is awful. I'm not sure what to make of the latest from Mrs. May - apparently trying to position herself with Trump, but coming off ham-handed, IMO.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/world/europe/theresa-may-john-kerry-uk-israel.html?mabReward=A5&recp=4&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine&_r=0

With a Republican administration under Donald J. Trump only weeks away, Prime Minister Theresa May of Britain scolded Secretary of State John Kerry on Thursday night for his speech criticizing Israel (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/us/politics/john-kerry-israel-palestine-peace.html) — a public jab that would have been highly unlikely any other time during the Obama administration.
In a statement that echoed Mr. Trump’s fierce criticism of the Obama administration, Mrs. May chided Mr. Kerry for, among other things, describing the Israeli government as the “most right-wing in Israeli history, with an agenda driven by the most extreme elements.”


Mr. Kerry’s speech was praised by other European nations, including France and Germany. So the British slap — especially after Mrs. May’s government voted last week for a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning Israeli settlement construction — was something of a shock to Washington.
Continue reading the main stor (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/world/europe/theresa-may-john-kerry-uk-israel.html?mabReward=A5&recp=4&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine&_r=0#story-continues-1)
“We are surprised by the U.K. Prime Minister’s office statement,” the State Department said in a statement, noting that Mr. Kerry’s remarks “were in line with the U.K.’s own longstanding policy and its vote at the United Nations.”

In an election night diplomatic message about the Trump victory, leaked to The Sunday Times of London, Mr. Darroch discussed how the inexperienced Mr. Trump might be malleable to British advice and guidance.

C. Ross
12-31-2016, 11:00 AM
Why would anyone think of Israel as an "ally"?

In a recent poll, a slim majority of Britons agreed that Britain and Israel are allies, despite negative views about Israel.


According to a 2014 poll conducted by GlobeScan and the Program on International Policy Attitudes for the BBC World Service (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_Service), the British public views Israel overwhelmingly negatively, while Israelis view the UK positively: 72% of British people were reported as holding negative views towards Israel, with only 19% holding positive ones.[17] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#cite_note-2014bbcpoll-17) The same poll recorded that 50% of Israeli respondents viewed the UK favourably, with only 6% doing so negatively.[17] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#cite_note-2014bbcpoll-17)An October 2015 poll of the British public, commissioned by the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain_Israel_Communications_and_Research_Centre) and carried out by the British market research firm Populus (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populus_Ltd), indicated that 62% of Britons described themselves as viewing Israel negatively, while 19% said they were favourable to Israel.[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#cite_note-2015bicompoll-18) In the same poll 52% of respondents said they considered Israel "an ally of Britain",[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#cite_note-2015bicompoll-18) with 19% of respondents disagreeing with that description.[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#cite_note-2015bicompoll-18) Respondents were asked if they agreed with the statement: "I don't boycott goods or produce from Israel (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycotts_of_Israel) and find it difficult to understand why others would single out Israel to boycott given everything else that's going on around the world at the moment"—43% said they agreed while 12% said they disagreed.[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#cite_note-2015bicompoll-18) When asked if they would be more likely to boycott goods from Israeli settlements (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement) in the occupied territories (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories) than goods from Israel itself, 25% replied in the affirmative and 19% replied in the negative.[18] (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations#cite_note-2015bicompoll-18)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–United_Kingdom_relations

This is a complicated topic. Until Israel and Palestine resolve their issues and a two-state solution arrives, Israel will be criticized, largely because of the asymmetry in power between Israel and Palestine and Israel's aggressive approach to self-defense and retaliation for provocation. But Israel remains a democracy, a more open society than other nations in the region, and the homeland of a people persecuted brutally for millennia. Britain was instrumental in creating Palestine and then Israel, and bears both obligations and culpabilities to see things through to a peaceful solution. Someday.

George Jung
12-31-2016, 11:05 AM
My perspective has changed over the past several years, from apologist to questioning Israels stance. Haven't they, in essence, become the very domineering power that they previously were subservient to?

genglandoh
12-31-2016, 11:05 AM
Even CNN thinks that Obama is trying to screw things up for Trump.

Title: 9 last-minute Obama moves to stymie Trump's agenda
With the finish line in view, President Barack Obama is entering a sprint. He's scaled up his executive power moves in a bid to solidify some of his legacy items before Donald Trump takes office. Many of his actions won't be easily reversed. Here's a look at what Obama's done since Election Day, and what he's expected to do in the coming weeks.
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/30/politics/barack-obama-last-minute-final-actions-donald-trump/

TomF
12-31-2016, 11:09 AM
Sure. Understanding how that happened should prompt compassion. For Israel, for Palestine, and frankly, for the Germans and their predecessors. I don't know who actually got the ball rolling, but it was a whole lot more generations ago than a simple reading would suggest. Which is not to deny anyone's responsibility anywhere along that causal chain.

George Jung
12-31-2016, 11:14 AM
Undoubtedly. That the 'bullied' would become the 'bully' is predictable, and unfortunate.


Geng - what you don't 'see' (purposeful? Or just lack the ability?) is that 'screwing up Trump's agenda' is, for most of America, a simple protective move against a disaster.

C. Ross
12-31-2016, 11:16 AM
Sure. Understanding how that happened should prompt compassion. For Israel, for Palestine, and frankly, for the Germans and their predecessors. I don't know who actually got the ball rolling, but it was a whole lot more generations ago than a simple reading would suggest. Which is not to deny anyone's responsibility anywhere along that causal chain.

D'accord.

America's actions at the UN were completely in line with our long-term policy. Kerry's impassioned speech defending our actions was accurate and necessary.

Per the original post, "Stabbed in the back"? I believe Israel deserves our support, but that's completely ridiculous.

P.I. Stazzer-Newt
12-31-2016, 11:19 AM
Again, why would anyone see Israel as an "ally".

Against what exactly?

Dan McCosh
12-31-2016, 11:20 AM
I think Trump is trying to screw things up before he takes office. Starting with telling the former head of the KGB that the CIA doesn't know what it is doing. Appointing a landholder in an Israeli settlement as ambassador to Israel, etc.

C. Ross
12-31-2016, 11:36 AM
Again, why would anyone see Israel as an "ally".

Against what exactly?

Oh, ally as in allies in a war? I wouldn't have thought of that meaning first, but it's a fair point. And no, of course that doesn't make sense with respect to Israel.

I think "ally" as in "Shared interests, values, history and objectives. Where we are peaceful and collaborative and pursue interests together, and agree to disagree when necessary." I think most countries in the world as allies of the US. I do not see the US as an ally with places like North Korea, Iran, Yemen, Syria and at this time, Russia. Not being allies doesn't necessarily mean being enemies. But I don't see how we can be allies with autocratic countries.

(I wonder which meaning Britons thought was being used in the poll?)

LeeG
12-31-2016, 01:46 PM
BTW Glen, how can you beat a pendulum like a drum?

Timing

Cuyahoga Chuck
12-31-2016, 09:51 PM
[QUOTE=P.I. Stazzer-Newt;5110615]Why would anyone think of Israel as an "ally"?[/QU

Politically they are a basket case, but, militarily they are first class. Good at weapons research and good at intell gathering. Things didn't go to hell until Bibi Netanyahu decided he had to be a second Ben Gurion.

Cuyahoga Chuck
12-31-2016, 10:08 PM
Even CNN thinks that Obama is trying to screw things up for Trump.

Title: 9 last-minute Obama moves to stymie Trump's agenda
With the finish line in view, President Barack Obama is entering a sprint. He's scaled up his executive power moves in a bid to solidify some of his legacy items before Donald Trump takes office. Many of his actions won't be easily reversed. Here's a look at what Obama's done since Election Day, and what he's expected to do in the coming weeks.
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/30/politics/barack-obama-last-minute-final-actions-donald-trump/

Obama has shown he is a first water intelligence and does not suffer from psychotic ticks and neurosis like you know who.
Also Obama is a much younger man, more viral and athletic with much larger hands.
Also Obama is much more comfortable with himself. He does not color his hair or wear makeup.

genglandoh
01-17-2017, 05:28 PM
Title: Obama cuts sentences of hundreds of drug offenders
The move brings Obama well beyond his most recent predecessors, who used their commutation powers more sparingly. He's now reduced sentences for 1,385 individuals, the vast majority of whom are serving time for crimes related to distribution or production of narcotics.
link: http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?217155-Do-you-think-Obama-is-trying-to-screw-things-up-before-Trump-takes-office&highlight=

ccmanuals
01-17-2017, 08:03 PM
I hear they are removing all the "T's" from the White House computer software so everything comes out "rump."

George Jung
01-17-2017, 08:41 PM
That Joe!